Anti-British Xenophobia and Hatred in Ireland

30-09-2021 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959234#Comment_117959234

I was using the Greens as an example really, but yes it all basically comes down to tactical voting whether you get one vote, or a transferable vote.

Fanofconnacht · 30-09-2021 02:56PM

One English Political Party we need here urgently is the Monster Raving Lunatic Party. At the last election I did not want to vote for any of the parties so I ended up giving my No 1 to what I considered was the worst Independent on the Ballot after that my order of preferance was next worst Independent followed by least worst party (hard to differenciate between them). It would have been nice to have MRLP so that we could all focus our protest votes there.

Our current party choice is

FF\FG Incompetent \ Safe

SF Competent \ Dangerous

Greens Incompetent \ Dangerous

The Rest God Help us

Hotblack Desiato · 30-09-2021 03:22PM

I always wondered how the total lunatic independents (like the infamous "Jobs not Condoms" guy from the 90s) got any votes at all, but now I know! 😂

https://irishelectionliterature.com/2009/09/09/christian-principles-party-jobs-for-youth-not-condoms/

What reason would you have to say SF are competent? Their record up north is far from stellar.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-09-2021 03:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959230#Comment_117959230

It's how democracy works in most places which are not the UK or US - which are barely deserving of the label "democratic" these days given the massive influence of big business and tax-exempt billionaires.

Shebean · 30-09-2021 03:39PM

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I agree they are untested in the south but I wouldn't compare the power sharing and being beholden to Westminister as a guage.

What reasons would anyone have to say FF/FG are safe or competent with their records? I think the idea that 'at least FF/FG won't be running around in balaclavas robbing banks' is wearing off 😎

The Protestants up north were quite right to be fearful of catholic Ireland IMO. I think any xenophobia today is toward the British state and institutions. We are far too media savvy to be so small minded. I think any who feel like that now are either half wits or using the hate for their own agenda. We've generations who worked in the U.K. or have relatives living in the U.K..

30-09-2021 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959477#Comment_117959477

Single Transferable Vote?

Only Ireland and Malta use it I believe.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-09-2021 03:46PM

Proportional representation. The exact system used to achieve that is more or less irrelevant. But - kudos on the sidetrack.

Fanofconnacht · 30-09-2021 03:57PM

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We are probably drifting off topic but to answer your question. SF are the best organised, best funded, most disciplined and best staffed political party in the country and probably NI. I do not agree with their policies and would not vote for them but I have to give credit where credit is due.

They do not have the gombeen politicians that FF and FG have. Watch their media performances, very professional very competent they rarely say anything stupid.

If FF or FG were as competent as SF is as an organisation they would walk next general election.

Watch out at next election they will again increase their number of seats and will be harder to keep out of Gov although I expect we will continue to have an FF\FG\Others Coalition plus at next NI election they will prob have 1st Minister Role.

They have some crazy policies and there is the continuing suspicion that there are secret hands on the steering wheel but they are not an incompetent organisation far from it.

30-09-2021 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959573#Comment_117959573

It isn’t a side track. Proportional representation can mean many things. STV is only one type of PR.

30-09-2021 08:51PM

There is a long tradition of anti-Irish sectarianism in England. So it's only natural those at the other end would grow resentful. The Irish were portrayed as violent and ape-like in appearance in the English media until recent times.

Strazdas · 30-09-2021 09:24PM

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Yes, it's not really realised that Ireland was regarded as troublesome second class colony in the 19th century and a long way from being an equal of England. They were very much in the colonial mindset and the 'united kingdom' was united only in the sense that everyone accepted that England was top dog.

Anti-Irish racism and depicting Irish people as ape-like was the absolute norm.

30-09-2021 11:29PM

Until recent times?

I know there are plenty on here who like to live in the past, but I’d hardly call the 19th century “recent”.

CaitCat · 30-09-2021 11:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958851#Comment_117958851

I remember seeing an episode of Newsnight filmed in Blaenau Gwent where people said their biggest reason for voting for Brexit was immigration.

Blaenau Gwent is a county that's as white as a loaf of batch bread. Statistics show the population is declining annually so there is only an ageing population and nobody to look after them. They NEED immigrants. 🤦🏻‍♀️

01-10-2021 12:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117957342#Comment_117957342

really? The entire staff of the Irish independent. The “John Hume has blood on his hands”. RDS and Eilis O’Hanlons. Eoghan Harris.

01-10-2021 12:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959230#Comment_117959230

British folk should learn how democracy works across the world. Try and read what is going on in Germany right now.

01-10-2021 12:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959213#Comment_117959213

Prior to the famine the Irish population was closer than that to the English population. When the history of the 800 years is taught the divisions within Ireland are taught. However empires rule by divide and conquer, and some divisions were imported.

dd973 · 01-10-2021 12:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117957539#Comment_117957539

There's a lot of people in the London Overspill who are typical working/underclass Tories and rabidly monarchist, savagely thick, not the best examples of English people.

markodaly · 01-10-2021 02:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117961409#Comment_117961409

The ENTIRE staff of the Irish Independent.... ROFL!

Then you mention 3 people. Eoghan Harris was a member of Sinn Fein and then the Workers Party.

Flinty997 · 01-10-2021 08:59AM

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What do you mean. How were we closer.

Fandymo · 01-10-2021 09:36AM

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I doubt Blaenau Gwent popped up in that last 20 years. Mental that it would have lasted so long not needing immigrants, bu now suddenly it does.

Fandymo · 01-10-2021 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117961849#Comment_117961849

Pre-famine, Ireland’s population was about half that of England. Now Englands population is 15x that of Ireland.

Fanofconnacht · 01-10-2021 09:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117961849#Comment_117961849

Irelands Population was 8-8.5 million GB was around 17 million. Around 1/3 of the British Army was Irish at this time as well which would make sense.

01-10-2021 10:04AM

Brexit really stoked up anti English sentiment and to an extent legitimised it, because immigration was the biggest factor.

In the UK they had an actual debate about immigration policy, which included discussion about the impact on housing and public services. It was genuinely fascinating at times, and the BBC for example handled it extremely well. In this case the British were way ahead of Ireland, where immigration never even gets a mention in the many discussions on the housing crisis. In Britain they were mature enough to talk about policy, but still in Ireland people who know almost nothing about the level of debate there accuse the British of being racist knuckle draggers.

The Irish sense of superiority is built on very weak foundations. The British are more open to questioning assumptions, many things in Ireland are rarely questioned and that does have consequences. For instance low tax for foreign companies has been defended and defended over the last 11 years, but it was obvious that there was going to be a point where it'd have to change and our policy evolve.

01-10-2021 10:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117961849#Comment_117961849

Closer in population.

ancapailldorcha · 01-10-2021 10:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117962093#Comment_117962093

This is literally all wrong. Any evidence?

Flinty997 · 01-10-2021 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117962130#Comment_117962130

But what about this bit... "some divisions were imported."

pricker · 01-10-2021 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945095#Comment_117945095

Celtic in its time represented a downtrodden and oppressed Catholic minority in a British controlled Glasgow .... hence the anti British sentiment.

Re. the EU. We joined by choice and have been treated as an equal ..... very different to the UK treatment of Ireland. About 90% support to remain in the EU.

bob mcbob · 01-10-2021 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117961964#Comment_117961964

It has been thought by some that overpopulation was one of the reasons why the potato blight / famine was so devastating in Ireland.

Even today a Ireland's population (6.7M) is circa 80% of what it was then

fly_agaric · 01-10-2021 02:40PM

That old ape cartoon that was posted, really reminds me what a bunch of brutish savages our forebears were <shudder>.

Thanks heavens we have had the British as neighbours to civilise us, set our feet on the long path to progress.

We're damn lucky they didn't just eradicate us - in fairness they had hope in their hearts we could do better with some positive instruction and guidance.

And look at the country now! The voting system may be confusing and inefficient, not be First Past the Post as God ordains, but maybe that can be fixed with a referendum.

Brucie Bonus · 01-10-2021 03:34PM

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Johnson saying of Varadkar, 'Why can't he be called murphy like the rest of them'?

I grew up with stupid Paddy jokes on British television and Irish portrayed as the fools in films and the like.

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