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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Did anyone see the new Leo Varadkar story in the Village. Apparently he treated Maria Bailey rather harshly.

    Bizarre article treats Maria Bailey as if she were a person of greater integrity than Leo Varadkar (maybe she is but it's question begging I think).

    Great issue of the Village though. Great articles on Omagh , ICHH , police corruption and Roger Casement.

    That MORON Conor Lenihan is in it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,351 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Why the fake outrage. I am sure the other poster can defend themselves. I am not demanding the poster reveal themselves. The poster could copy and paste his article here. Many journalists write under a penname.


    However, if a poster makes a claim that they are a journalist, I am curious to what type of journalist they are. Anyone can call themselves a journalist nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,181 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    But but but...you said that Leo is not allowed to have his own opinion on it.

    You are saying that calling him a "law breaker" is OK and that only the DPP can be the arbiter of whether the law is broken. These are fundamentally incompatible positions. Once again your blind hatred of all things Varadkar is exposed. This not about truth or fact for any of you. It's all about Varadkar.

    He's living rent-free in your head.

    If the DPP is the sole arbiter here, then Cosgrave's opinion is "as likely to be wrong as it is to be right", and he is therefore wrong to assert Varadkar is a "law breaker". Varadkar believes that he hasn't broken the law, which is a clear opinion. Cosgrave has implied fact rather than opinion.

    And given that it's far more likely that Varadkar has sought a legal opinion and Cosgrave has not (his ego doesn't leave room for advice), I know who's opinion I'd give more weight to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




    P.T.: Have you ever leaked confidential cabinet information?

    L.V.: Not of this nature.

    I.E. He leaked info before and he knew what was being alleged and what it was he had done with this information.


    As pointed out to you before, stop wasting everyone's time with semantics. Varadkar and his supporters may have done their best best to pretend that what he did was something other than 'leaking'.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Or he could be right...

    I'm 100% confident he is on the law anyway

    And of course the man who never made a mistake never made nothing

    Quite the dancer you are,I don't think I've seen such pirouette's since the Russian Balet were in town



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You, Leo and everyone else is entitled to their opinion. Where did I say otherwise?

    Leo is not entitled to call his opinion correct or the only one out there, nor can he call it an expert opinion.

    Anyone can call anyone else a lawbreaker too and it frequently happens. If they are wrong there is recourse for the accused too. It isn't up to me to seek recourse for what the Village claimed, for instance.

    BTW, you hire legal expertise to give you a heads up on what the DPP may decide. While he/she is the only one who can formally pronounce he/she is not the only expert on the law. This is Junior Cert stuff Seamus to be honest. Stating Cosgrove or the Village have not employed legal advice on what they can say is just a cheap ibe tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Says the guy putting all his apples in one man's basket.

    The 'guy' who has landed himself at the centre of a long running Garda investigation under two principal pieces of legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,351 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Anyone can call anyone else a lawbreaker too and it frequently happens.

    Hilarious you still persist with this nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What is 'hilarious' mark?

    Are you saying people aren't routinely accused of lawbreaking, even assumed to be guilty of having broken the law here on this forum for instance?



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well... going on my interactions and others with , apparently you and the twitterhateri can have all the opinion they like but the rest of us cannot

    A Garda investigation by the way is not a slight on anyone

    Except perhaps on its otherwise motivated instigators on no charges, one of whom is a fan of Vladimir Putin,that Bastion of democracy, human rights and law abiding

    3rd saying of the day

    Show me your company and I'll tell you what you are



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody denied you your opinion Marine...it is printed here in glorious pixels. What you are not entitled to do is assert that your opinion is right or that it is the only one.

    Mind you, when you need to indulge in character assassination of those who blew the whistle then I hark back to previous incidents of whistle blower assassinations and cringe TBH.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol..you do that a lot to belittle others opinions

    What's fascinating is your intent to ignore that I and others got the measurements of those tactics from you 10's of 1000's of posts ago

    Asserting that you are 100% confident of an opinion is not asserting fact

    I did say,we'll see who's right,I'm entitled to that opinion too, humouring your belittling of my opinion notwithstanding

    But you know this you're just doing your Russian balet again by ignoring and carrying on...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I prefer to remain anonymous but I will say I don't do investigative journalism unless you count some of my podcasts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The stories that I write and the podcasts that I do have no relevance to this story as I don't do current affairs or politics. It's akin to asking an entertainment correspondent to report on All Ireland Final in Croke Park. However I do know how journalism works and what I said about press releases stands. The majority of the stories I have written have come from press releases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Guy complaining about his opinion being belittled, belittles the opinion of another...and around it goes.🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Being a member of the NUJ is why I call myself a journalist.

    Two of my favourite interviews were with Jamie Heaslip and Max Keiser.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    First time I've seen you acknowledge that thats what you do

    But of course next post that won't have happened at all

    And around and round it goes...🙄



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With all due respect,people post here anonymously

    A poster like you with Shinnery views backing up the forums most prolific shinner on his belittling of journalism in this country is not an earth shattering revelation

    You'd swear by the anti journalist rant earlier we were Russia or in Minsk or something

    Perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,976 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Again, that was a response to a rhetorical question, and you are using the semantics of an isolated question and response out of the context of Varadkar's clearly stated position to make a spurious point.

    It puts your contributions somewhere below propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I challenge your opinion Marine...if you see that as 'belittling' then I think that shows up a lack of security about your own opinion, more than anything else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Shinnery Views? I voted SF for the first time in the last election. I don't like the way FF/FG and their cronyism is allowed to manifest in government. Hopefully SF helps FF/FG change their ways.

    Sadly there is some journalists that love to lick the boots of the government and other journalists who still have jobs after leaking information given to them by a tribunal they were a witness at. There is also a certain journalist who claimed I'm hearing Leo will wipe the floor with Village. So settle petals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well google 'Leo leaked confidential information' then and you will see Leo has a multiple of choices, across the breath of Irish media of who to sue for calling what he did 'leaking'.

    You are having to explain too much blanch and we know what that means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'Shinners and 'Shinnery'ism everywhere! With added look over there at the Rooskie's. Somebody is all out of argument it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,976 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You hardly put forward the best case for independent journalism with your contributions to this site. There is a distinct bias to most of your posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,063 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The mark of a good journalist is one who filters out the personal bias to write balanced articles. And some of them do, which is a mark of their professionalism or a professional editor. Many of them can't and routinely will be accused of bias.

    One of the illuminating things about social media is that it shows the personal biases of many journalists when they are not writing professionally and are just giving their own personal views.

    You should never judge their journalism based on what they write in a personal capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The distinct bias that you detect is my distaste for how FF/FG have run this country since it gained independence. My journalism is not biased at all and when I do product reviews I don't do reviews of products I am not familiar with or happy with. I only do reviews of products that I know that I can give an honest review of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit



    Actually you don't. You can accuse somebody of breaking the law, it is then for the courts to decide whether or not it was correct.

    I can accuse Leo of breaking the law as much as I can accuse somebody of breaking into my house if I see them smashing the window and climbing in,

    Nobody would shout "Stop him, he is allegedly breaking into my house and trespassing" or "Catch that person, they allegedly just stole my wallet/bag/car keys and are running down the road with them, allegedly".

    If it is in front of the courts, then it is not discussed so as not to influence any outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    An independent journalists political persuasion or outlook, (or lack of) and their impartiality (or lack of) is completely and utterly irrelevant unless they're penning political or current affairs articles or columns.

    Seriously blanch, I couldn't give a shiny shïte how the sports editor, or travel correspondent of the national papers votes, no more than i care what political outlook the chef has in my local restaurant.

    That statement, and it's assumptions within it says a lot though.

    Of all the scutter I've seen posted on this site, this is up there with the chunkiest and lumpiest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,415 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    And your alternative choice for “running the country” since independence would be whom ?

    You seem to forget that these people were democratically elected, and that despite your “distaste” the majority don’t seem to agree with your views.

    You should get out the OED and focus on what ‘Democracy’ means .

    Basically it ensures that the will of the majority of the people is followed and the gas heads and flakeys can’t tip the scales without majority support.

    Good system in my opinion



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,976 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't think he should have to release his pieces or reveal anything about himself. That is why boards is anonymous.

    We can't verify any claims on here. For example, we could easily have someone claim to be a journalist yet do nothing more than write reviews for Tripadvisor and a blog that nobody reads. And, that is fine, by the way.



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