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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980



    Trips by car have increased in Ireland in the decade since carbon taxes were introduced. If, as you say, the purpose of carbon taxes is to make people rethink then it's been a clear policy failure. Kilometres driven have increased as well as car ownership in that period.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The solution is obvious - you call in sick more to work because you're sitting at home in the cold. That would be the "green" thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have more than responded to your questions, and been very polite in doing so. The Ministers have said what the carbon tax has been spent on, it is there in black and white. You doubt it, you doubt them, that is your issue.

    On the 1 million cars, that was a target before the Greens came into government. The Greens want to reduce the total number of cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    The one good thing that has come out of COP26 is that it has really shown what a farce it has become.

    The media are showing all that, while it's not their intention to show it in a bad light it's backfiring big time.

    The posturing and posing by the great and good flying in on their private jets, Johnston flying home on his private jet for dinner, Obama flying over from his mansion to lecture on how we should live our lives while he did nothing when he was in power,

    Greta the great going around Glasgow like some kind of rock star,

    The President of COP26 gave his speech on how coal has been consigned to history while the big coal users sign up for nothing, instead opening up new coal plants instead of closing them.

    And the main man himself Biden comes over for a nap, you couldn't make this stuff up.

    Well done to RTE, TV3, BBC and SKY frow showing this farce up, you have done us all a great service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You would have to drive everywhere for shops, restaurants, doctors, cinemas, schools, work.

    The NBP has to send fibre up the boreen to get to you.

    The cost of delivering post, of ambulances, of all services are increased in such dispersed settlement patterns. All of these things have a cost, and that cost is not just financial, it is a cost on the climate.

    As for the clean country air? Given the amount of rubbish burnt in farmer's backyards, I am not so sure your air is as unpolluted as you think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    COP26 - a disgusting display of the great and the good telling the average punter they need to pay more while they jet around in private planes. The farce of COP26 is more likely to put many people off and turn against the green agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    doubt it tbh, i suspect people will just grow more concerned about these issues, and the fact, our governments are continually failing to deal with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    As I said in a detailed post yesterday about driving, a car that is being driven in the country is better than one sitting in traffic.

    Fibre would be passing by the house anyway. the postman passes also, no difference if there were another 10 houses on my road, services are already there.

    Very few farmers burn rubbish nowadays, but you will always get one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    People are concerned but mainly around how they are expected to afford retrofitting and buying new EVs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    maybe, but i suspect more and more are just disturbed to see how badly our governments have been, and continue to be, in failing to deal with this, theyve no real clue, even our green parties are lost, very disturbing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    The people pushing hard for carbon taxes usually live in a coffin size apartment that a candle would heat in the capital eating their avocado toast. Job round the corner pushing pencils all day.

    Whereas the reality for many is quite the opposite.

    Haven't a clue of costs because it wont affect them in the slightest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980



    I would bet that if you took a poll of Irish people in the morning of their main issues or concerns that climate change would be near the bottom and well behind the perennial concerns of housing and health.

    I'll do my bit for climate change that I can. Walk or cycle where practical and I recently insulated my attic myself because, ironically enough, it was cheaper to do a DIY job on it than avail of the green SEAI grants. But I can't afford what they are looking for in the Climate Action Plan which is for me to take on significant debt for retrofitting and to buy an EV. And honestly those heat pumps that are going to be pushed on people in the next decade are useless except for houses designed to take them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    most wont take on these debts, as they cant or wont, i wouldnt be worrying about it at all, most people will just laugh at the ridiculousness of the plan, when they start to realise how much it would cost them, they ll just ignore it, and carry on with life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    This is a country of plenty so almost everything can be rationed. If driving is expensive, then you'll find that people reduce the quantity of discretionary journeys and consolidate the necessary ones. I do think there is a gap in understanding the current price per km for a traditionally fueled car though.

    Once road pricing is brought in that will change though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    People are not concerned tbh. If people where concerned they'd stop driving ICE cars today, they'd stop buying cloths, they'd stop showering every day, they'd stop buying electronics, they'd stop buying meat, they'd stop buying tat on Amazon, they'd stop driving their kids to school and let them walk or cycle, they wouldn't cover their houses in Xmas lights or have the massive American style fridge etc..

    People like convenience and not an Angles Ashes lifestyle. Humans ARE the problem not governments or some bogeyman to suit the agenda. When the planet becomes inhabitable for us it will be our fault and our fault alone. More people are concerned with virtue signalling to their friends on Insta or Facebook about "saving da planet" than actually making an effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,313 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Somebody was asking whether the carbon tax revenue is earmarked.

    Originally, at introduction in 2010, I don't think so.

    But recently, the increases in the carbon tax are ringfenced / earmarked.

    See here:

    https://assets.gov.ie/201264/5c96e5cd-b663-4887-bf2e-e13a393ffc50.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    It certainly woke me up with all this coverage of it, backfired big time.

    All it shows is the ''do as I say not as I do'' merchants up big time. reminds me of the time Charlie Haughey came out with the statement on how we as a nation had to ''tighten our belts ''while he lead the high life.

    Same sh*t every day, no solutions only fines and taxes, but I have to say, it's near comedy gold at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    people are actually extremely concerned, they dont change because a lot of the time, they simply cant, theres no real true affordable alternatives available to people, making major changes primarily means taking on substantial amounts of personal debt, this approach has run its course, people are unwilling/unable to truly do this anymore, so, the only way out of this is that states must take the lead, they must take on these debts on our behalf, the load of these debts must be spread out over society, we clearly have major wealth inequality issues, all of these issues now must be addressed, or we re probably fcuked as a species



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Hilarious seeing Saint Obama flying in on a jet to lecture the little people whilst he did the square root of dick to solve the issue whilst in power.

    These people have no morals or self awareness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    China has 43 new coal fired power stations in the works

    Anything we do is pure virtue signalling at this stage.

    I put forward the theory that we are f*cked on the Global Warming front unless some massive CO2/Meathane scrapping system comes along. So perhaps we should enjoy our last few decades of our easy existance & party our way out the door. Earth will be fine once we're gone so it will hasten things along so to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That may apply in particular limited circumstances, but in general my statement holds. Here is the An Taisce view which lines up with mine.

    "It is self-evident that dispersed development is more costly in terms of maintaining minor roads, supplying electricity, school transport and postal services etc. Very little of this cost is recouped directly from the homeowner. In most cases, whether borne by government or utility companies, the costs are ultimately passed onto the wider population to become a hidden external cost."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I think you are overestimating people's concern about this. Sure everyone will tell you that they are concerned about climate change and will do a bit more recycling etc. But tell them that means they'll have to curtail their cheap flights to Spain or they'll have to stop buying the latest Apple gadget from China and you'll see how long that concern will last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    A couple of hundred quid worth of carbon taxes Vs potentially adding 100000 euro of debt onto my existing mortgage? Yeah I'll continue the way I am, thanks very much...... .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I believe if there is a slowness to understand then I`m not the one with the problem of being obtuse.

    There is absolutely nothing to prevent a government ring fencing taxation for the purpose the claim it is being collected for other than it being embarrassedly shown at a later date the did not use it as was promised

    The 2011 - 2016 government had no problem promising to ring fence water charges when attempting to get them accepted as far as I recall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I heard on UK radio yesterday that the Zimbabwe delegation was something in the order of 130 - 150 people. I can't find a link to confirm that but what I did find is that climate change was not the only thing on their minds whilst in Scotland.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Apologies iv'e been correcting by a poster by PM, Obama actually flew to Scotland on a private jet not just a normal jet like the plebs would take. He also referred to Scotland as "the emerald isles".

    A bastion of intelligence no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    It's option 2 for me. They'll probably tax me to death before the planet is uninhabitable anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The I million cars by 2030 is a target that the greens have repeated on many occasions since entering government. So the simple question still stands is that a baseless fantasy or do you believe it is achievable ?



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