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    #2
    Pawwed Rig
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    You misunderstood the article you read. At no point were more than a handful of people in prison for not paying a TV licence. Still too many I agree but your 1,000 figure is off the wall.



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    basill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭basill


    The people who choose not to pay their TV licence fee are being jailed for the simple reason that if they weren't then the vast majority of the public would follow suit and not pay. Its the same as refusing to pay income tax. It has nothing to do with the crime itself but the knock on effect that allowing them off would have across society. Floodgates would open.



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    Wilmol
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Wilmol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184688#Comment_118184688

    Why is this attitude not taken when it comes to beat downs? If you put a couple of scumbags in jail, others will follow suit and stop attacking innocents.



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    Wilmol
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Wilmol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184650#Comment_118184650

    They still have their lives ruined with a criminal record and have to put "jailed" on any vetting forms.



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    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184724#Comment_118184724

    The answer to that is simple. No one in official Ireland actually gives a crap about this taxi driver but they do care that people are compliant and keeping the money rolling in



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    nj27
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    This guy punched the head off a taxi driver in 2018 and he's only in court now? Is that not odd in itself?



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    #8
    maestroamado
    Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058218527/this-country-is-amazing

    You didn't read the article properly... he had a difficult upbringing... now that's our fault....



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    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184753#Comment_118184753

    I am not denying that



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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,198 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184990#Comment_118184990

    He had alcohol. Ban drugs.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Dyr
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    Take sentencing out of the hands of judges might be a start.



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    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,759 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185399#Comment_118185399

    Bring in jury sentencing? 12 people, from all walks of life decide the sentence for every crime.


    The backlog is bad enough without making it worse



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    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I am going to disagree with the general trend on this one, that case would be ideal for restorative justice if the taxi driver agreed the perpetrator does not have any other conviction, does not seem to be generally violent, having to sit down opposite the taxi drive cold stone sober and listen to the effect the attack hand on him would be the way to go.



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    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185411#Comment_118185411


    Builld some prisons for a start and bring in automatic sentencing with grounds for reducing sentences being decided on a strict matrix of mitigating factors by panel of jurors not judges or boards packed with appointees



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    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭threeball


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185517#Comment_118185517

    You're deluded if you think he'd care one bit. Probably laugh in his face and punch him again if he thought he'd get away with it.

    Its mad that people actually think that people like this can be reasoned with.



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    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,959 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    So a racist, scumbag professional MMA fighter, smashes a man teeth in, goes back looking to do more damage, all because he believes he was ‘disrespected’ because he was asked to pay money up front for a service he would have to pay for anyway... but he doesn’t get a custodial sentence..???

    its precisely for this reason and cûntbucket judges like this that our streets are so dangerous... not to mention the plethora of violent urchins that seem to be prevalent in society... they know there is sweet fûck all consequence to their behavior..

    if he didn’t like being asked for the cash and I might not have been too enamored myself he can pay or leave the cab.



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    10000maniacs
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    TV license dodgers are easier to handle in prisons than violent thugs.

    They are thinking about the welfare of the prison guards.

    This is the reason.



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    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Why do people take something from 7 years ago that they don't understand in the first place and then make wild ASSumptions.


    1 - You NEVER went to prison for not paying TV licence. You could got to prison for not adhering to a court issued fine. Whether that's a TV licence, speeding fine, littering fine or parking fine, makes little difference. Any prison time was for refusing to adhere to a court direction.

    2 - New procedures were introduced in 2017 to deal with those refusing to pay court fines. They can now be deducted from wages and social welfare payment or community service can sometime be done too. Only in cases where people literally stick two fingers up to the courts system constantly and refuse to engage in any meaningful way, is prison now considered.


    a very basic google search would have given the OP this information



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    maestroamado
    Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185399#Comment_118185399

    The legal profession can do as they please... there is an example of the senior Gardai in Dublin a couple of weeks ago... He is entitled to free legal aid...

    We need to wake up as a people...



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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,198 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185554#Comment_118185554

    I like this idea on one prevision: the victim has a say in the sentencing.

    If he can convince the taxi driver he deserves no conviction, then he should have no conviction. If he can't, then he gets a proper sentence.

    And no lawyers /solicitors. Just him.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,188 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185888#Comment_118185888


    Sounds great in theory until you are sitting in the courtroom facing the thug who gave you a dig and who you know, regardless of what you say, will be out and about at 2 or 3 years at the latest. He might not be SCC material but you still might not want to be the one that decides how long he is in for.



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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,198 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185929#Comment_118185929

    Doesn;t have to be in a courtroom. I'm assuming that the guilty verdict has already been recorded, no reason why the meeting couldnt be conducted in private with only the judge present.

    Also, 2 or 3 years is an imporvement on what's currently on the table. Plus pretty much in line with what I think people should get for assault.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,188 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118186648#Comment_118186648


    Justice is administered in public. Either the judge decides in public on his own, or the vitcim's public feelings on the matter are taken into account. The judge cannot be seen to decide ad-hoc and attribute his decision to some confidential consultations he did or did not have with the victims.



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    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185517#Comment_118185517

    That's a wet dream for scum bags.



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    #25
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,198 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118186729#Comment_118186729

    He's not. Nothing stops him from delivering the sentence in a public courtroom. Nor does it exempt him from justifying his decision.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #26
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,188 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187047#Comment_118187047

    A witness impact statement is not what was proposed. What was proposed was the victim being able to decide the sentence and you said it could be done in private with only the judge present.



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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,198 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187057#Comment_118187057

    Amended. But the rest of my points still stand.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,188 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187067#Comment_118187067

    Well, tbh, I'm not sure what that those points are now.

    I don't think the victim should have any direct input into the sentence. Because that then places the victim in an intimidating position - especially in a case where the victim is assaulted by someone who is on the scumbag side of the human spectrum and has scumbag friends who might not like that the victim stood up and say "3 year judge' rather than "let him go judge"

    The system cannot have the victim do this in private because then you are going to have sceanrio where there are two identical cases and judge one comes out and says "defendant A gets 5 years" and then comes out later and says "defendant B gets to go home" and attributes that to some confidential chat he may have had with a victim.



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    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The justice system shouldn't have to be told of the impact of a violent crime on the victim.



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    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,188 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187354#Comment_118187354

    No, it is relevant. Because different victims might be affected by the same act to different extents. The accused is responsible for the full extent of those wrongs/injuries once they did something illegal to start it.



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    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 68,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185888#Comment_118185888

    That is a recipe for victim intimidation. Terrible idea.



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