"Green" policies are destroying this country

What are the waste products from burning hydrogen?

I know him from old. Maybe not so much pushing a united Ireland, but for the rest it`s entirely possible. Especially if there is a blue tinge to the policy

I wonder if there is any process where we can create hydrogen and the exact right amount of oxygen required to combust that hydrogen at the same time.......

6 times the Nox of Methane, isn't it ?

More nox than diesel does now?

So you're shifting the goalposts then. Yes it takes energy, but the point of offshore wind, is that it has a very low marginal cost, and is zero emissions at the point of generation, so even if the end to end efficiency is 50%, its still worth doing

We already store lots of explosive chemicals and transport them routinely with very few explosions, and compared to the danger associated with fossil fuel production, have you not seen the danger from offshore oil and gas explosions, and the environmental devastation caused by oil leaks to vast areas of our natural environment?

You said there is an oxygen shortage due to covid, producing hydrogen from H20 creates pure oxygen as part of the reaction so there is no net increase in the demand for oxygen even if all of the green hydrogen was being burned in a electricity generating facility, or in an industrial plant for thermal processes, which can be configured to burn the hydrogen in a pure oxygen environment

Not all the green hydrogen would be intended to be burned, it could also be used in Hydrogen fuel cells which have no NOX emissions

Grid level fuel cells are existing technology which can be rolled out as the price and availability of Hydrogen falls, these do not need pure oxygen as they can take ambient air for their reactions

And there are options for transporting Hydrogen in more stable forms, as was mentioned in this thread already, Hydrogen can be combined with Nitrogen to make Ammonia, and this can be liquified and transported and stored much easier than liquid hydrogen

We already transport volatile and dangerous chemicals vast distances, process them in filthy refineries and ship them all around the world to use in power generation and industry. You need to make an argument that green hydrogen is more dangerous, more polluting, and more process intensive than the end to end fossil fuel process instead of just throwing out objections, and then moving on to another one whenever the old one is addressed.

Oh not that acid rain BS again. I remember reading about how the Black Forrest in Germany would have ceased to exist by now due to acid rain.

"Remember the big “acid rain” scare during the 1970s and 1980s attributing damage to lakes and forests to emissions from Midwestern utilities? If so, did you ever hear the results of a more than half-billion-dollar, 10-year-long national Acid Precipitation Assessment Program study that was initiated in 1980 to research the matter?

Probably not.

As it turned out, those widespread fears proved to be largely unfounded, since only one species of tree at a high elevation suffered any notable effect, and acidity in lakes was traced to natural causes. The investigating scientists reported that they had “turned up no smoking gun; that the problem is far more complicated than it been thought; that other factors combine to harm trees; and that sorting out the cause-and-effect was difficult and in some cases impossible.”https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/11/remember-the-acid-rain-scare-global-warming-hysteria-is-pouring-down/?sh=763656de53fc

Most pollution alarmism is hype. I also remember the melt downs in the media every time there was a major oil spill. Eco systems ruined for all eternity - except they weren't, because it turns out that bacteria love oil for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and the negative impact on ecosystems termed out to be transitory. I'm not in favour of oil spills in the slightest, they are bad and to be avoided at all costs, but I am in favour of the truth over scare mongering, such as with AGW.

I am advocating using Hydrogen generated using wind turbines as a store of energy, It can either be burned to turn a turbine, or used to generate electricity in a fuel cell. BOTH of those can be done without creating any NOX emissions

You said pure oxygen is scarce, you have ignored the fact that creating the hydrogen will create as much hydrogen as they need to burn that hydrogen in a pure oxygen environment.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876610212014233

There is no technological barrier to creating clean energy from Green Hydrogen. It just requires the investment

Fuel cells don't need pure oxygen to work, and fuel cells do not produce NOX when the oxygen is supplied directly from the atmosphere

You have no concept of money. You're only comparing one side of the balance sheet. A 21st century grid will be cheaper than the 20th century one we're trying to move away from

But even if it was more expensive, the environmental cost of climate change would justify spending a lot more money on sustainable energy to avoid the worst impacts of climate change

They turn them to run free when the winds are too high, they'll eat the transmission ,big mess

That will likely be the comment they hang you on.

Savaged is the word! You can even hear it in her voice that she is unsure of what she is saying.