Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

accensi0n · 16-10-2021 08:14PM

Carbery who can no longer tackle just stripped an 8. 😃

razorblunt · 16-10-2021 08:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118030403#Comment_118030403

And then got his own pocket picked.

DellyBelly · 16-10-2021 08:20PM

Carberry you bloody idiot...not good enough I'm afraid

razorblunt · 16-10-2021 08:23PM

No way were Connacht back 10 on the Coombes carry.

ersatz · 16-10-2021 08:23PM

Ireland wise Carty looking far ahead of Carberry.

16-10-2021 08:32PM

That was a shite match. Why name flannery if he's not gona get a shot anyway

budhabob · 16-10-2021 08:32PM

Neither team were firing on all cylinders, but Munster very lucky there to come away with a win. Worst performance so far in my book.

Carbery well off the pace, time to let form start.

TomsOnTheRoof · 16-10-2021 08:39PM

Healy has to be the starting 10 after tonight. I'd also like to see Liam Coombes given a shot at nailing down the 13 Jersey. Beirne and POM were quite good.

theVersatile · 16-10-2021 08:42PM

Carbery with the clutch kicks when it mattered, but otherwise average.

Love a smash and grab win. Delighted for Barron - headlines will be all about Joey underperforming and the Carty narrative but its great the see a young Academy fella follow up last week's strong performance with a crucial late score to secure an intepro win.

OldRio · 16-10-2021 08:43PM

Headlines should be about the TMO.

ersatz · 16-10-2021 08:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118030520#Comment_118030520

Munster forwards are very solid in these kinds of scraps, Connacht will remember that first half try though, very jammy. With all the time wasting that goes on W TMO it’s very poor form to miss that.

TomsOnTheRoof · 16-10-2021 08:51PM

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I agree that Beirne looked to be offside. I'd add though that the officiating was quite poor for both sides at times. I thought the ref was very finicky and inconsistent.

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2021 08:53PM

Ive never seen carbery play so bad. Something wrong with him i think.

Healy in pole position.

ujjjjjjjjj · 16-10-2021 09:35PM

Someone needs to put Carbery out of his misery.

He isn't a 10, never has been and planning in Leinster was pushing him to fullback in Leinster before the second coming as he got shifted to Munster and 100% 10 placement. People forget that he was been talked about as a genuine contender to eclipse Sexton at the time of the move and he isn't even on the same planet as a 10 as Sexton. It always baffled me.

In the modern game he isn't a tough enough tackler at 10 (compare to Sexton) and he struggles to be creative in tight spaces and his hands aren't great (look at Sexton's ball speed and passing in tight spaces as a comparison). I watched every minute Carbery played at Leinster and three things stood out, 1. Good under a high ball, 2. Good space and positional awareness in open backfield and 3. Given space he was a good counterattacker but only at speed and from space.

It is almost as if he is so far down the hype train now that no one wants to do an about face and admit he has been mishandled.

Was there a world class fullback there, possibly yes.....is there a worldclass 10 there absolutely not.

Sliding doors I know but I think if he had stayed at Leinster he would be Leinster and Ireland fullback.

awec · 16-10-2021 09:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118030550#Comment_118030550

Looked to be?

Wasnt even close. Mr Magoo would have called it.

16-10-2021 10:01PM

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He wasn't great but behind a team with a shambolic line out and forwards not providing great ball I'm not sure Healy would have been any better. Last week Healy had acres of space around him, Connacht were up aggressively all match. As so frequently happens v Connacht, our international standard pack got mugged by Connacht's. You could argue a truly great out half would manage the lack of space better but those out halves are rare for a reason.

Main thing for me is he kept his head for the last kick.

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2021 10:15PM

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Hard to agrue with that.

Hes a weakness defensively and would be used as a second playmaker 15 if he was on the other side of the equator.

He should be irelands answer to Damien Mckenzie, a ball player who can do a job at 10 if your stuck but he needs the time and space of 15.

He gets so much traffic now in games that hea goi g to be back on the doctors table in no time.

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2021 10:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118030822#Comment_118030822

Lineout was only a problem in the first half. Plenty of territory and possession and zebo got one pass.

Carbery wasnt getting the ball, but was he looking for it???

16-10-2021 10:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118030878#Comment_118030878

Carbery didn't play well but to some degree that's down to bad ball, imo. He actually got a fair bit of ball, it was just slow and Connacht were up in his space constantly. It'll sound like an excuse but against an aggressive defence with a slippy ball i don't think he had a whole pile of options.

On paper we had a much better pack starting that Connacht did, but in reality they killed our momentum repeatedly. I don't really think they bossed Munster's pack, but they stopped Munster's pack from doing anything. Connacht were aided to some degree by a ref who didn't let Munster keep the ball in the scrum and attempt to drive on.

molloyjh · 17-10-2021 12:14AM

Munster very lucky today. A dodgy yellow and a clear offside for the try in the first half both made a big difference. Munsters attack was very blunt and Carbery has become a big issue. Not sure where they go from here tbh. Hard to see any difference in previous seasons that may advance their cause at all tbh.

Cookiemunster · 17-10-2021 02:04AM

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Haven't seen any replays cause I was at the game, but there looked to be a blatent obstruction inside the 22 right in front of the ref that was ignored in the build up to pen that lead to the first Connacht try. Busby was poor for both sides, but other than coming back from 5 down at the end I wouldn't agree with 'very lucky'. Connacht themselves creates very little.

And you obviously didn't watch last week if you believe that there's no difference from last season. Even tonight things were being tried that we weren't seeing last year.

yerrahbah · 17-10-2021 09:09AM

Got away with one last night.

2nd match in a row where Connacht have made bits of our lineout.

Bar the first minute I thought our midfield defence did pretty well against Aki and Arnold

Like everyone I'm surprised the TMO didn't look at Cloetes try more closely.

Thought Hansen was lucky not to get a yellow card for his tackle in the air on O'Mahony.

For his own sake I'm glad Carbery made that conversion last night, headlines would not have been pretty if he hadn't

Akrasia · 17-10-2021 09:40AM

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Dodgy yellow?

molloyjh · 17-10-2021 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118031635#Comment_118031635

The Arnold card was harsh. Haley was dropping and the initial contact was to the shoulder before slipping up to the head. For me that was a penalty only.

TomsOnTheRoof · 17-10-2021 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118031954#Comment_118031954

The initial contact was head on head. Rightly or wrongly the onus is on the tackler to drop their height. That's why Arnold got a yellow.

molloyjh · 17-10-2021 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118031968#Comment_118031968

Ah okay, I missed the head on head. Was watching on a phone in the RDS.

leakyboots · 17-10-2021 01:03PM

Didn't think we deserved that to be honest. Connacht did a serious number on our lineout, we had them under pressure in the scrum.

Had POM not landed on their winger on the way down it could have been a very different result.

Joey is not at the races at all, thought he could have gone for more distance on his kicks to touch in the first half, in spite of the wind. I'd be starting Healy. Casey was poor enough too I thought.

I was concerned about our midfield but they actually marshalled Aki and Arnold well... but didn't exactly create much at our end - poor Zebo would have gotten frostbit on a colder evening in the second half. He looks sharp... although putting your hand up for a crossfield kick with 30 secs left on the clock and a slender lead was ambitious to say the least!

Beirne was the best player on the pitch I thought, that lightning quick steal on the deck was incredible. Him, Cloete and Coombes are lethal over the ball. He was offside for Cloete's try though, surprised that was given. Not many second rows could cushion a kick like that! Ref was poor for both teams to be fair and some of Murphy's officiating of the offside line was a joke.

This is becoming a bit of thing at this point of the season whereby the young guns show up well and when the more established players come back we're not firing on all cylinders. Barron has majorly put up his hand the last couple of games, Nash, Healy.

Congrats to Stephen Archer on passing Stringer and becoming the 4th most capped player of all time for us, what a servant.

17-10-2021 01:29PM

Barron and healy should be 1s now. Liam Coombes should be given a shot as backup 13

Jump_In_Jack · 17-10-2021 01:47PM

My Munster pick so far,

Loughman, Barron, Archer,

Beirne, Ahern,

O’Donoghue, Coombes, Cloete,

Cronin, Healy,

Zebo, Scannell, Coombes, Nash,

Haley.

TomsOnTheRoof · 17-10-2021 03:02PM

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I'd have POM at openside all day long. He's been very good so far this season. I'll never understand the appeal of Cloete, he seems to give awsy as many penalties as he wins and takes on far too much crash ball for a man of his size. A backrow of JOD, POM and Coombes, with Beirne at lock, provides more than enough poachers.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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