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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    But I'm not defending their online implementation. I pay for it for the old games and it's a great price for what it offers I feel. Paying for online play though is a scam no matter what the system.

    To throw it back at you it never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to jump in and defend a corporation charging for online play when it's been free for years and continues to be free on pc. And component shortages aren't a defense as you really don't need to have the most up to date pc to play games on pc.

    Paying for online is a scam.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Paying for online is definitely a scam, and Nintendo's scam is by far the worst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    you don't need a great pc to play any of the old games, but best of luck getting something that'll run modern games at high resolution and framerate.

    I'm also not defending console manufacturers either, but its fair to say, you'll have a lot of years worth of PS plus or XBL bought by the time you've gathered the price of even a middling GPU at the moment.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    And why is that? Have you even got a Switch?

    It's 20 instead of the 60 asked by the other two and the price alone is worth it for me for the access to the library of games they give you. The tetris, mario and pac man games have been great as well. It's a third of the price of the other two.

    Not saying it's great but for me at least it has a hook and is cheap enough for me to begrudgingly pay for it whereas the other two I'm perfectly ok not to subscribe.

    As someone that spent a lot of money on a new PC, there's not a whole lot to actually justify one of the new GPUs. I'd have been perfectly happy with my old rig. You really don't need a monster PC to run games are reasonable graphical settings either.

    You are also ignoring all the savings you make on cheaper games and the wealth of freebies on PC as well as the fact that a PC isn't just for games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    keep moving the goalposts along, whether or not you're happy with playing stuff at 1080p or not is irrelevant, if you can buy a much cheaper console that'll do upscaled 4k, straight out of the box for €299, and comes with a €70 controller and doesn't need any additional peripherals to get up and going.

    The consoles' digital storefronts have sales as often as PC does at this stage, I'm not as Au-fait with Sony, but XBL are giving away 4 games a month (most of which are the same as have been given away on consoles) and then you've gamepass added into the mix, which gives you access to a crazy amount of titles on xbox, pc, and mobile, as well as remote play with cross save / progression, and discounts on buying those games if you like them.

    The Mad thing is, over the last 2 years, I've become a primarily PC gamer, and one thing it most certainly isn't, is cheap. But its allowing me to have unique experiences like Escape from Tarkov.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Well I agree that the current consoles represent good value for money considering the tech inside them but it's not always been like that. Plenty of times in the last 15 years when a decent PC was a better choice and online subscriptions were a lot tougher to swallow.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion



    PC gaming certainly can be cheap outside of the PC itself. Xbox game pass works on PC. Games usually release a bit cheaper on PC and get discounted heavily enough pretty quickly. Then you have Epic giving away games every week. No ongoing costs for online services. The expensive part of PC gaming is the PC itself and that is pretty recent thanks to the hardware shortages. Even about 12 months ago, I was looking at gaming PCs for someone and you could get a prebuilt PC (I think it was from AWD) with a Ryzen 3600, 8GBs RAM, SSD and 8GB 580 for about €650 I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr



    did it come with a keyboard / mouse / mousepad / speakers /monitor? - these are often left out when comparing one with the other - whereas everyone has a TV for a console to hook up to. Specially the monitor, if you've a high spec PC, no point in skimping on a monitor.

    I'm not being deliberately argumentative tbh - its just worth giving both sides a fair appraisal.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That kind of stuff carries over from build to build. You only really take that into account if you need them. You can do without speakers with a decent headset which can be used on console.

    I do need a monitor myself but I'd had my current 3440x1440 one for years while the consoles were struggling with yo get a stable 30 fps on at 720p. You also need a new 4K TV to get the most out of a new console.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    There was a bundle you could get that included a keyboard and mouse for about £20 if I remember right. I can't remember if that was included in that price above. He was just going to use it hooked up to a TV so didn't need a monitor and speakers.

    PC gaming can be expensive but it can be relatively cheap (outside of the current parts shortage of course). You don't need a high end monitor for PC gaming or a high spec PC. Saying PC gaming is expensive because you may as well get a high end monitor is like saying console gaming is expensive because you might as well buy a 65" 4k 120Hz TV and a few Xbox Elite controllers.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    My Logitech G11 and G500 still holding up strong. G11 is definitely well over 10 years old and the G500 was a warranty replacement for my MX510 that developed a weird clicking issue.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,730 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The current situation is obviously beyond ludicrous with PC hardware, but I’d say it also wasn’t particularly cheap before the chip shortage hit. You could build an alright PC relatively affordably, but a good, future proof one was always a bit of an investment. Worth it generally though.

    We’re definitely in a position now though where the new consoles are definitely extremely good value given the performance you get and PCs an absolute rip off (albeit temporarily). Obviously the best GPUs are more powerful, but they’re near impossible to get at the same time. Will be interesting to see if demand finally settles in 2022.

    PC still has an edge in software affordability, especially with new console game RRP. Steam sales aren’t as generous anymore - an average PSN sale is just as good honestly - and Humble Bundle has gone downhill since IGN took it over. But then Game Pass is a tremendous deal for Xbox and PC, and the free Epic games haven’t stopped flowing .



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Even excluding the current situation with GPUs being hard to get and ludicrously over priced, I think the current gen consoles are good value. The level of performance they offer for the price is pretty good. When you take into account the GPU issues, then the current gen consoles are practically a bargain.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Well, I have to admit, when I posted about Nintendo charging for a new tier of Nintendo Online, I didn't think for a second that it'd turn into a contest between console and PC. Ah well, sorry about that.


    As it is, yeah, some stuff in gaming can be expensive, both PC and console, but being honest, this is probably one of the cheapest hobbies around. I look at the money that others spend on golf, or souping up their car, and am shocked at the figures they spend.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,730 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    That second paragraph suggests you haven’t tried to buy a GPU recently 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    A different kind of GPU ...

    Game Pass Utlimate for 3 years for ~ 120 quid is a bargain. My only problem is that I don't have enough time.

    The most unforgivable gaming first world gouging is Nintendo only allowing one Animal Crossing save/island per console.

    My kids learned how to share that one island. But it really soured the experience for them.

    But it's totally crazy how they get away with this. It was the same with the 3DS version.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    3DS has limited save space per cartridge.

    Absolutely no excuse for it on switch though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    I see The Initiative are partnering with Crystal Dynamics on Perfect Dark. Apparently the former are still relatively small - maybe they've had trouble hiring during the pandemic. I think a few of their camp are former CD employees anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    As long as it's not by way of Crystal Dynamic's Black Widow!



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I'll go a step further.

    Perfect Dark was never good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    It was good, but was prevented from being great by the naff alien stuff. Hopefully this one will stick to more grounded near-future sci-fi. Interestingly they're describing it as a first person espionage game, so it'd be nice if they emphasise that angle and it wasn't an out and out shooter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Agree!

    That last thing the Xbox needs is another shooter. Hopefully this game is more than just point n click murder + press a to continue.

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    . .

    . .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Thats why Kojima is special. All this third wall stuff. Was mind blowing way back when in MGS1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Hasbro have apparently set up a AAA studio tasked with developing games based on some of their IPs. I think they already own Wizards of the Coast who have their own studios (and are developing a GI Joe game), but I don't know if this one is going to be in addition to that or not, or separate from WotC. Anyway, there's plenty of decent IPs there for them to work with; Transformers, Power Rangers, Micro Machines, Action Man to name a few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Micro Machines V3 remake!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    My bad, I should've quoted the post above mentioning Hasbro's IPs which includes Micro Machines. Just saying it would be cool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭recyclops


    The last micro machines game was fairly poor sadly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's just proof you can't trust public polls. The same public that voted for Johnson and trump and buy Coldplay albums.

    Good taste isn't predicated on sales and popularity.

    And neither does it make david cage any less of a hack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Meh, they are what they are. They're designed to create debate and drive traffic to the site. Much the same as the Rolling Stone top 500 songs a couple of weeks ago. They have zero impact what I enjoy or think is good.

    Didn't see any David Cage games in there thankfully (unless I'm going blind) but I'll say no more about him lest I upset some of the more sensitive souls on here.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm not sure any poll that pits Civilisation IV against an Assassin's Creed game can be considered a fair bellwether of gaming



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I do enjoy a curated list from experts in the field but a public vote is just noise. I mean it's come down to Skyrim and Grand Theft Auto V not because they are deserving I'd argue but because they are to two best selling games on the last 20 years or more and are still in the public conscious. That's all a popular vote tells you.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    In actual gaming news it looks like Eurogamer is going behind a paywall for a lot of it's content, mostly the editorials, opinion pieces and podcast. The editorials and opinion pieces are my favourite part of the site so it's a bummer but it's indicative of the sad state of affairs of game journalism that one of the last places to for good games journalism is going behind a pay wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,500 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Two levels as well. Standard is priced at £3.99/$4.99 per month, and Premium (which has exclusive articles) is £5.99/$7.99. Savings when being paid annually. Its steep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    I dunno, Eurogamer used to be my favourite source for games news and reviews but I feel they've gone downhill a lot in recent times.

    They have a couple of reviewers who seem to love using a review as an excuse to write a long pretentious thought piece about some interest of theirs that is tangentially related to the game, and barely cover the game itself during the review.

    Then there's the soapbox reviews - e.g. the latest FIFA 22 review where the reviewer admitted he didn't touch career mode (a large and deep feature that's completely free of IAP and has tons of content which has apparently had a bunch of changes this year, not that I could tell you what they were after reading the review) and instead only played the one mode that has lootboxes in it, then spent the entire review raging about lootboxes the same way as he does every year, while barely talking about what changed from FIFA 21. Lootboxes are bad, sure, I get it, but that was also the case last year and hasn't changed. You can still play the game and enjoy some of the many other modes without engaging with lootboxes and it would be nice if he at least touched upon whether or not that is worth doing.

    To look at some other recent examples, there was the Kena review where they decided to get pre-emptively offended about some of the symobology used in the game on behalf of people in Asia who don't seem to have an issue with it, or their recent Lost Judgment review where they basically decided the game doesn't have a right to explore mature themes because it's fun, a criticism that nobody else seems to share - I'm playing the game at the moment and very much enjoying it. And their attack on It Takes Two because the reviewer seemed to have some personal hangup about divorce was pretty bizarre.

    All reviews are ultimately subjective of course, but there are different levels of subjectivity and it feels that to a large extent they've moved away from the old fashioned informative review format that talks about game mechanics etc which they used to do, and have moved into this new format where the reviewer just has free reign to pontificate about whatever they want and you come away none the wiser about whether it's a game you should buy.

    Digital Foundry remains excellent, though maybe not so relevant for consumer information these days when all games perform excellently on both consoles, but they still produce some articles that make for interesting reading.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Unless I'm going completely blind, is it not God of War and Grand Theft Auto V?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭recyclops


    Yeah it looks to be but silent hill 2 is not even there so the whole thing is null and void and whilst that is my opinion, I will happily say anyone who doesn't think it should be in the top 100 is wrong and wont be changed on it



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    It's a list of 64 games. It couldn't even get past the last 16. That is indicative that it isn't that highly thought of by the tens of millions of players that have played it.

    So even with their massive player base advantage, Skyrim failed to get past the last 16 in a 64 game competition, that's a big loss for Skyrim and for you.

    I'm glad that this discussion is now settled and it's time to move on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Lads, I've haven't seen such a withering putdown since the glory days of Dorothy Parker. You're just going to have to accept that Phantom Pain has in fact given you the L. It may take you some time to come back from this but I'm sure your friends and family are on hand to offer support during this devastating time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,730 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    TBH I think the Eurogamer approach to a subscription model is about as good a compromise as any. Very similar to the Guardian approach, although with a very small amount of subscriber only content (the editor mentions it’ll likely be 1-2 articles a week, one of which seems to be an ‘off topic’ sort of deal). Not a fan of the two tiers though - one simple ‘fiver for everything’ deal seems like the fairer way to do it.

    As an aside: I’d disagree entirely that a review can be the wrong kind of ‘subjective’. A review by its very nature is an opinion and critical response to a work - as long as it at least engages with the work being reviewed at some core capacity, the final written piece can be whatever the hell the writer wants it to be as far as I’m concerned.

    There is no shortage of standard, consumer-focused video game reviews out there - indeed, some popular YouTubers overly present their conclusions as an answer to ‘should you buy it?’. There’s an absolute abundance of that type of review of anyone who simply wants to know the answer to that simple question. The more analytic or personalised responses are few and far between in comparison, so I only applaud the outlets that let writers do their thing, whatever direction that might take them. Alas a reality of the modern media is that writers rarely get assigned to robustly revisit or critique games beyond the review (some outlets and YouTubers do, of course, but it’s relatively rare especially with so many games vying for attention on embargo day), so really that main review gig should be an opportunity to see something unique and insightful from an distinct perspective.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    First closing the forum, then pivoting to a subscription model? That's a big swerve from EuroGamer; was there a buyout or recent change of ownership?

    I don't begrudge anyone's desire to make money, but those two decisions look set to lose a lot of community and goodwill from its previous readership.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    It's a fairly arbitrary list, plenty of better games weren't included. Which shows that it's just a popularity contest. You're really reaching if you think making such a list is an indicator of quality.

    But even in the popularity contest, where Skyrim would have been of the favourites due to it's sales figures, it didn't even get to the quarter finals. As I said, that indicates that it isn't that highly thought of by the millions of people that played it.

    Now, moving on, I'm trying to decide on which is worse, Skyrim or Deathloop 🤣



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    IGN if they had any morals at all would hand over the IP addresses of every person that voted for Apex Legends over Super Metroid so they could be added to a FBI/Interpol watchlist.

    Sociopathic maniacs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    There was a user in the TV forum a few years ago; he'd start these random "which is the better show" polls, picking sometimes unrelated series that were real chalk & cheese situations. To be fair the guy was enthusiastic and obviously trying to engage in discussion, but the picks felt so arbitrary at times, it seems redundant to pit the shows against each other. There was no commonality to thread an argument for or against.

    This IGN poll feels equally bizarre: Burnout 3 vs. Chrono Trigger? Starcraft vs. God Of War??




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,730 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It’s their owner ReedPop more than likely, who are sadly little better than most corporate owners. The optics of it coming so close to the forums closing aint great, and I’m sure the editorial team would be the first to admit that.

    That said, I wouldn’t quite call it a pivot - the vast majority of the core content is unaffected by this, and even the podcast will just go up a bit later for everyone who isn’t subscribing. I find it hard to begrudge any outlet or creator going for some sort of subscription model given declining ad revenue - the Patreon model of ‘vast majority of content free to access, bonuses for subscribers’ seems to work well for lots of creators.

    Better to have multiple revenue options rather than just quadruple down on ads. Kotaku is nigh on unbearable these days with the sheer volume of ads.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




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