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Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer/Gossip 23/24 - [New Thread Available]

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    You're fooling yourself with that line of thinking. The club is worth nearly £4bn. Newcastle cost £300m. Nobody is buying off the club off the Glazers for that money, not even oil rich Arabs. The only way they relinquish control is if they refloat the club on the stock exchange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Plus another half a billion to fix up the stadium and get the training facilities up to the standard required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    if you are buying something with debt you usually discount that from the price. barings bank was sold for £1 but all the debt was taken on.

    so 3 outcomes (if they sell):

    the glazers get 500m less

    the purchaser essentially needs to pay an extra 500m to clear the debt

    or its a similar owner who leaves the debt on the club



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Tbf, I'd rather the Glazers than the Saudis. I'd rather we stopped existing as a club rather than them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    what are peoples views if pogba signs a pre contract with someone in jan?

    personally i would relegate him to the reserves and never play him.

    i dont think he should be playing anyway; as has been said before he is a square peg in a round hole. and even that square peg, if surrounded by square holes, is not that good. few hollywood passes aside.

    worst case scenario as far as i am concerned, he becomes the best paid player in the PL for utd.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Absolutely, leave him rot, why waste time playing someone with no future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Ole will be under pressure to deliver trophies. If that goes wrong, he’ll get criticised for not playing Pogba.


    he should banish him if he signs a pre contract. But I can absolutely see him being too afraid of the backlash if he does and then we aren’t winning games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭TRC10


    There are bad owners, and there are bad owners

    The Glazers are aresholes but at least they don't kill people



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    i've being trying to square this in my own head and i still dont know what outcome i would reach.

    i read that Jamal Khashoggi's widow said allowing the takeover to happen was disgraceful.

    but there's a lot of stuff i ignore cos its doesn't affect my life, that was particularly heinous though.

    if trophies were delivered, would i be happy turning a blind eye? quite possibly in fairness.

    i dont begrudge newcastle fans at all for celebrating this. i just wish the premier league didnt let it happen in the 1st place (this predates newcastle). a tech billionaire, fine. but a state owned entity, not really. human rights notwithstanding, its against EU laws for state sponsored companies (effect of brexit, i dont know). but these are not EU states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    If Saudi Arabi operate at Newcastle like they do at home we could see rival managers imprisoned an/or possibly murdered.

    If a player scores a last minute winner against them, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them disappeared and/or tortured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    On a lighter note, or maybe not depending on how you find the late late show (terrible), the great dane is on it tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The Glazers will only sell once they believe they have extracted every last cent of value from the dead, decaying husk of the United brand and any buyer is vastly overpaying them for whatever is left. That is their mindset. I've said it before, but I think people miss it when they talk about top 4 as a Glazer priority - the Glazers are business people. They could not care less if United finishes in the top 4 or not. That will never be forced to sell by finishing outside the top 4.

    All they care about is return on their investment. United has failed dramatically for almost a decade in sporting terms, but it is still worth almost twice what it was in 2012. Competitive results and financial results are two entirely different things for the Glazers. United could languish in mid-table for the next 20 years, but so long as the Glazers think they can extract a return greater than their investment they will never sell. The Newcastle purchase means that ultimately United will fall out of top 4 because Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and now Newcastle will be wealthy clubs that are more competently run than United is. But United will keep paying the Glazers dividends regardless.

    The grim reality is that the Premier League has become an arms race between investment funds, sovereign wealth funds and dubious billionaires. Only the last two care in some distant way about football. Top level football is utterly amoral. Most of the top level players were not selected because they were decent stand up guys. Same for the managers and coaches. Everyone looks the other way when it benefits their own team. The Glazers are not nice and decent people. The only people who can afford to buy out the Glazers are also not the type of people who got that rich by being nice and decent people. The dream of a white knight billionaire owner with no strings attached doesn't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow


    Well if that is the stark reality then from a personal point of view I will have to walk away from supporting the club . I might be called certain things like a glory hunter or I'm not a real fan but that's how the glazers have us fans caught. They use our love for the club as leverage for their own greedy gains. At the end of the days the reason United is the juggernaut that it is is because of our success on the pitch under Ferguson . If hadnt been for that success the glazers wouldn'thave had any interest in us. Imagine we are paying a price for being successful . It should be the other way round . This taker over was madness when you think about it and shouldn't have been allowed to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow


    There is obviously corruption going on with a few big brown envelopes being handed out . When your talking about the sums of money and the character of the people involved corruption is inevitable. How is this deal ok but bskybs deal to buy United rejected? Football is becoming very distasteful with the money greed and corruption currently involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,563 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I reckon Brown envelopes headed to the FA with this Saudi deal.



  • Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One of the stipulations from the Premier League was that they had to unblock coverage of the Premier league in Saudi. Apparently they had the coverage from Bein Sports who hold the rights blocked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It was a spat between the Qatar owners of Bein sports and the Saudi regime. Ridiculous that the world turns a blind eye to everything going on in Saudi Arabia. It’s a dictatorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    There were videos online of barrels of oil being delivered to the FA headquarters yesterday morning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭Quandary


    Money will always dictate how rules and regulations get bent and tweaked to allow the extremely wealthy to get what they want.

    it’s nigh on impossible to stop.

    just look at the FIFA fair play rules. They have been made a mockery of.

    the whole thing is quite disheartening, but it is never going to change and anyone who genuinely believes it will is being very naive IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow


    Do you guys think Scott Mctominay is on the same level as Darren Fletcher was . Personally i think he is far inferior and Fletcher was one of our most underrated players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Hasn't hit the heights of fletch yet not, maybe never will. Before fletch got injured in the underage set up he was being touted as one of the most promising young players to come through though. For a good few years after that and then breaking into the first team he was ridiculed as being only in the team as he was fergies love child. He became very solid and consistent in his role as the years went on and has an immense amount of mental strength and character.


    Mctominay is still very young for his position and while he did have his development looked after initially in the first team by a top tactical coach we now have a very different style of manager whereas fletch had a consistent set up to help him along and nurse him through those first few hard seasons to get to a consistent level of performance.


    He never really hit the heights of a top class midfielder or anything, he was no Xavi, Keane, Kante like but a very solid one and a guy you could rely on for the big games.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Wouldnt be much in it. Fletcher was mainly a sub/rotation until he was 25ish and even then maybe he wouldnt have been a starter if Hargreaves hadn't been crocked.

    Scott potentially can be better as Darren had that illness in his prime years.

    That said Scott will need to keep progressing like Fletcher did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    At Scott's age Fletcher was ok. But Fletcher at his peak was far ahead of where Scott is now. Hopefully Scott can kick on.

    Post edited by ollkiller on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭ankles


    Sancho not pullng up any trees again against Andorra



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    decent assist there for tammy. playing off the left though. thought saka would be left and sancho right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow


    Didn't fergie play Hargreaves Fletcher Carrick Scholes Park all together in the big European away games at one stage. He even had Rooney out left and Ronaldo up top on his own . Extremely workman like and solid



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    He was very good, 2 great assists



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