Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

You didn't, I said it. Maybe if you read the post properly, you'd see that.

Few questions on that:

Would you confiscate the bike and who would have responsibility? The Garda Traffic Corps or maybe a special unit would be set up.

Would all children have to carry documents to prove their age and compliance with your proposed mandatory testing?

How would you deal with a say, a 5 year old on their bike outside their house, but in a public place? Would they have to carry documents? Would you take their bike?

Just asking, I have plenty more but we'll start with these.

TP, do you just cut and paste?

I suggest that you start with something more basic first, like the fundamentals of criminal law. No point in diving in at the deep end.

You're welcome. Pro bono advice this time.😁

Pat Kenny 'looks into it' every week on his show. That doesn't mean that anything is going to happen.

The 98% is from the most recent RSA Speed Survey.

The thing with cyclists is that they don't kill a few people each week, so if you're planning any clampdown on the road to improve safety, you're looking in the wrong place.

can you link the survey please as that doesnt tally with any that i can find.

road safety is everyones responsibility, even cyclists.

Another day of a lively discussion on this thread

you like to present yourself as a smart chap andrew, i presume you know that this doesnt support your accusation that 98% of drivers break urban speed limits.

At best it would support the assertion that from a very small sample size that 98% of drivers break one urban speed limit.

As for your knife throwing and fire eating routine, it makes sense now.

Study size is 16,672 vehicles btw.

No, not all the 16,672 cars were surveyed in a 30kph zone. Sample size is naturally going to be smaller given limited scope of 30kph roads. But you can't say it's unrepresentative or that the data is being cherry picked. You're also studiously ignoring the fact that most drivers speed in urban areas.

In an ideal world, there would be complete segregation between the road user groups and enforced at that. The very big nation wide problem is the complete lack of continuous i.e. non disruptive facilities.

For example, it is a very common problem to see parking in cycle lanes as well as actual designated parking spots on them. This forces cyclists to take to the main carriageway as it creates an abrupt stop. Another issue is poor maintanence of cycle lanes which gives rise to pot holes which again is not conducive for the use there of.

A lot of roads in the burrough of Dun Laoghaire itself are also two way, narrow and lack a footpath on some sections. Adding footpaths on some of these roads nevermind cycle lanes would encroach on the scarcity of road width between residential boundary walls. This holds true in large portions of Killiney, Dalkey, Glenageary and some parts of Sandycove.

The road network in the burrough wasn't designed holistically i.e. on the macro level to comfortably allow seamless permeability for all road user groups from pedestrian and cyclists up to buses and trucks. Addressing these issues properly would require a mixture of making narrow two way roads one-way, a whole heap of CPOs and in extreme cases structural demolition or relocation. Structural relocation has not been explored nearly as much as it could be where the owners of said structures are sentimental about them or if they are listed.

Consequently, the infrastructure in the burrow is a disjointed mess. Anyway, I'll leave it there.

If I read it correctly, its only those who live in expensive houses and pay high rates of property tax that shouldn't be subject to the threat of CPO. The plebs can look after themselves.

But that my interpretation, could be wrong?

But...properly segregated cycle lanes are used when they're put there. The Coastal Mobility Route is evidence of this with over 5000 trips per week. And it's proved its worth through the winter months too - a noticeable amount of school children use it, for instance. Just because you would put your bicycle away at the first sign of inclement weather doesn't mean that everyone else does.