New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

markodaly · 02-11-2021 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110326#Comment_118110326

I know that, but that wasn't my point that you conveniently ignored.

Are you saying that the only bias in reporting news and giving opinions on TV is on the right?

ancapailldorcha · 02-11-2021 11:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110356#Comment_118110356

Quote me where I said this please? Otherwise, please stop fabricating absurd nonsense.

kowloon · 02-11-2021 11:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109694#Comment_118109694

Can you define left and right? I'm not sure we're all on the same page.

markodaly · 02-11-2021 11:40PM

So why is it that only the right that need their own special news channel with no dissent whatsoever?

Quote me where I said this please? Otherwise, please stop fabricating absurd nonsense.

The keywords here are 'Only the right' which presupposes that anyone else has no news channel that leans their way.

Your short, blunt, and dismissive replies suggest you want to perhaps pull back from your own absurd statement that was not thought out.

02-11-2021 11:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110463#Comment_118110463

Agreed.

I've been dealing with this line of argument for quite some time. Thank goodness you're calling it out.

Quin_Dub · 02-11-2021 11:51PM

Frankly something like "The Morning Star" is just as absurd as GB News.

However what it doesn't have is someone slavishly defending and deflecting any and all criticisms and making excuses for it's obvious bias and outputs.

The Morning Star, just like GB News is a fringe outlet serving a tiny audience.

Doubt there's any here that would disagree on the Morning Star , but at least one will try to tell us that the sunny uplands are just around the corner for GB News and that there's a massive audience for it's output if only they could find their way to watching it.

I don't think anyone here has a particular issue with the existence of GB News or indeed any other media outlet regardless of their political bent. Each to their own and all that.

This entire thread is one person desperately trying to convince everyone (and perhaps themselves) that more than a handful are remotely interested in what GB News has to say.

kowloon · 03-11-2021 12:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110504#Comment_118110504

I'm not sure you can compare newspapers and TV channels, the budgets aren't on the same scale. GB News must be hemorrhaging money at some rate.

Penn · 03-11-2021 07:05AM

Never even heard of the Morning Star tbh...

pixelburp · 03-11-2021 07:25AM

I'd seen the Morning Star here and there, but it was always incredibly niche and blatantly editorialised to the Nth degree. Nobody would seriously claim it was a major voice in print media - it's barely mainstream. Good luck finding it in your local Centra (happy to stand corrected, long time since I bought a newspaper).

Now, neither is GB News; it ain't mainstream ATM. But the difference here is 1) the channel has a much higher budget 2) notably famous names in right wing contrarian circles formed the spine of the channel and 3) is broadcasting nationally as a new "major" player in television news (see 1)). GB News has sought to exist in the mainstream, the Morning Star doesn't exist anywhere near that altitude. If anything, it has cut a figure as something intentionally counter cultural.

Comparisons here are apples and oranges and if we want to compare equally or fairly, you'd have to find a polemical left wing TV station, obsessed with (say) Purity Tests and making continuous screeds along the same limited topics. And one trying hard to establish the veneer of legitimacy.

And the only reason we are still here reading about the station, is TBH, one posters slavish obsession to chart it's existence as some meteoric rise of a conservatism that isn't as big a deal as they say.

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 08:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110463#Comment_118110463

Can you name a left wing equivalent of GB News in the UK? With evidence, please? Otherwise, my comment is spot on.

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110857#Comment_118110857

I've been here a decade and the only time I've ever even seen a physical copy is once when I was on a train in Brighton and a woman beside me gave me her copy to read. I didn't ask for it. I don't see it in shops. Citing it in a thread about a failing TV channel is a bit desperate.

03-11-2021 08:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110992#Comment_118110992

I think you forget that GB News has left-wing staff, too.

Indeed Andrew Doyle is very vocal on the whole woke thing, but he himself identifies with the Left and voted Labour in recent past elections.

Woke and being of the Right are not synonymous - especially when you consider how many traditional Labour voters brought Boris Johnson to power and who are largely opposed to political correctness etc.

But your question was answered earlier, Channel 4 is as to the Left as GB News is to the Right.

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 08:42AM

But your question was answered earlier, Channel 4 is as to the Left as GB News is to the Right.

Nothing was answered. Given that you've yet again have nothing to back up your hysterical reaction to a perfectly logical statement, I'm going to conclude that you have nothing. Again.

03-11-2021 08:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111060#Comment_118111060

If you believe that Channel 4 is right-wing, that's your choice.

Most people accept that Channel 4 is bent to the Left and challenges conservatism to a far greater extent than every other mainstream UK channel.

Penn · 03-11-2021 09:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111118#Comment_118111118

Strawman - No one said Channel 4 was right wing. The claim was that it's not bent to any one side to the same level that GB News is bent to the right. Which is true, as Channel 4 falls under far more stringent rules as a publicly funded ACTUAL news organisation and therefore has a much greater responsibility to remain impartial. There's also the fact that the Conservatives have been in power for over 10 years, and so there would be more challenging and pieces of Conservative policies as they are the party in power.

03-11-2021 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111118#Comment_118111118

Channel 4 News has incredibly high editorial standards, highly respected and runs for half an hour each day. So it's not exactly similar to a 24 hour news channel that basically consists of rants rather than news reporting. So they're really not remotely equivalent.

L1011 · 03-11-2021 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111118#Comment_118111118

Strawman. Logical fallacy

Your debating technique is, if anything, getting worse rather than improving as you'd expect after hundreds of pages.

Core logical fallacies. Evasion, distraction, denial.

It doesn't actually work, except in your mind.

Professor Moriarty · 03-11-2021 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111006#Comment_118111006

If Channel 4 is the left-wing corollary of GB News then how does the left-wing TV station's viewing figures compare to the right-wing TV station's viewing figures? What can one then infer from this disparity?

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 09:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111118#Comment_118111118

We're back to making up nonsense, I see. I never said it was right wing.

This is why I ask you for evidence. You can't keep peddling lies and expect to be taken in good faith.

ArthurDayne · 03-11-2021 09:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110886#Comment_118110886

Good post and a good summation of the cyclical nature of this thread.

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111173#Comment_118111173

Precisely. It's a professional channel with a good pedigree. GB News is a trolling YouTube channel pretending to be a News channel. It's an expensive facade but it's not my money they're wasting.

markodaly · 03-11-2021 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110985#Comment_118110985

That presupposes that all other news outlets, apart from GB News are bang on the centre-ground and don't lean left. Is that what you are saying?

I guess you could be 'technically' correct that there is no dedicated overt left-wing news channel, but then some may argue that news outlets on the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 lean left, particularly in its editorial lines. The keyword here is 'overt'.

Of course, needless to say, there are dozens of online outlets that lean both left and right. Young people tend to lean left and young people tend to watch less TV but more online media content, so why from a pure business point of view would one create a dedicated left-wing news channel, when the market is already flooded online anyway? If a young person wanted to watch and consume left-wing news, there is a plethora of content online for them to see.

markodaly · 03-11-2021 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111227#Comment_118111227

Thanks for proving my point above... :)

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111290#Comment_118111290

Since you're determined to continue lying about what I've written, I'd best leave it there. I see you forgot to provide evidence again.

Quin_Dub · 03-11-2021 09:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110566#Comment_118110566

Not attempting to in the slightest.

My point is that there are lots of "fringe" outlets across the political spectrum of varying size and that is perfectly fine.

GB News is somewhat unique in that it is trying to be a large mainstream player while pandering to a fringe audience.

As other have said here repeatedly , they'd be far better off and potentially profitable if they were just a YouTube channel instead of trying to compete with National broadcasters.

There are plenty of quietly profitable YT channels out there serving small niche audiences , GB News could have been one of those.

Instead they are a large scale high profile money pit surviving only on the good graces and deep pockets of their benefactors.

markodaly · 03-11-2021 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111318#Comment_118111318

I see you think that all UK News channels are bang on point and centrist... :)

03-11-2021 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111391#Comment_118111391

Except GBN isn't really a news station. It's a 24 hour opinion channel. No news stories are broken by it etc.

ancapailldorcha · 03-11-2021 10:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111343#Comment_118111343

The problem with the Youtube model is that it only works for individuals and very small production teams and even with only one person, it's a 7-day a week job with none of the benefits you'd get from a traditional job such as a pension or health insurance. So, GB News has none of the advantages of that model due to its bloat but all of the disadvantages of being a top heavy channel with no viewers.

Tony EH · 03-11-2021 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110504#Comment_118110504

Into the bargain, 99.9% of the people on this thread have never even heard of The Morning Star, irrespective of their views on the disaster that is Gbeebies.

Penn · 03-11-2021 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111462#Comment_118111462

Plus a lot of their staff (on and off screen) would be unlikely to stay if they moved purely to online. Working for a TV station or working for a Youtube channel are hugely different things to have on your CV.

New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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