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Grazing 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭minerleague


    I agree with easten on one thing, you can't foresee what conditions will be like next spring. Not much point having grass for early grazing if you get a wet winter. farming heavy ground here and last few wet years land gets wetter from now on so try to keep winter as short as possible by keeping them out now. Now have to say lightly stocked here with factory cattle finishing up. Cows and calves get round bale of hay outside from now on, helps slow wet grass plus trying to get them to graze out fields well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,356 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    The reality in the west of the country on all average to reasonable land after another days rain and if the wether stays unsettled 30 of them cows would have 30 acres ploughed in a fortnight .In the east it would be a different story probably .In the south west here we would have at least 2 inches of rain every week with the last 5 weeks so the rain ie taking its toll at this stage ,same story every year dam lucky to get to the 1st of november and any day more is a bonus grazing for adult cattle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I find the last 6 years, roughly, that winter is Late Feb to mid march.

    I've often had them out a few hours a day in January while mid march might be horrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Yep, I agree with Eastern too.

    There's frost now on May day and hardly any in October November.

    Im farming wet land too, but this year, more than ever I'll be takeing every day's grazeing now I get, and will aim for a may month turn out if so be it.

    The people giveing out about calender farming regarding spreading slurry, contradict themselves, with their determination of calender grazeing.

    At the end of the day eastern has a valid point for his farm and lots more like him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭memorystick


    If land gets ploughed up now it has 5 months to recover. You have to graze off grass at this time of year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Land that gets damaged now can get a run of a chain harrow in spring when ground condition allow. Then a fast run with an empty land roller.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    If it gets tramped/ploughed now it’ll hold lots of water and take longer to dry in the spring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    A small bit of damage is not an issue but too much will take a lot longer to recover next spring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The only real issue is where ground becomes liquidised in to slurry(around a feeding area) or very heavy ground. I have even seen with early spring grazing where ground gets damaged it will have recovered fairly fast. The actual trick with that ground is to not to be afraid regraze in the rotation and a quick light roll

    Really heavy land may need to be treated slightly different but in general lads can be afraid of a little damage when there is no need to

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    All stock out full time still, using cows to get thru as much as I can but weather nearly beating me. Have the wettest ground grazed but the rain ain't coming in small bits and pieces either. In calf heifers will be housed by the wkend and calves the following week weather dependant. If the end of the week comes bad and cows are forced in I may use the remaining ground for calves. Have only 5 empty cows to offload and possibly a bull or two.

    Just on the talk of grazing by calender etc, it is just about having enough grass in spring. If spring demand is low its not such an issue but if you are regularly grazing into December and can't get stock out till april/ May then the main reason is that the farm has been grazed too tight along with any damage taking longer to recover in terms of moisture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There is one main difference between beef and dairying, when cattle go out in spring grass must make up 100% of the diet. I have no problem housing for 7-14 days in May if it comes to that, but supplementation on grass during the spring is not feasible. Cows might only have 40% if there diet as grass during the spring

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    And it could be game over very quickly here lol, horrible day, 5hours left and still 16mm of rain due!! But fantastic back end so far, a month ago I didn't think I'd ever get through the wedge that was in front of the cows, but always large enough demand this time of the year, and AFC dropping fast enough now. I can't complain because I made no real effort to slow down the cows, only fed half a dozen bales until today. Cows staying in tonight, and if I get to the 15th Nov with some sort of on off grazing with the milkers that will be good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Some rain today will house a good share Saturday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Still trundling along. Will probably start housing from the start of the second week in November. Stock are in 4 main bunches. Biggest is 24 stores grazing off slight heavy ground. A few land drains went into it about 6-7 years ago it took 3-4 years to properly dry out bit it is holding up well at present.

    21 in a other bunch are being strip grazed through a heavy cover still good clean out. Another bunch of 12 are going similarly. There is 8 finishing cattle in a paddock with decent cover they are on 6 kgs/ day of barley/ maize/ hulls. There is some hitting 30 months the third week in November so will move them around then

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Never saw anything other than cows getting staggers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    That's different, do you not give them Cal Mag. you're lucky if you don't just find them dead especially if there's older calves on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Yea we used it in our sucklers too, it was never too bad, the magnesium pump was enough even in wet weather, we used to have to add iodine to the magnesium as well. the pump is a great job. We used to get a lot of chills in the calve until we put the iodine through the pump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    No, a pump on the water pipe, it'd suck a certain amount of the flomag for every 100gals water that went through the pipe, the flomag intake was adjustable, you could turn it up in wet weather, but I never need ed to

    https://www.dosatronusa.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Used same system here never adjusted pump. Never a problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Heifers in, cows in today and tonight prob tomorrow as well, some amount of rain falling since 4 this morning. I think someone measuring nearby had it over 50mm so far and still at it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Wet, cows have to walk out to the parlour anyway and take so long to walk down they'd be wet any wet day. Have never had any problems in the shed really touch wood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I have plenty grass at the moment and ground conditions are still very good,hope to leave them out till the end of November

    My grass is gone a bit strong if this is not grazed down tight will this effect quality next spring? They are happy away on it and grazing it well so far so hopefully they will skin it,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy



    It will effect it, the butt will rot, it'll be course and strong and they'll be reluctant to eat it. You'll end up having to force them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have about ten acres like that this year. I am strip grazing most of it. Something I am not mad about but I am getting good clean outs so farm. Grass will be a week to ten days later next spring but quality will be ok. As well as I graze silage paddocks in the spring it will sort any issue. There may be 1-2 acres of the ten there is an issue with but most will be ok.

    Correct pH is helpful as well.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭morphy87


    This was reseeded three years ago and when the cattle were took off this late August I topped it so a nice fresh award would grow back so hopefully this should help,but I wasn’t exspecting growth like this

    would it have to very strong to cause this problem? Can’t strip graze and I don’t want to leave it behind me before the cattle are housed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭morphy87


    How would correct ph sort this problem? If possible would you mind uploading a photo of what you are grazing?

    would type of weight gain would you be exspecting on good grass this time of year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Good pH will help the butt decay as well butt would be slightly sweeter. A run of a chain harrow will help as well next Spring. Nearly all the really heavy stuff is grazed out now, moving into the last few paddocks with slightly lighter covers but will try for photos

    Not overly worried about weight gain as it is mostly stores but would to expect definitely 5-600 grams/day

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Why cant you strip graze, is ground condititions not good enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭wrangler



    The problem I'm having is that thegrass is lying down and rotting the butt, if it's not grazed soon it'll all rot.

    Land is too wet here to drive on. topping not an option

    Getting it well grazed out with sheep but not a pretty sight



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭morphy87


    It’s a very big field and it would be very awkward, it’s the only field I can’t strip graze,I had a similar problem last year and it seemed ok in the spring and they skinned it in the spring just worried about quality in the spring time, they are happy in it so it might be ok k



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