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Sourdough Starters.

  • 26-11-2021 12:13PM
    #1
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I've just started a spelt sourdough starter.

    Will I be able to use it with other flours (just got my 16kg, strong white flour 😀). Can I use it with combo mixes like 80% white, 20% wholemeal and the likes?

    I started a spelt starter because, apparently, it's one of the easier flours to "get going"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Yes. The natural yeast in the starter is just feeding off the flour and water. So like dried yeast you can use it with any flour combinations.

    Good luck with your new baby. 😋



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Well......I mucked up the starter big time. Didn't feed it for two or more days. Wasn't sure what to do really so just started again a few minutes ago. Fresh mix. Will feed it this time tomorrow and for the next few days to get it going.


    🤦‍♂️🤦🤦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    I’ve never started a starter but you probably would have been fine. They are very forgiving. If it smells like vinegar, you’re doing something right. 😋



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Yeah.....that smell alright. I added 50/50 water flour last night when I realised my error. This morning, not mush difference....it's bubbling slightly but just thought I'd start from fresh.

    You can't beat a few mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭Swampy


    Keep it somewhere warm.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    This is not working!!!!


    Third attempt. I think ambient house temperature is where it's at. Too cold over the last week or so. So......I've dug out my seed propagation heat mat. Third attempt was sat on this but.........it got up to 33/34c. Too hot. Slid a couple of layers of cardboard under the Kilner jar bringing the temp down to around 22/23c atm. Ideal I would have thought. This was last night.

    Hoping now that this'll kick off. I don't mind doing a 4th at this stage 'cos I'll crack it eventually and learning all along.


    The Kilner jar and contents were almost getting flung down the garden last week 😀 but I've learned patience now.....O Glasshopper 🧘‍♀️


    (Almost got going on 2nd attempt.....but then sat down and ceased)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Where do you live PX?

    You’re welcome to have some of mine. I inherited some about 5 years ago, still going strong. I believe it came from a bakery in Raheny so it could be 10 years +



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Thanks so much but I'm going to persevere. I'm learning about it. Plenty of mistakes good for the soul 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭Swampy


    I heard of a trick of a couple of drops of honey in the starter to give it a bit more food.

    It took mine a week at least to start growing in any way significantly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭.red.


    Sorry to revive an old thread but.....didn't see the need for a new one.

    I'm considering trying to get a sourdough starter going.

    Any recommendations on a flour to begin with that might be easy to get going, preferably something handy to get from a Dunnes or Tesco.

    I have an Aldi course wholewheat flour but I'm thinking something more fine would be best.

    Also, what size kilner jar is best? Home store seem to have them from 0.5L to 3L.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I used to do half white half wholemeal. There is a good video on Youtube I will try to find it.

    edit- I think plain whilte flour is the easiest type to use for a mother and probably a bit quicker to prove.

    Post edited by Bogey Lowenstein on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭M00lers


    I'd grab some some organic white and some organic rye flour, should have a healthy starter in a few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,695 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I haven't made sourdough in years but Jamie Oliver always recommended organic, unbleached flour. I guess the thinking is it's more likely to still have some "life" in it, for want of a better word. Also, if you're in Dublin, Tang on Cumberland place have a selection of jars they give away for free, you might be able to pick something suitable up there if it was handy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,146 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    If you call into a local bakery near you that sells sourdough, they will probably sell or just give you some of their starter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭.red.


    I was gonna do that but then decided I'd rather start it myself. If it takes a few goes thru trial and error, then so be it. I'm in no rush anyway, I've a block of fresh yeast in the fridge and a pack of instant yeast in the cupboard.

    I tried it with the course wholemeal flour but I blended it for 20/30 seconds in case it was too course(that made sense in my head)

    After 2 days it looked awful, definitely not anything like I've seen in any pics or videos. Maybe it was just the colour from the brown flour but there was no bubbles and surely it should have started with the heat over the last few days. That got binned and I've just done another with a strong bread flower. Maybe it'll be second time lucky. Fingers crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,695 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Barney Desmazery is the BBC's resident sourdough maven and he says it can take up to six days for the starter to ferment, so I wouldn't have been chucking it after only two unless it smelled actively bad (and not just "strong", which is perfectly normal).

    Anyway, there's a good quide for beginners here - How to make sourdough | Good Food



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I've had spurts of doing starters using various methods for many years - most prevalently during lockdown. I'm on a lull now as I've a brilliant bakery about 2 minutes walk away and laziness has kicked in. I'll add a few of my observations.

    Almost any flour will do, though some are better than others. Rye flour tends to work best, and is probably best for getting a good sour taste. I did use spelt about 10 years ago for a starter and I seem to remember it working quite well. Over the past couple of years I've just used coarse ground wholemeal, generally from Aldi, though occasionally will use strong white bread flour (also Aldi). The wholemeal seems to work a bit better, but it's one drawback is that for pizza making (if that's a consideration) the bits in it can tear the dough. I'll usually feed up a mainly white flour batch for this for a day or two, but if not an issue then that's easy!

    So this is what I'd do from scratch with everything measured in grams, and 100% hydration (i.e., 1g water for every 1g flour)

    Day 1: Mix of 50g each flour/water in a covered jar where air (but not flies) can get in

    Days 2-n: Retain 30g of previous, and add 30g each flour/water (total 90g)

    Day n+1: Start baking!

    n I find to be about 5 days, your milage might vary, but get it to the stage where it's nice and bubbly. Only keeping a small bit back each day reduces the amount discarded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭.red.


    Cheers lads,

    My original one looked like something a dog might bring up( due to the brown flour).

    The second batch has a new j-cloth over the top, secured with an elastic band so I'll leave that be for a few days and see how it goes.

    I checked Dunnes today for a rye flour but they had none so I went for the strong bread flour.

    Its mainly for pizzas but I also wanna try a bit of bread with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭M00lers


    Give it 2 weeks before you even judge, 2 days is not enough. Obviously refeed every day for those few weeks.



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