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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The edit function seems only to work when you access the site from a phone not a desktop, don't know why that is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Siberia is continental weather, stands to sense it'll get warm in the summer, Lots of those fires were started dileberately and there was a ban on clearing brush

    Floods in Europe, they concreted over the drains and banned dredging the rivers, its weather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Anyone who thinks this climate change agenda is not big business have a read of this.

    A company that has been operating for 50 years and employing thousands of people all the way is suddenly worth 1.25 billion in less than 2 years,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Another thing about all these fires spreading for thousands of acres, why are there no fire breaks to stop it spreading, its something that always baffled me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Was reading about the NI farm turbine grants, you get the grant for 20 years, first 4 should cover your investment, guaranteed payment no matter how little you produce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Can these grants be got this side of the border, because I'm coming to the conclusion that this working crack is a waste of time?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Siberia is 138.5 times the area of Ireland but only has 6.4 times the population. Barely anyone there to make fire breaks.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    30% or so of UK wind farm owners are headquartered in the Cayman islands - ker ching, ker ching!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Nah, ours won't give to their own, you'd need to do your best fake Scottish or German accent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    I see, leaving Siberia aside, all these other fires around the world that can last for weeks why are there no fire breaks, like having blocks of trees and having a few hundred meters between each block to stop the fire from spreading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's a brilliant story, cheers for sharing it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The worlds biggest tech companies are located in Ireland ker ching,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Making climate change denial illegal is stupid and dangerous. I don't agree that climate change is a hoax, but when differing opinions are silenced even the most robust science becomes dogma. For the same reason, I think people who dispute the Holocaust happening are usually doing so for detestable reasons, but I think Holocaust denial laws are counter-productive. People are free to hold an opinion, even if it's very obviously wrong, even if acting on that opinion would be illegal. Thoughts should never be crimes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sure, you can hold an opinion. That should never be a crime. But as soon as you start to try to persuade others that the Holocaust is fake, then it’s not longer just a thought….try your are acting on that opinion and it’s an action for which there should be a sanction



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    No I didn’t contradict myself I was simply waiting for you to use that exact argument. You said that EVs are a waist of time because there less efficient end to end and therefore worse for the environment and peoples pockets, none of which is true, I have a link to a paper that I will post later, it 6 AM.

    your forgetting the use of renewables which end to means next to zero greenhouse gas emissions and clean breathable air by comparison to the current ICE fleet.

    There’s now such thing as a clean, efficient diesel or petrol or LPG or biofuel engine as long as we keep burning stuff to extract energy things will not change in fact they will get worse.

    The Stone Age didn’t end for the lack of stone !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Well the people whos pockets its coming out sure as hell arent getting a say in if they would like to keep it.

    But you are right. The government doesnt keep it. It just tales it and p1sses it up against a wall for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Everybody wants them. They just cant afford them. Even including grants. And the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get the grant.

    Ive a friend who installs solar and he says business is booming, but the grant situation is the biggest pita imaginable.

    As an aside,

    Last year i asked him if we should get solar on the parents house.

    He said no. Dont bother retrofitting unless its free.

    He said dont bother at all with solar electric. Total waste of money. To make it work for you you have to spend a fortune.

    He said most people go for solar water heating these days as pv has a much higher payback period.

    Now cant remember the exact cost of the installation would have been. I think he said about €5000, not sure.

    Turns out it costs us 50c to heat the hot water on timer in the morning and it lasts all day. He said it would be even cheaper if we got instant hot water installed, but we never looked into that.

    But we would have been spending €5000 on solar to save 50c per day (And thats not even every day. Its summer months only that they will heat all the water you need. And sure you are on holidays usually for a couple of weeks of that). Then those things have a finite life and require maintenance., They payback period never includes those costs. He told me he there was 99% chance we would have ended up paying more than the cost of installation on maintenance and repairs again over the "payback period". And you better not sell the house in the meantime or you miss that payback period :)

    He said the only reason he has solar ion his own house was that he got the panels for free and he installed it himself. Otherwise he wouldnt have bothered at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Thought crimes are just the worst... 🙄


    Thanks for proving my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    If the government decide to say, make burning coal illegal, people are expected to follow the law, even if they don't like it. But they're free to think the law is stupid and they're free to share their opinion. With things like climate change, vaccines and so on it's is a bit trickier. I think the line lies with disinformation: If someone is knowingly passing on lies, or fabricating misleading information, then they've crossed that line. I'm not sure how you would prove that, and that's a problem, but if we start punishing people for thinking something, we no longer live in a free society.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah sure, go around spread lies so. All okay

    No better than flat earthers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,618 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You can build as many wind turbines as you wish but that does not change the wind being intermittent. The simple fact is that we have been putting all our eggs in one basket, wind, and are continuing to do so with "truly mind boggling" off shore wind farms.

    The plan is to get us to a level of 80% of our energy needs from renewables (i.e. wind being the vast majority) and as we get to this figure other power stations will be shut down. Even at our present level of relying on wind energy we can see the hole in the plan. One gas fired power station off line for maintenance and we are looking at Winter blackouts. The green answer, nuclear power from France. An energy source they are not even prepared to discuss yet are happy to use to get them out of a hole. A hole that is only going to become larger following the present policy.

    I`m always in favour of following the science. Getting ahead of it and hoping the science catches up, not so much. With the present level of battery technology, to talk about battery storage as an alternative to preventing energy shortfall is just that. Wishful thinking.

    Is it not past time that we copped ourselves on and realise that by beggaring or citizens and our economy we are not going to save the world on our own ? Solar energy is now the latest basket being touted to put eggs in. If solar power is the next great hope then why are China, the world leaders as exporters of solar panels planning on opening over 40 new coal fired power stations if solar is the answer ? It`s not as if they would have any problem with planning permission for solar farms. If you missed that the leader of China could not be arsed turning up for the COP 26 beanfeast, you probably also missed that while Johnston was pontificating up in Scotland, down in Cumbria the U.K are planning on opening a new deep pit coal mine. As i said, past time we copped ourselves on.

    Over capacity and pumped storage. We do not have over capacity to be used when we need it. The reverse with this present plan. With this plan of 1 million electric cars between now and 2030 (I know it`s a fiction but even if it was not) these and every other hairbrained idea will be gobbling up greater energy than we now require. Doing much of that off peak is not going to do much for pumped storage (a practice that is totally energy inefficient to begin with) as off peak energy will simply not be there to avail off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Since I seem to have got hold of an expert, tell me, which of these is a lie?:

    Current CO2 levels are at the very bottom of the range the Earth has experienced over time

    The current average global temperature is at the very bottom of the range the Earth has experienced over time

    Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased substantially and rapidly in the past, just as they are doing now, prior to past glaciation periods starting(ice age)

    It is unlikely that any hominid played any part in past substantially and rapid rises in CO2 levels, so these are something that occur naturally

    Global average temperature has increases substantially and rapidly in the past, just as it is doing now, prior to past glaciation periods (ice age)

    The Atlantic conveyor current (AMOC), is thought to have played a significant part in the formation and ending of the most recent glaciation periods

    That Atlantic conveyor current has been slowing more rapidly, as of 150 years ago, but seems to have been declining for a millenia or more


    Take your time.

    A) All

    B) Some

    C) None



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,263 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Care to state this as a syllogism rather than a series of random statements that may or may not be completely irrelevant to the current state of affairs?

    In case you don't know what a syllogism is, you can read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,263 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    A Nasa study from earlier this year found that the earth's radiative imbalance is more than double in 2019, than it was in 2005. This means that more than twice as much heat is being added to the biosphere now, than was being added 16 years ago.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/langley/joint-nasa-noaa-study-finds-earths-energy-imbalance-has-doubled

    an increase of just over 30ppm of CO2 caused a doubling of the earths radiative imbalance. Because of the pathetic failure of our politicians and industry leaders to agree to stop burning fossil fuels, we are very likely to exceed 550ppm between 2050 and 2070 an extra 140ppm of CO2 compared with 2019.

    Its not quite a linear trend, but based on the 30ppm increase doubling our radiative imbalance, by the time we get to 2050, we could see the radiative imbalance being 6 times greater than it was in 2005

    90% of this additional heat has been going into the oceans, which are already rising by thermal expansion alone by 1.2mm per year.

    By 2050 we could see 7.2mm of sea level rises per year just from thermal expansion, this doesn't even include melting land ice, which will also accelerate due to the increased radiative imbalance


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    Climate change is no joke, and because of the craven and corrupt so called 'leaders' refusing to act to reduce global emissions, we're running out of time to avoid the feedbacks that will make human actions irrelevant. Every single year brings us closer to crossing some of these tipping points, we may already have passed some of them, with the Amazon becoming a net contributer to atmospheric CO2. Hotter oceans won't be able to store as much CO2 as colder ones, and Methane gets released as oceans heat up and permafrost melts.

    People on this thread complaining about the cost of acting on climate change will get a very rude awakening when they see the true cost of not having acted in time.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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