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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Its the kind of casual racism that's always been a part of society, but that's now mainstream again due to the rise of Trumpism. And it's saddening and worrying that people actually freely vote for people like that. Makes you wonder where things are headed in the States over the next few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,373 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You can see that if people who don't have an ability for critical thinking *only* listen to her and cawthorn and Jordan and gaetz, then listen to Hannity and carlson who back them up, fall down that rabbit hole and believe that Biden has a body double, the democrats are socialists, the presidency is fake etc. etc.


    Such people here, when presented with facts, go away, watch that bs which reinforces their belief, and come back again with more bs.


    It happens time and again. They can't break out of the cycle. They'll lose friends and family and keep going.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,562 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    All you claim was anecdotal, personal opinion. Loaded with conspiracies also found in the Trump Big Lie. Not different from the claims of the Pillow guy. Similar to the unsubstantiated and spurious talking points found in Fox and Friends. Absolutely no empirical, objective evidence to back up your claims. That's a BIG ZERO EVIDENCE for the BIG LIE. No evidence in over 60 cases presented by Trump lawyers, or Trump supporter lawyers, in state, federal, or US Supreme Court to support the claims in Trump's Big Lie. If you got any objective evidence, why don't you post it here, with citations for checking. But you will not. Because it does not exist.

    Anyone for Trump Kool Aid? "Once upon a time" may it have been served at Trump University?

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    What in the world are you talking about? Evidence to what that I commented on that you quoted?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You have never provided any empirical evidence to any of your claims



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,281 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    While he has an interesting turn of phrase for a lawyer , it's hard to disagree with the overall points he's making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,281 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it certainly isn't. doesn't make them an less guilty mind.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Absolutely , Stupidity isn't a defence but more of this might go some way to breaking the connection between Trump and his "base".

    Probably not though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,281 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    that was require rational decision making on the part of trump supporters so I'm sure you can see what that is unlikely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    In uninspiring news, Mitt's niece, head of the RNC, said that the #2xIMPOTUS lost.





  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yeah , but she also said that they still needed to "talk about 2020" , so it's a mealy mouthed attempt and playing both sides.

    Moving on without really moving on . Or more likely trying to move on without offending the brittle Trump ego.

    Pathetic really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Where I think America goes from here is that sooner or later freedom of speech is severely clamped down upon. The problem that western democracies face right now is freedom of thought and expression in a time where the Internet has made it so easy for disinformation to be rapidly spread. Where, in fact, there is a real business model to be built upon funnelling individuals or groups of people into their own customised version of reality. And this poses a real problem: how do you maintain a stable democracy where commonly held values and beliefs become endangered and people become very divided and lose interest in cooperation with their perceived enemies?

    The Chinese approach has been to tightly lock the Internet down and generally come down like a tonne of bricks on those who speak out against the government, but is that a book we want to take a leaf out of?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,562 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    notobtuse quote: "The main goal of the recounts and investigations was to get legislation enacted so that the illegal and wretched actions taken in the 2020 election, making the election rife for abuses, doesn't happen again."

    Rather than your anecdotal, personal opinion, do you have any objective, empirical evidence to substantiate your claims that "illegal and wretched actions taken in the 2020 election, making the election rife with abuses" in fact occurred in all, several, or even one of the several states that made Biden president per the US House and US Senate confirmation 6 January 2021, as chaired by (Republican) Vice President Pence? These election abuse claims can be found in the contents of Trump's frequently repeated BIG LIE. Please provide links to your unbiased objective evidence so that the rest of us can learn from your claims, or find them misleading or spurious.

    Your objective evidence with links might help us address the OP question: "What does the future hold for Donald Trump?"

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,562 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    notobtuse quote: "He'll continue to be a force in politics into the 2024 election and beyond because the media can't help themselves when it comes to their boogeyman."

    Have you read Trump's The Art of the Deal? I have. Other than finding the ghost written book of poor quality, there were 2 pages of interest. He shows how to manipulate the news media (he calls it the "press") to his advantage by saying "sensationalist" things, and making "outrageous" claims to draw the news media to him, and showcase such things and claims. It is suggested in Trump's book that doing this benefits both him and the news media in terms of keeping him in the public eye for better chances of deal making, while improving news media ratings. A win-win for both.

    Trump continued to say "sensationalist" things, and make "outrageous" claims that drew the news media as predicted in his book during the 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns. The difference being exchanging a business audience for a political audience. And for the "future hold for Donald Trump"? Trump will continue with this news media attraction device until 2024, while not bothering to mention his Deal book quotes, but rather playing the victim of the news media and his "outrageous" claim that they are ruled by the opposing Democratic party.

    As to your "boogeyman" spin, did you get that from Fox and Friends or Breitbart News talking points? It's been claimed by their spokespersons many times in the past years.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Must be your first time dealing with said poster, they won't answer direct challenges to their claims with any cogent rebuttal, or they'll take a break from the forum and return with complete amnesia to those previous challenges



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    As duploelabs said, save yourself the time, effort and inevitable heartache. notobtuse is coming from a very dark and deluded place - plus, they don't actually engage. They just post unsubstantiated nonsense and then take a little break. So its best not to engage.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,562 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Understood. But there are other viewers of this thread per boards logs. Occasionally new. Or from outside membership. A lot more viewers than posters. It needs to be discussed for their benefit. Otherwise it just hangs there. To challenge a talking point made by past, present, and "future hold for Donald Trump," and his adoring followers, including BIG LIE supporting Fox and Friends. Plus, once in awhile a reporter for the Irish Times may be looking for material to report. Maybe to make a crazy deadline. And our future Trump discussions in this thread may draw their attention, because we make it easier to gather thoughts. I recall it being mentioned in past years that boards has been quoted or paraphrased by news media. It may not happen with this thread, but who knows?

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I have done so several times. I don't think I need to repeat myself over and over again. Just look back at my prior postings.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Hmmm... and here I thought boogeyman was my own original take on how the mainstream media views him.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Honestly, the majority of your claims in recent times wouldn't have been out of place in the conspiracies forum...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    You have never provided any evidence that stood up to any level of scrutiny.

    People keep assuming that each time your ideas are debunked that it will show you the paucity of your position.

    But instead you simply ignore it, wait a while, then repost another diatribe of already debunked nonsense.

    If you had this great evidence you would have no problem showing everyone. You constantly post about how much a failure Biden is so having to post is not an issue.

    But like himself, you simply spout some nonsense and then claim 'everyone knows it's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    All the things and source documents I provided stood up to the best of scrutiny. You just didn't like it. And there is nothing I can do about that.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So you have proven it, yet Trump has been unable to?

    What are you doing wasting your time here, you should be at Mar o Lago leading the fightback.

    Stood up? Jesus wept. You haven't a shred of evidence, you have nothing but conspiracy theories and cries of deep state and democratic party secret plots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I have provided ample evidence the Zuckenberg bucks were illegally used to target democrats almost exclusively to increase their voter turnout in swing states, and that election laws were broken. I'm sorry you don't like the facts.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Ex-Mrs. Newsome might've been involved in the insurrection financing, per Propublica. She apparently exchanged texts with Katrina "Bullet Necklace" Pierson, cum laude alum of Fox News, on the speakers. And, she channeled money from among others the Publix supermarket heirs. Follow the money, as always. Guilfoyle not yet subpoenaed by the 6 Jan committee, though this report might move that along.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    You haven't. You made a statement, offered up your evidence, and it was debunked. Nothing Facebook did was illegal.

    And no election laws were broken. The proof? Trump and his associates took over 60 cases and lost everyone of them.

    But it appears you have proof, that meets the legal level to deem it illegal even though no court has agreed with you. Maybe, just maybe, your second hand knowledge of the law, and third hand evidence isn't quite what you believe it to be.

    Your opinion, are not facts. Present facts. How many cases of illegality in the election have been proven?

    What laws did Facebook break? If they did break election funding laws why didn't they get arrested or sued? Why didn't the GOP governors of some of those states step in to stop it or subsequently pursue FB?

    Why? Because its all just your fantasy. No facts, just opinions based on third hand conspiracy theories dreamt up because it veats having to face the reality that Trump was beaten.

    Rejected by the voters. He was given a chance, the lessor of two evils for many, and was found wanting. He couldn't protect America, he didn't stand up for America against Putin, he didn't build a wall, he failed to reveal ObamaCare, he didn't bring back jobs, he didn't fix the national debt, he didn't sort out infrastructure, he didn't sort out the waste, he didn't clean up Washington.

    And, if you want to deny all that and continue to pretend the election was rigged, then Donald J Trump goes down as the POTUS that couldn't even protect American democracy.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You have provided zero evidence the money from Zuckerberg was used illegally, just unfairly.


    What law did it break?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Excellent. Why are you wasting your talents here? Get yourself to your Lord and Saviour before those evil commies who lack unquestionable belief in your opinions start throwing around facts and reality. Get those opinions to the real President stat so he can bring another court case which will surely triumph based on your opinions and beliefs. Oh if only we could believe as strongly as you, then what a wonderful fantasy land we could make.



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