Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

end of the road · 22-10-2021 01:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118054428#Comment_118054428

realistically, unless they can swap it with one of the online services then it's going nowhere.

Elmo · 22-10-2021 12:28PM

Glow up Ireland got less than 46,000 viewers,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118054428#Comment_118054428

Jim Jenning's justification to me when I asked at Radio Days was that it severed a youth audience and that is part of RTÉ's public service remit as much as anything else, though he omitted the my lead to that question regarding children's TV and Drama and comedy.

PopePalpatine · 22-10-2021 12:37PM

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"severed a youth audience"

You got that right.

22-10-2021 12:40PM

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It's as out of touch with the youth as Ireland's own magazine that's why you have a hip-hop show sandwiched between 2 dance shows on Saturday night

22-10-2021 01:46PM

And why does 2fm as a "youth" station have a woman in her 40s presenting a 3 hour talkshow in the midmorning ?

end of the road · 22-10-2021 01:49PM

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it is, but to be fair most terrestrial radio probably is as well at this stage.

management at 2fm stupidly think or thought that those listening to the first dance show would stick around through the hip hop show, they don't unless they are one of the small few who like both who would be a minority of the audience for all of those shows.

so the management need to change that schedule and put the hip hop show on first, then the dance music.

RabbleRouser2k · 22-10-2021 02:12PM

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And yet Ireland's Own does genuinely impressive numbers. Close to RTE guide numbers. The Christmas edition of IReland's Own sells 70,000 copies. That's more than Glow-Up Ireland.

newbie2 · 22-10-2021 03:35PM

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Yes Telly Bingo is produced and recorded in RTE studios 3 times a week, Yes Angela Scanlons AMA is recorded in RTE studios twice a week, Yes, cleas Act is coming back, Crimecall was on twice in 3 weeks last Monday. Yes all these shows are rigged, lit, rehearsed & recorded or TXd live from 08.00 - 22.30/23.00. Thos shows I metioned in my post were being shot in RTE studios last week and this. I was just trying to answer your question about what exactly is happening in RTE studios.

Loafing Oaf · 22-10-2021 04:13PM

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I wonder will there still be advertising under the new system. If there is RTE could justify 2FM and other populist stuff by saying they are self-financing (or nearly).

Hotblack Desiato · 22-10-2021 04:23PM

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Youth station or not, isn't there enough pointless bloody talk on Irish radio already?

Nothing wrong with having stations that just play music - no talk, news, weather, inane chat, or tokenistic Irish, just play the music. Anyone who wants the other things has plenty of other options to get them.

It seems attitudes among the powers that be haven't changed from 40+ years ago when it was somehow seen as immoral that pirates were playing "mindless pop music" all day and corrupting the nation... I thought broadcasting had moved on a bit from the days of Lord Reith but maybe I was wrong.

Elmo · 23-10-2021 08:19PM

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I don't mean to go through a list but in the height of the worst historical recession of the late 1980s to the early 1990s... and on up to around 2008

RTÉ ONE (Studio programming)

Morning News Bulletins
News 1pm, 6pm, 9pm
Afternoon News Bulletins (inc. News for the Deaf)
An Afternoon Show (Live at Three now Today now from Cork)
TLLS/Kenny Live
Current Affairs shows e.g. Prime Time/Today Tonight (I think they have drop one, Marketplace)
A number of mid-week chatshows (Bibi, Lime Light and so on)
Live Saturday Morning Children's Programming up to 1998
Mass (You can't beat a good mass)/Service
and not mention before Glenroe and Fair City (3 eps per week but with a break)
Lotto Shows e.g. Winning Streak later Telly Bingo (which was a quiz show at one stage???)
Garda Patrol/Crimecall
Mailbag/Week in Review
Saturday night family programmes

RTÉ2

30 mins of Live The Den at least (growing from 1998 with intro of mornings and TTV etc)
Jo Maxi (later echo island and others into around 2008)
Curasí (Daily Irish current affairs programme)
Nighthawks/Later on 2/Jerry Ryan Tonight
News 2/Network News/News On 2
Evening News Bulletin
An Nuacht
The Beat Box / 2TV
Sports Stadium
Live Sports/A range of weekly sporting highlight shows

Now

RTÉ ONE

RTÉ NEWS 1pm, 6pm, 9pm
Nuacht RTÉ le TG4
Today
Current Affairs shows (minus Marketplace)
Crimecall
Mass/Service
TLLS and/or Angela Asks/Tiernan
Crimecall
Lotto Programming
Fair City (4 eps)

RTÉ2

News2Day
Live Sports
Sports highlight programming

also TG4 light entertainment programming

I just wonder how they did it in the past?

RabbleRouser2k · 24-10-2021 01:00AM

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The crazy wages and competition from the other channels is probably the main reason. That and you've got access to free entertainment on youtube, on a scale you've never had before.

Gay Byrne, for example, despite earning over a million viewers per night each night the Late Late Show was on, and earning another 1 million + for the early runs of Who Wants to be a Millionaire, never got the kind of money his successor's got. Notice how, when he retired, the license fee increased quite a bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

(Scroll down to see the license fee table showing the increase, year by year).

From 1986, to 1996, the license fee was the same cost, and only underwent a relatively minor increase in 1996. (It increased by £8. Roughly ten euro.) Then from 2001, to 2008, it increased annually. 2002 to 2003 saw a HUGE increase (imo) of the fee going from €107 to €150. €43 euros of an increase.

When the economy went belly up in 2008,the license fee was never increased after that. Tho in 2024, it will undergo a 'broadcasting charge' or some crud.

Elmo · 24-10-2021 10:36PM

@RabbleRouser2k Ray Burke refused to increase the license fee, he also capped their advertising revenue. He'd hoped that that revenue would go to the new local radio stations, the new national radio and TV station. Mostly it went north to UTV as TV3 failed to get of the ground until 1998.

Should RTÉ stop advertising on TV all most all revenue will head towards Sky, Channel 4, Viacom, UKTV, with Virgin Media TV seeing no increase in revenue.

M. D. Higgins began increasing the license fee to off set the cost of setting up TG4 by RTÉ in 1996. After that it increase almost every year, until the downturn.

At least Burke and Higgins had plans and ideas, weather they were to hurt RTÉ or to create TG4 and Indo TV and Radio.

Their successors sat on their hands and really cause far more damage than Burke could have ever imagined, though helped by a lazy RTÉ.

Hotblack Desiato · 25-10-2021 07:46PM

Well we all know what Burke was up to.

From the wiki article mentioned above:

Century Radio, Ireland's first licensed national solely private-sector broadcaster, began broadcasting in 1990. Minister Ray Burke proposed allocating 25% of the television licence revenues to private-sector broadcasters. The government rejected this, but agreed instead to cap RTÉ's advertising income. A tribunal of enquiry later established that Oliver Barry, an investor in Century Radio, had given Burke a political donation of £30,000. The advertising cap was lifted in 1993.

ShamNNspace · 26-10-2021 12:24AM

And all this only came to light after Bertie carried out an exhaustive search of every tree in North Dublin only to find nothing on his friend Ray, Bertie who seems to be making a bit of a comeback accross the airwaves these days only ever saw what he wanted to see

RabbleRouser2k · 26-10-2021 03:41AM

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As one person noted about Bertie, he hid behind women. Remember when he funnelled cash into Celia's bank account and beautician business, and Cecelia Ahern's bank account, and Georgia's too, I believe?

https://www.thejournal.ie/mahon-tribunal-ahern-3972899-Apr2018/

Bertie was (more than likely) taking money too. I'd say there wasn't a clean politician during that era.

elperello · 26-10-2021 09:59PM

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I'd say there wasn't a clean politician during that era.

I'd say that's an exaggeration.

Hotblack Desiato · 26-10-2021 10:47PM

Wasn't a clean FFer - now that'd be plausible...

Brock Turnpike · 28-10-2021 02:49PM

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The ads that 2fm play for their breakfast show are absolutely embarrassing. If you had to put up with that nonsense in a public place you'd be moving away from the people behaving like that fairly quickly.

Also their "sound of the nation" nonsense audio beds they play are like something a person in their 50s thinks young people will find cool, while actually being woefully out of touch.

goose2005 · 28-10-2021 07:27PM

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I supose there are parts of Ireland where you can't pick up many radio stations, your only choice is RTE or local radio, not everyone lives in the Nova Belt.

RandomViewer · 29-10-2021 12:15AM

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They'd have been scarce,

RabbleRouser2k · 29-10-2021 06:26AM

Has anyone bitten the bullet an watched Nicky Byrne's show, or that Angela Scanlan chatshow?

Gen.Zhukov · 29-10-2021 09:57AM

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1453747755822821376

This was posted in the LL thread c/o (KevRossi)

RTE running scared me thinks.

Brock Turnpike · 29-10-2021 10:15AM

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The Byrne one is genuinely terrible. A karaoke show. That guy must have incriminating pictures of someone within RTE. There is no demand for that type of show.

Scanlon one was just a bit "meh" I felt. I think a for a show which has had such a long lead in, it seemed to be struggling for things to talk about with the guests. I only watched up to about halfway through the Sharon Corr interview and then switched off.

Elmo · 29-10-2021 10:51AM

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Every area of Ireland is covered by both Today FM and a Regional Pop station (iRadio, Beat and Spin), while Nova's sister station Classic Hits is available in many parts of the country.

I would disagree with getting rid of 2FM but it was never supposed to get funding from the license fee, going back to its early days. I don't see why 2FM couldn't have cut their income along their commercial lines, particular considering that 2FM News and Sport is provided by RTÉ.

I still don't see how Game On fits in 2FM as a yuff music station, move it to Radio One Extra.

ShamNNspace · 29-10-2021 11:14AM

Brendan o Carroll, Padraig Harington and Christy Dignam on the LL tonight... How many times a year are they on? 🤔

Elmo · 29-10-2021 11:33AM

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Brendan is on following Mrs Brown's Boys LIVE 🙄 and to talk about his new sit-com set in an Irish peacekeeping camp featuring this family!

RabbleRouser2k · 30-10-2021 02:25AM

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Saw people talking about how the Late Late Show was pushed back to accommodate Mrs Brown, Live.

In it's Heyday, that would be unthinkable. Nothing short of The 10 Plagues would have pushed the LLS back. Tells you a lot about the current state of the show.

AndyBoBandy · 30-10-2021 07:58PM

Ah yes.

lets pause the kids/family movie with half an hour to go to go live to this weeks live lotto draw, so as the kids all get to understand gambling.

Pr1cks.

Absolute fcuking pr1cks.

vriesmays · 31-10-2021 02:03PM

A few decades back RTE screened the '60s movie Cul de Sac one morning for kids. They thought black and white means ok for children.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore