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Santy get a boyfriend...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    so an individual fictional character must be represented as being of different sexual persuasions ?

    that is a must ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    nice strawman.

    don't think jim said 'must" but at the same time, just because a fictional character has historically been represented a certain way, doesn't mean it has to always be represented that way.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know why they have to bring Santa's sexual preferences into it. If he was into Brazilian fart fetish or Japanese schoolgirls would that be also accepted under the guise of "love is love"? Leave the whole thing out of it if you ask me. Keep it simple for kids. God knows they have enough to be dealing with in this awful modern world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    good parents lie to their kids about tonnes of things , its how you shield them from the unpleasantness of the world , not my job to tell someone how to raise their kids but telling kids Santa isnt real in the name of being true to the truth is just an intellectual vanity project in my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    of course but changing his sexuality is a pretty radical change in terms of representation , its not like changing him from fat to more trim looking



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I am a bit icky about men kissing. I find it gross. Is that homophobic? I find plenty of things equally stomach churning such as fat ugly people kissing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    What does your personal preference have to do with it? Some people like stuff, others don't. No choice is going to be acceptable to everyone. If you don't like Santa kissing a dude, don't watch the ad. The ad is there for people who do want to see that. You are only seeing this ad because it was posted on boards in some fashion of vaguely moral outrage.

    Should fat people not be shown kissing because some people don't like it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The issue isn’t whether it’s homophobic or not. I’ve no idea about your motivations, not do I care. The thing I’m highlighting is people pretending that their true concern is kids or the preservation of sacred cultural icons when it really isn’t. They’ve ended up in a really bizarre position as a result of their mental gymnastics.

    The “I’ve no problem with men kissing, but children shouldn’t be exposed to it and have their innocent shattered and Santa debased and sexualised and this agenda shoved down our throats and a million years of heterosexual Santa Claus complete erased in one fell swoop by this agenda-driven act that I’m of course not repulsed by in any way, but, you know, it’s the kids I’m concerned about.” people.

    Just a little honesty would go a long way. Or a little self-awareness.

    You find certain people kissing to be icky, then fine. But I assume you don’t think that such kisses shouldn’t be represented just because you find them icky?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    It's hilarious. A Norwegian TV ad of all things. A country they probably couldn't point out on a map, let alone care about on a daily basis. But that's what happens when you' desperately scour the internet looking for things that are apparently being "shoved down their throat" to fill their minds with and flag to everyone.

    I will just say - as confusing as this ad is from the narrative point of view (i.e. we know he has a wife) - as a gay person growing up it might have helped with my self-esteem in a small but meaningful way to see a same-sex couple depicted innocuously in a TV ad (it certainly didn't happen when I was growing up). For all the usual suspects coming out with slimy opportunistic moral panic rubbish about robbing children of their innocence - have you ever considered that a child might wonder about their own feelings and feel reassured to think they're not freaks? That they shouldn't hide themselves away or feel like they are saddled with something too revolting to appear on TV (amid the thousands of ads featuring straight relationships)? That their mere existence isn't some sort of political statement?

    I suppose that might involve putting themselves in someone else's shoes for once, which is very much beyond the pale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    Anybody who thinks that advertising companies, of all people, are now doing this seemingly altruistic advertising in order to be more 'tolerant' and 'inclusive' to those in a minority group, don't know the realms of the advertising world. These people are scum, absolute scum. They feed off scandal, notoriety and conflict. All in order to make a name for themselves, and ultimately more greasy money.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    no one believes that ad companies are altruistic.

    the reason they promote tolerant messages etc is because they've done the math and being more inclusive, or woke as the edgelords like to continually say, makes them more money than being regressive and exclusionary. Simple economics.

    face it lads, you're on the wrong side of history and you're seething inside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    No, they do it to generate more clicks and more talk, which is exactly what is happening here. That is the math that they ultimately want, it has nothing to do with inclusivity. They use people to generate notoriety, and in this case they are using members of the Gay community to generate notoriety. They don't care about anybody save only their own and potential shareholders. Members of the actual Gay and Lesbian community have cottoned on to this a long time ago. I know that they have because I have friends within that community. This sort of disingenuous propaganda does the genuine community no service whatsoever. But the advertising companies know this, and they also don't care. Sorry now, but I'm not 'seething' about it whatsoever. I just know how these shysters work because I used to work in that $hitpile myself for a while, until I got sense.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    i just said that the reason they're being more inclusive is because it makes them more money than being exclusionary. thats it.



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    Twisted!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    \

    im friends with a gay guy and two of my overseas cousins are gay , I still dont like seeing men kiss , doesnt mean I wish gays any harm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    But that is exactly it, it suits them to appear 'inclusive' in order to make more money. They don't give a rats arse about actually being inclusive or helping anybody in the fake vein they throw out with these things. And everybody knows it, so ergo, it ends up causing more division and ultimate damage.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    you think when they portray straight santa, they are actually 'caring" but not when they portray gay santa? thats just for money. I guess you could say they`re "gay for pay" lol

    quick, take another hit of copium



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    No, I didn't say that. They use both portrayals to make money. Just like they don't believe in 'Santa', they don't actually believe in 'inclusivity' either, but they will disgracefully use these two things in order to ultimately make more money for themselves. Its the usury I have a problem with, not anything else.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    the corporations cottoned on to the fact a long time ago that gestures like this make modern leftists feel like they are striking a blow as much as the men and women of old who downed tools and took to the streets in demand of better working conditions

    modern leftists are cheap dates



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    i'm just thankful that you were able to lift the veil of secrecy surrounding advertising.

    in other news, water is wet.

    welcome to capitalism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    it makes them more money cause these positions have popular support and yours don't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    I'm lifting no veil. In the actual world, the vast majority knows their disingenuity.

    Hence, the reason nobody watches them anymore.

    Hence, the reason for ridiculous stunts.

    No Need to welcome me to capitalism, as I said, I left that $hitpile a long long time ago

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Im not so sure , Corporations make gestures towards various fringe minority issues like " trans " etc , it keeps a noisy minority of left wing activists happy but ultimately free market capitalism is very safe , its a distraction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    "Hence, the reason nobody watches them anymore."

    except some outraged, triggered conservative types it seems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah, and that's exactly what they want. And this is what is happening. You are proving my point and you aren't even aware of the fact Star.

    This is the bamboozlement and Division they generate and feed off, all in order to make more money, not more inclusivity.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    i get it, they advertise or promote stuff that makes them money.

    the reason it does make them money is because the inclusive messages, whether genuine or not on the corporations part, resonates with the majority of regular people.

    if it didn't, those same corpos would be advertising to a different demographic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    Well if they suddenly have discovered the way to making money is by being 'inclusive' then why don't they make some other advertising propaganda that would be actually inclusive? How about making adverts that would help the homeless? The poor? Maybe an advert that would tax the multi-trillion corporations that pay little to no income tax? That sort of advertising would hugely resonate with 'regular people' wouldn't it? It definitely would with me and everyone I know in the real world, so why do they not tap into that realm of inclusivity? A real world of inclusivity that would benefit all.

    Don't bother answering if you don't want to, because I know the reason anyways, and so do you.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Starfire20


    you seem to be falling into the same old tired rhetoric I hear from a lot of right wingers.

    "how dare you care about x cause while y exists"

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