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Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He's been battling to hang in the top fifty all year. A win gives him his tour card for two years so that's pressure off now that he is spending most of his time residing over in the US.

    It also gives you confidence and belief which is really important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    He has a 5 year tour card exemption from the Open, so he's good through 23/24

    Of course he'd love a win and he might even win the PGA in a couple of weeks.

    I just don't think he'll be chasing weakened fields to get it. His schedule will be based around performing his best in the biggest events.

    I imagine he'll take a break after the Ryder Cup and play the HSBC, if he needs a tune up for that he'll play one of the PGA events.

    He didn't play the DP championships at the end of last year because he wanted to spend time with his family and it'll be similar again this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,636 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    He'll get about 3 world ranking points for his T26th, which equates to 6 world points.


    Gives him a slight boost on the people behind him on the list (Perez, fleetwood etc), but still leaves him 20 points behind Westy who will have picked up about 4 world points himself.


    Sergio might get around 15 world ranking points for his tied 6th, which will be 30 world points. It will move him to 191 which would put him about level with Perez on the list, still 40 points behind Shane.

    Wiesberger will also get about 30 world points courtesy of his 2nd place finish in europe, which will also put him in the 190's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭dublin49


    hard not to see Wiesberger getting the 100 odd points he needs to overtake Rory so looks like Shane will need a pick.I think he will get the nod ahead of Rose as he has been probably the second best European player behind Rahm on PGA over last 3/4 months ,maybe Casey or Poulter run him close .Sergio, Poulter and Shane for me.I would imagine Haro is raging Rory isnt playing BMW as he does well there and would likely out score Wiesberger and keep Shane in.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    "I would imagine Haro is raging Rory isnt playing BMW"

    Bang on, why isn't he?

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  • Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shane has a good record at Wentworth himself so he might well do what is needed. I see he is back home today anyway so a few days off no doubt and get going again with his preperation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Second best European behind Rahm has been an Irishman but not Shane. Seamus Power has a win, another four top ten finishes, two more top twenties, a tied 31st and a 60th place finish since the middle of May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Bit of a reach with that comment really, considering his win was in an alternate field event and his best finish this year besides the win was 8th. He's done well, but let's not kid ourselves by claiming he has been the 2nd best European.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ok then, name the other players with that many top tens since May.

    I did say since May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭abff



    I think you need to take the strength of the fields into account. If we look at the number of world ranking points each of them has earned since the beginning of May, Shane has earned 68.46 points compared to 51.72 for Seamus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭abff


    Presumably it's because he will have played 8 out of 10 weeks, including 3 playoff events, a major, a WGC and the Olympics. It's his poor performances in the Irish Open, Scottish Open and the Open Championship that have led to Wiesberger being so close to passing him in the European points list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Take out the majors that Seamus wasn't in and it's 51.72 to something like 23.

    Like Shane got 11 points for tied 12th in the Open and 23 for tied 4th in the PGA Championship. Hell he even got 1.5 points for tied 65th in the US Open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Why wasn't he in them? Hard to believe "the second best European" on the PGA tour could miss out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He wasn't in them because he didn't play well enough to be in them. We all know that. We are specfically talking about form from May this year. You stlll haven't name one European golfer with anything like the consistent performances on the PGA tour that Seamus has had in that time frame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭OEP


    You can hardly exclude the points Shane got for doing really well in the strongest fields!



  • Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's irrelevant. The discussion stemmed from talking about Ryder Cup wild card picks. Seamus Power isn't eligible for the Ryder Cup so it doesn't matter how he has performed (although it is great he has done so well).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    It wasn't me you were replying to. I'm all for Seamus Power, more luck to him. I hope he's winning majors and making Ryder Cup teams himself soon.

    Lowry has in my mind been as good as guaranteed a place in the Ryder Cup team since he won the Open. Ups and downs, whatever, win a major you prove you're on a different level on the biggest days and worthy of a wild card if nothing else. Never doubted him myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Yes, I just mentioned that he's been the best European on the tour since May. I don't know why people were getting so defensive. I'm a huge fan of Shane, I'm not taking away from him in any way by saying what I am. I'm delighted for Seamus too.

    I don't care about the Ryder Cup personally, it seems like a complete joke to me. I find it hard to believe that most of the golfers really care about it. Most of these guys live and practice together in the US these days. It's not like back in the day when most Europeans played on the European tour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭abff


    I've been trying to find a Race to Dubai points distribution table online, but have not succeeded. I've had a look at the other tournaments this season that were worth 4250 points (same as the Italian Open) and it looks to me as if Wiesberger needs to finish 16th or 17th next week in order to pass Rory in the European points list.

    Not too daunting, but by no means a gimme. If he fails to earn enough points next week, the pressure will really be on him the following week and making the cut in that tournament is by no means guaranteed.

    So at this stage, I'd say Wiesberger is odds on to pass Rory in the European points list, but probably no better than 60%/70% chance of making it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭abff


    Nobody is disputing that Seamus has played well over the past few months, and his performances are doubly commendable when you consider the pressure he was under to retain his card. And he could well move a lot further up the world rankings with the freedom he will have to pick and choose a schedule that suits him. And it would be great to see him playing in a future Ryder Cup.

    But you can't ignore the fact that Shane played well in the majors, making the cut in all three and finishing tied 4th and tied 12th in two of them. Now we just have to hope that either Wiesberger blows up or Shane does enough at the BMW PGA Championship to hold onto an automatic spot or at least does enough to convince Padraig to give him a wild card.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well I care about Shane doing well, for him and for our nation. I couldn't care less about the Ryder Cup though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    I think Casey can possibly do Paddy a favour at Wentworth and keep Shane in the team. Think Shane has big chance of winning at Wentworth himself tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,330 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Shane is in the team no matter if he needs a pick I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,636 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I give you a solid 3/10 for that effort Eagle Eye. Definite room for improvement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭dublin49




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    Well Fitzpatrick too, if either of them keeps Wiesenberger out of the European points list top 4, Shane stays in on the World list



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭dublin49




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What are you suggesting? I'm being serious. Big fan of Shane, obviously because I've played that hilly fecking course many times. I'm sure you have too.

    I hate the Ryder Cup and I've explained why. A group of pals representing two continents suddenly don't like each other. I'm sorry you aren't fooling me.

    As I said, it was different years ago when the majority of European players played on the European tour and lived in Europe. Now most live in the US and are great friends with many of the top American golfers. How can you suddenly want to be a European? And what even is a European, there's no identity to Europe, you've got the EU and then some countries who maintain their independence but are part of the free trade agreement. You've got a few who aren't even involved with the EU and multiple different languages.

    On top of all that I'd much rather see Brooks Koepka win unless he's playing against Shane or Rory. I can't stand Poulter, Hatton or Westwood and I'm not a huge fan of Sergio either. I couldn't shout for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,636 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Fitzpatrick is down to play this week in Italy also so he has a chance to put some speed on his points here



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    That's good news, you'd expect Matt to outperform Bernd over the two weeks, not certain by any means, but a good chance



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