FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Brucie Bonus · 24-09-2021 01:44PM

Be interesting to see how this Slaintecare situation evolves, just before the traditional, never saw it coming, people on trolleys in the corridor yuletide festivities. I wonder will the private care homes throw the tax payer a few bed spots?

Brucie Bonus · 24-09-2021 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931503#Comment_117931503

Is this one of those ones were you are exempt if you have a big toe on each foot?

THE DÁIL HAS passed a controversial amendment that allows funds to side-step 10% stamp duty if they lease back houses to the State for social housing.

Last month, the government moved to introduce a new 10% rate of stamp duty on bulk purchases of 10 homes or more last month.

However, the amendment that came before the Dáil this evening will exempt institutional investors from the charge under these circumstances. Jul 7th 2021

Brucie Bonus · 24-09-2021 06:49PM

I get great laugh when I read this type of thing:

Councillor David McManus of Fine Gael supported the deal, saying that the country is in the middle of a housing crisis and that affordable and social housing is needed now, not in ten years' time.

You would think Fine Gael only got into office this morning.

Sure more of the same will fix it 😏

McMurphy · 24-09-2021 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934620#Comment_117934620

He's a fairly dimwitted individual that fella, witnessed him get torn to shreds one day when he was giving it large about (think it was Pearse Doherty) a shinner "leaking something" on twitter that they literally had obtained via get ready......

Freedom of information. I'm not messing. 🤣

He's fairly shameless that lad, wouldn't be the fizziest can of pop in the fridge if you get my drift.

dudley72 · 24-09-2021 08:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934620#Comment_117934620

I guess this is from this article.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0913/1246534-proposal-public-land/

Yurt2 · 24-09-2021 08:45PM

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Yurt2 · 24-09-2021 08:47PM

Edit: forgot I was banned from this thread. Deleted.

Brucie Bonus · 24-09-2021 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934992#Comment_117934992

Yes. Cheers.

rob316 · 24-09-2021 09:44PM

This 1bn COVID bonus package is nothing more than good PR for a deeply unpopular government. Don't think anyone should be getting a "bonus" to be honest.

skimpydoo · 24-09-2021 10:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117935318#Comment_117935318

Not even a Brucie Bonus.

dudley72 · 24-09-2021 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117935318#Comment_117935318

Why wouldn't people get a bonus?

We have people sitting at home on their arse's on PUP the entire pandemic, yet we have front line workers risking their health and families health for what, a clap at the end of the day? we should take the money from the PUP and hand it to all of those people, especially the nurses in the HSE. PUP alone cost 6 billion.

Not sure why anyone would complain about that?

Shebean · 24-09-2021 11:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931500#Comment_117931500

So you understand that the state can pay a developer to build on our behalf? Well done. I am all on board.

However, what we see is a developer building and then leasing or selling to us. That's something I've a problem with. I want opposition to block that.

You are essentially selling that all the problems caused by FG and supported by FF, will now be solved, and about damn time too, by the very boyos caused it, by repeating some of the same things and copying the London model which everyone bar FF/FG/Greens say will fail. You'll excuse my unwillingness to buy that line of scutter.

Brucie Bonus · 25-09-2021 01:58PM

So 68 millionaires in the Dail and many are landlords and property investors. I wonder might it colour government policy? Surely not? Is this why they support the tax payer leasing rentals? Say it ain't so?

One-quarter of the 160 TDs are landowners or property investors, with some renting up to four properties.

Fianna Fáil’s Seán Haughey owns properties that are estimated to be worth €2.8m, including two rentals in Kinsealy and Portmarnock, Co Dublin.

Fine Gael TD Michael Creed, a former agriculture minister, is letting a commercial unit on the main street in Macroom, Co Cork, which includes three apartments. He is also renting out two other residential properties and lists his occupation as a landlord. His properties are estimated to be worth around €1.1m.

Sinn Féin TD for Meath West Johnny Guirke, who was elected for the first time in 2020, owns four properties which are being let. Three are owned by him and the fourth is in the name of Moylagh Construction, a company he is director of. No other Sinn Féin TD is a landlord or has invested in property according to the Register of Members’ Interests for last year.

In Cabinet, Health Minister Stephen Donnelly rents two properties – an apartment in Sandyford, Co Dublin and a house in Clara, Co Offaly.

CAB should have taken everything off the Haugheys IMO.

Yurt2 · 25-09-2021 02:21PM

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titan18 · 25-09-2021 02:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924621#Comment_117924621

What makes you think FF or FG will succeed with housing in the south when they've failed in the south though.

Brucie Bonus · 25-09-2021 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937629#Comment_117937629

Because FF/FG are going to fix the mess made by FG/FF by doing the exact same things! :)

Suckit · 25-09-2021 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937874#Comment_117937874

And make their friends and themselves wealthier while doing it.

skimpydoo · 25-09-2021 10:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937874#Comment_117937874

If you went back in your Delorean 20 years, you will see what today will look once they finish their latest housing plan.

markodaly · 27-09-2021 06:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933247#Comment_117933247

What has that got to do with the points I was making?

dudley72 · 27-09-2021 09:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937392#Comment_117937392

Maybe you could point to the original article? I guess it is this one: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/michael-healy-rae-is-d%C3%A1il-s-biggest-landlord-and-declares-nyt-shares-1.4496338

Seems like selective copying out of the article. First off the Dail works based on a majority to pass and policies. You said 1/4 are landowners so straight away that's not a majority.

Then we look into the numbers and it seems across all the parties we have landlords and landladies. Everyone is well aware of the Healy Rae family buying properties from Nama to build the empire, but it seems most people don't care about that carry on.

I am struggling to see how 1/4 of the TD across all the parties have the ability to change policies to work in their benefit, maybe you could explain?

Brucie Bonus · 27-09-2021 02:31PM

I cannot post links.

I pasted the part I was commenting on. You need to report any problems with my posting to the mods. Otherwise why I post some things and not others is not your concern.

I posed the question would one quarter of the ministers being landlords and property investors colour their policies.

You are answering my question by repeating it back to me.

I don't know. I would guess yes as we have a number if liars and cheats at top levels.

Having so many millionaires who made money on property during a decade long housing crisis is concerning to me.

You've no concerns?

dudley72 · 27-09-2021 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945599#Comment_117945599

As I said before, you can easily provide information on the article in question without linking the source.

I didn't repeat back the question, I gave you my opinion. I asked a question which of course as par the course here you ignored. As I pointed out above 1/4 of TDs spread across multiple parties don't have a majority.

Now the issue would be if a political party came into government which was also a large owner of properties. Then you would have a huge conflict of interest do you not think?

Floppybits · 27-09-2021 03:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945641#Comment_117945641

As you say that the Landlord TD's are spread across all parties I am sure you have no problem providing the list of the Landlord TD's and the Parties that they belong too? Just so that it is clear and transparent.

dudley72 · 27-09-2021 03:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945780#Comment_117945780

Read the thread

Brucie Bonus · 27-09-2021 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945641#Comment_117945641

I didn't bother with your goal post shifting irrelevance.

Would so many having skin in the property game colour policy?

You can debate if their are enough to do that. That's valid. It doesn't negate my question or concern that we likely, IMO, have TD's who are in a position to vote for their pocket over the tax payer. That should concern everyone.

Why are you intent on dismissing and dodging my question?

dudley72 · 27-09-2021 03:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945860#Comment_117945860

I answered your question. Do you not think it would be more concerning that a political party with a huge interest in property was in power and have a majority? then they could actually change and implement policy to suit their requirements?

BKelly21 · 27-09-2021 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945925#Comment_117945925

We've been there and done that, FF were the party of the developers (do you remember the Galway tent?) which we replaced with FG, the party of the landlords and vulture funds.

Floppybits · 27-09-2021 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945925#Comment_117945925

So you are answering a question with a question. I haven't see you answer any of the posters questions.

Shebean · 27-09-2021 04:27PM

Dodgy dealing FF/FG make their personal millions from property renting and investing, while making policies that suit investors and fail the public. Seems very clear cut to me.

MBE220d · 27-09-2021 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117945860#Comment_117945860

Should Eoin O Broin be front and centre of SF housing policies, would being a renter also colour his policies, seem to me like he is anti-landlord, it's all about renters in his book because he rents.

Funny that he cant afford to buy a house, must be awful for him to have to play along with his voters.

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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