Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

DMURS is a farce of a thing. Biggest threat to safety, particularly cyclists in my opinion, in decades.

I know of at least 10 schemes around Dublin where roads and junctions and roundabouts were revamped according to DMURS specifications and the inherent dangers they introduced had to be rowed back on after local outcry. It has removed left slips, narrowed turning radii and changed yield priorities in some instances.

So bad was it that the 2013 version was substantially replaced in 2019. There was a supplement issued for Covid guidance, but in really it was toothless and without any sort of strategic basis.

You showed your true colours there TM.

The mark of a society is how it treats its most vulnerable and those with less of a voice. Thats why your zealotry won't be allowed succeed, in Dun Laoghaire or elsewhere.

Personal private transport will change - is already changing in fact - and there will be a greater rebalancing of safety and accessibility, but it won't be to the exclusion of one mode or another. You might as well get that notion out of your head early on.

When we develop out our public transport to the standard, relatively speaking, of Berlin, Paris and other cities, then we can have a legitimate in conversation on that level.

The carrot must precede the stick, it really is the only credible game in town.

"When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"

That first sentence 😂

The people i agree with make excellent points, the others not so much....

Funnily enough, the evidence around the world shows clearly that measures like pedestrianisation greatly increase consumer spending. There's a reason why Grafton St has some of the highest rents in Europe.

The only way to develop public transport to even a halfway decent standard in Dún Laoghaire, is to remove as many cars from the roads as possible and replace on-street parking with bus lanes. Parked cars hinder buses on almost every road into and out of the town. Glenageary Rd and the top half of York Rd are currently the only places where doing so is illegal, but it still happens regardless, and is largely unpoliced. You'll be a long time waiting for a carrot to precede a stick because even if hundreds of new buses were thrown onto the roads, they'd still be trying to squeeze past cars.

You're right Mav. It works in cases where alternatives are available or provided, but as a panacea, Burt's suggestion is nonsense.

Yes, if you buy a property without off street parking. You can’t rely on the public to provide you with parking in the public owned road outside your house.

Smoking in pubs was custom and practice for a century or more. Obnoxious, selfish customs change, thankfully. Sometimes people need to be nudged in the right direction.

There are too many cars nowadays to allow people to store them at their convenience in public areas. And they're bigger too. I can't think of a single road in or out of Dún Laoghaire that has on-street parking spaces wide enough to safely accommodate a modern parked car and passing buses. I know people who live in areas of Dublin where it's literally not possible to park outside their own houses. They solve this problem themselves either by renting secure spaces in the underground car park of a nearby apartment block, or getting rid of their cars altogether and availing of public transport and the occasional hire car.

A century. That’s a bit of a stretch. Many roads were built for horse and carts, bikes etc. Cars were an after though

look at street view vs the pictures

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-10-breffni-terrace-breffni-road-sandycove-co-dublin/3581407

I suggest you look at breffni road , all the houses there have just put off street parking in. For 500 years they have been parking on the road. The road is now much more passable.

So you don't think those 20k cars would have been largely owned by the landed gentry with their big houses, driveways and garages and all that?

Seems to me what you are suggesting is less nudge and more coercion?

Not to the same he extent , the population has exploded as has car ownership. The status quo can’t remain