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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,461 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They're the choice of the largest amount of voters and if polls are to be believed there doesn't seem to be the much vaunted around here, 'ceiling' on their vote.

    You may want to take that on board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    A combination of a vacant property tax and a higher LPT on taxpayers with 2+ properties would reduce property hoarding. Carve out an exemption for rental properties within RPZs to prevent the reduction of rental stock in cities.

    Restrict AirBnB rentals so that only vacant rooms can be rented out, rather than the full property. There are many things that could be done if the political will was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,550 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Hang on now a minute Ireland never united the garden in the first place. It was only the UK who ever succeeded in Uniting Ireland So the back garden analogy does not even wash. Ireland was a mix of clans and tribes. With at various times high Kings who were not officially recognised. The back garden analogy is just a myth.

    The reality is historically and in popular culture even people in NI who claim to be Irish citizens are entwined in British culture and language and so on. It is not as simple as the back garden analogy, The fact is military Ireland were not strong enough to have a UI on their own. Much like Brian Boru only got so far about 900 years previously when the island of Ireland was a hotchpotch of clans and all sorts. Countries are created historically by war and conquest that is just the way of the world.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,714 ✭✭✭francois


    Oh goody another tedious SF thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,018 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I wonder how many of the people who voted SF in the last election or who plan on voting for them in the next election have studied their policies.

    I reckon a lot of them just want to give FF/FG a kicking which is fair enough but we don't want to put a party in power who's policies will make things worse and I've not seen or heard anything so far from SF to convince me they have any real plan to turn things around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    What are FF or FG doing to stop people voting SF? Let's face it the only reason why SF are popular is due to the way FF and FG have behaved in government the last number if years. They have turned people against them and to SF because of the policies they have pursued. It is their own fault and have taken no steps to change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,086 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I find SF'S guff about the housing 'crisis' tiring.

    Every day their members/politicians are out objecting to new housing up and down the country.

    Total hypocrites.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In effect, real democracy has ceased to exist in this country.

    FF / FG are two sides of the same coin; both of which lead us down the same path, but criticise each other in a family-like way. When we vote one side of this same family out, the other side gets in. It's like voting out chlamydia in favour of syphilis - with no option to remove either.

    Sinn Fein will never get power because they are simply unelectable - no capability, terrorist sympathisers, and even worse than the two above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Bad news for you - the health service is in large part a shambles because it is run for the benefit of the staff, not the patients. This is a fact, and honest people in the health service will tell you this.

    Unfortunately, SF will not be able to change this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    They are used on 'ordinary' people all the time in the EU.

    There is no suggestion that they will be used on 'ordinary' people here, and there never has been since they were established.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,529 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    So Health Service is terrible because of the unions.

    Lenient sentencing in court is the Judges fault.

    Disorder on street, lazy Gards.

    Housing situation untenable down to the landlords.


    You'd have to wonder if there was some kind of body which could govern all these things, rather than leaving it to all these parties. We could call it a government.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Why not?

    Or is it possible that they investigated implementing these (easy vote winners) and were told it was not practical/legal/ or was prohibitively expensive?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    To answer the OP's question - yes SF are every bit as bad as we think, and probably a bit worse than that tbh.

    However I'm coming to terms with the fact that in the next 10-15 years there will be some sort of reckoning, likely through a SF-led coalition of some sorts (most likely with FF, no matter how much the supporters on either side kick and scream about it).

    There hasn't been a single party, majority government in Ireland at this point since the 1970s, and with the way the polling is still split between the three main parties and... others (some fly-by-night, others more permanent) it's not likely to happen anytime soon either. So what SF are going to have to learn is how to compromise (I think someone said this earlier too). I don't think the majority of people have factored this in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Uh...there's no such thing as 'land property tax' so not sure what you are interchanging with what tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Again, the idea that silence cannot be construed as evidence of guilt is a peculiarity of the Anglo-Saxon legal system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    The tax I was referring to is known as local property tax here in Ireland, whereas similar tax provisions are described as land property taxes in other countries. We use the terms interchangeably, like corporate/corporation tax. I should have explained that in more detail, I sometimes forget that even the most basic concepts can fly over of the head of certain individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    You're probably too young to remember the visceral horror of them blowing up children in the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,461 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd imagine it would be around the same amount who vote everytime without looking at or knowing policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭FullyComp


    Sounds like you need a new job mate, seriously underpaid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Of course it's possible, but is it likely? No. It's interesting that you would classify such measures as "easy vote winners". Vote winners for whom? FG?

    Why would supporters of the "landlord party" welcome measures that restrict the income of landlords? As noted by Varadkar's most recent freudian slip, "we need to balance that one person's rent is another person's income".

    https://www.thejournal.ie/rent-dail-varadkar-o-broin-5554348-Sep2021/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Which IRA that killed Gardai does Fine Gael celebrate?

    What rot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    They are worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Are you possibly confusing the term 'commemorate', where we remember a tragedy? Versus 'celebrate', where Sinn Fein members cheer and applaud for people who caused a tragedy (like murdering gardai)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Gonna be honest, I'm not sure what other countries use.

    My take on the SCC is that it's a convenient way for the State and Gardai to secure a conviction against someone they don't have sufficient evidence to convict in a normal court. Any court that takes testimony from a Garda as admissible evidence is dangerous. The Gardai have stumbled from one controversy to another over the past 5 years.

    From a case earlier this year: "The non-jury court today found that Garda Assistant Commissioner Michael O'Sullivan, who gave evidence of his belief that Michael Connolly (47) was an IRA member, had made "an unqualified assertion" during the trial that none of the material he viewed that formed the basis of his belief was in the Book of Evidence against the accused man.

    The Special Criminal Court described this assertion as "seriously incomplete and misleading"."

    There's no reason why criminals and gangs can't be tried in the regular court system. People cite intimidation as a reason for retaining the court, but there was never any evidence of intimidation in the first place. Even in the 1980's Mary Robinson tried to abolish the court as there was no evidence that the court was maintaining impartiality and reports the Gardai were denying defendants due process. And then you have all the irregularities, like Slab Murphy being tried in the SCC for tax evasion...


    Anyways, way off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    So you think that SF are going to be the people to drive through reforms in the health service that put patients ahead of unions?

    I would LOVE if you were correct. Love it. I think we are both going to be disappointed though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,550 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Exactly and with Labour imploding/splintering and loads of independents - and yahoo type parties like PBP. There is not likely to be a real credible third party that can take votes from the middle ground for decades.

    The only good thing about Irish politics is that there is no real extreme right or left that gets the numbers, like many other European countries have. That would be disastrous. It is solid stable governance is what I would call it - nothing outlandish.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway



    Which jurisdictions have a 'land property tax'? I can't seem to find any. 'Land property' is tautological, sounding pretty idiotic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Wait until you find out how much the accountants earn... *shudders*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Oh look, FG plan to introduce this next year when they are leading the government. Good to know that they have some policies you like anyway.

    "Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe has said that a tax on vacant homes will not “change the game” in solving the housing crisis.

    This is despite Fine Gael party leader Leo Varadkar backing the tax previously, telling his parliamentary party earlier this summer that there is a need to introduce the tax alongside other measures.

    The Government plans to introduce a vacant homes tax next year in a bid to free up more properties and increase the supply of housing as part of the multi-billion Housing for All plan."

    https://www.independent.ie/news/paschal-donohoe-says-vacant-homes-tax-will-not-change-the-game-in-solving-housing-crisis-despite-leo-varadkar-backing-40869580.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,529 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Who knows, but surely the government are ultimately the ones who should be responsible for sorting the health service, law and order, housing etc.

    Not just to say it's too hard and shrug their shoulders, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. If indeed it is up to the government then the blame for inaction lies squarely at FF/FG feet. Otherwise what exactly is the point of having a government If everyone else decides what does or doesn't happen?

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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