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Anti-British Xenophobia and Hatred in Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    What deference? I think most people (Irish and others) are confused about the role of president. I don't think Irish people treat it as mostly position without much of a political role and therefore significance, except where it does. I would say its treated more of cultural ambassador. I think people outside of Ireland think it has more significance than it does. Perhaps that it has political relevance than it does.

    Also the role of the church in Ireland has very different dynamic to the population than say the the Church role in the UK. I'm not sure those differences are widely understood or appreciated. Also that relationship has radically changed in Ireland. Not so much in the UK.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    lived in the UK a few years now, so I'm over any Xenophobia aspects..... and I still don't particularly like them... nor they of me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    Most Brits are sound I find. It's their politicians I hate.


    Of course there is the scummy English element which are destestable but we have plenty of our own homegrown scumbags here.


    I do dislike when you encounter their general ignorance on anything Irish or on their own empire's history.


    I think if you separate most of the people from the empire/politicians you can legitimately hate Britain.

    Hating all Brits is just lazy and a bit ignorant. (And really stupid if you're a big Utd or Liverpool fan).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch


    A West Brit definition for me.

    1. Often found in the Pale. That is Dublin and parts of Wicklow, Louth, Meath and Kildare.

    2. By no means exclusive to the Pale, can be found anywhere in Ireland.

    3. It's a state of mind that British culture is superior to Irish. RTE, TG4 seldom watched etc.

    4. Is often a result of residual, post colonial inferiority.

    5. Irish language is sometimes held in disdain.

    6. Particular disdain for Gaelic games (described as bogball, stick games etc). Some West Brits posters on sites like Boards will start anti GAA rant threads. Will watch Brentford v Norwich over a Dublin v Mayo all Ireland in football, or Limerick v Cork in hurling.

    7. Can be associated with rugby in Leinster, especially D4. Not as much provincially.

    8. Affected accents. High intonation at the end of a sentence. Country wannabes who head to Dublin and other cities lose their own accent in less than 3 months.

    9. Major preoccupation with British royal weddings, Harry and Meghan etc. Particularly among females.

    10. In politics, ala John Bruton, a tendency to take the side of unionism, however irrational. Have a smug sense of moral and intellectual superiority. Would attend the licking of a stamp on a unionist envelope and argue it's a massive gesture towards, peace, reconciliation and brotherhood.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I dunno, Irish telly can be quite shite at times



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch


    That's true but the West Brit will always watch Sky or BBC News over Rte. Not talking Fair City so much, though they will watch EastEnders or Coronation Street over it. The tendency not to watch Rte for any programme is more prevalent. They are much more UK focussed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Britain's got over thirteen times the population so there's going to be a far greater chance that they are going to produce better television and films and have a much more diverse and sustainable arts and music scene than we can hope to achieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    And it isn't only Ireland that has that "cultural memory" of distrust of Britain either. You can go to plenty of places throughout Europe and Asia and hear the same mutterings. The British Empire left a mark on many countries throughout the world that will take a long time to erase. Certainly more than 100+ years that's for sure. In addition the fallout of that Empire, as exemplified by our own situation and their partitioning of the North, left an even deeper residue of that Imperial period that made moving on significantly more difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch


    British people are fine. No matter what the nationality most are fine people and a few bad eggs.

    We have a bit of history with English governments! A minority who follow their football team would put you off supporting them.

    Hating the English is ridiculous, life's too short for such rubbish. We have a lot of connections with the UK, while being proud of our own identity.

    This thread seems to have stemmed from Michael D's decision not to attend the Northern event. He was dead right not to mark partition. Nothing he did, or those of us who support him, in anyway equates to hating English/British people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭indioblack


    On one visit to my relatives in Cork I was sitting in a pub with some of my Irish cousins, [there are always Irish cousins - they almost qualify as a seperate ethnic group]. One of them had brought her husband along, a man I had never met. Almost immediately after our introduction he enquired, as if he was talking to a particularly backward 8 year old, if I knew what happened in 1916. We were in a pub, in Ireland, in Cork - so 1916 only meant one thing. Our ensuing debate went gradually downhill as I discovered there were a couple of aspects of Easter Week and it's aftermath that he appeared to be unaware of. He had made the not unreasonable assumption that I was woefully ignorant of Anglo-Irish history, and I couldn't blame him for that.

    I can't recall learning anything useful at school about our shared, [mostly unwilling], history.

    Over the years I've attempted to remedy this deficiency by the cunning use of...........books.

    Perhaps there should be some compulsion, some requirement, that people should be educated about certain areas of history. Maybe.

    In my case, with one Irish parent and regular contact with the town where she was born, I provided the compulsion to learn a bit myself.

    My first rule was - before reading anything, consider the author. Who they are, where they're from, what is their angle, what's their message, what bias do they have - everybody has an angle of approach, it's unlikely to find someone with a genuinely objective view in this business.

    It's no secret that the English know little about this shared history.

    It's also been my experience that some Irish people, [perhaps more than a few], know less about Anglo-Irish history than they would like to think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That very much depends on what "English" you're talking about. In general, my experience has shown me that we are closer in relation to Northerners than we would be to people in the South.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Praxis


    I am Irish, my wife and 3 kids were born in England but moved here when they were toddlers, I have lived and worked for many years in England and have never ever witnessed or experienced the brutal racism for being English that my wife and kids have been subjugated to through the years, I am often ashamed of the dismissive comments from many as it's only a bit of fun! It's NOT, let's call it what it really is - racism plain and simple by a group of people still living in the past clinging to an identity and a victim mentality that should remain in the past and has no place in modern society. It's time to move on... my kids are in their twenties now, and I have so many regrets about bringing them here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,943 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Agree OP even some of the boardies who live in the UK seem to hate everything English, best to come back over here if they hate the place so much!

    Also see the anti English crap on the joke of an Ireland subreddit. Quite embarrassing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    This thread seems to have stemmed from Michael D's decision not to attend the Northern event.

    This, exactly, and it's no surprise that he OP was one who was crying about it either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't hate the place, just a lot of the people... I'm down south though, the empire is still very much alive down this way, and I am very much looked upon as a lesser for being Irish in a lot of places...

    Northerners are great, would probably thrive socially somewhere like Manchester or Liverpool, but I can't stand crap weather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    If this is the case then 90% of the population is West Brit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    In my experience, the average Londoner knows very little about the North of Ireland situation. A mix of misinformation and not arsed. Irish is Irish. They wouldn't know what a Unionist is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    When I was younger we lived in England for a wee while. Numerous people, literally, thought that the entire country was a war zone and there were bombs going off every week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    To be fair up to the 90s there were bombs and shootings every week in the North. No doubt a lot of people in other countries didn't realise how concentrated it was on the six counties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    Spoke to a woman in London once who thought Belfast and Dublin were up the road from each other throwing bombs at each other.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    London is London.... it's far too diverse to be the litmus test of British ideals


    I'm on the south coast... a pub close by is called the Cromwell... I get asked do I do tarmac regularly when people hear my accent as a sly dig (there's being facetious, this is usually vindictive, and I know the difference and no it's not a skewed view).... they don't believe me when I tell them I'm an engineer working on some critical infrastructure projects... an Irish person couldn't come to England to do something like that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    It's disinterest. If there was shootings and bombings in Ipswich, you'd know it was in Ipswich and not assume it was Liverpool too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Even at the height of the troubles there weren't shootings and bombings every week.

    However, the surprising thing was just how little many people in England knew of what was happening in Ireland and just how contained it actually was. Even as a kid I had to explain numerous occasions that the only time I heard about someone being shot was on the news.

    In the end, I suppose it was just an eye opener to how little people in general know about much of anything that isn't going on on their immediate doorstep. Bear in mind, that this was before the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,561 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tipperary on a Saturday night back in those days really gave the country a bad name in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Tipperary constantly gives Ireland a bad name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    There absolutely were shootings every week even at the least dangerous spell of the Troubles, not as many bombs but there were heaps of them, not all lethal, many of them failed to detonate or were foiled, but to say there weren't shootings and bombings every week at the height of the Troubles is way off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,561 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think he means all over the country. Very few or no bombs and sectarian shootings in the vast majority of Ireland at any time in living memory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm not getting into an argument about the frequency of shootings and bombings here. The point you're missing is sheer level of ignorance about what was going on in the country amongst a lot of people in England. I even recall one guy having a conversation with my old man in which he thought that the British Army were in an actual shooting war in the entirety of the country. It was frankly astonishing.



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  • Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    did you get the "Chat"?

    I was talking with a group of English people I know who live here and we had a bit of a joke about how every now and then, you meet someone who with the very best of intentions, feels it is their obligation to give you a bit of an education about Irish history. Usually it is completely wrong 😂

    I also still laugh at the people who, despite me living here for over fifteen years, still ask how long I am visiting for, or people who ask for directions and don't believe what I am saying because I am "clearly not from around here" 🤣

    In fairness, it is mainly the older ones who probably aren't that used to the number of immigrants there are now in Ireland.



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