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The 2021 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    This final will be between two of my favourite non Cork football counties. But really i hope Mayo get over the line this time. Mayo have no historical baggage with Tyrone in all Ireland finals, in the way that they historically do with Dublin and Kerry, so that will be an advantage to them. 1989 1996 1997 2004 2006 2012 2013 2016 2017 2020 2021. That is an awesome record with regards to consistency for making finals. Muppets like that pompous ignorant and classless attention seeker David Hickey call Mayo a tragic county. But the way i see it Mayo are a very competitive football county who deserve serious respect, and surely to god 2021 will be the year they finally land that long awaited and long deserved all Ireland. Best of luck Mayo and bring Sam back home.👍️

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,766 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I do, but you need to go have a lie down.

    maybe on a ball like some of the lads being discussed the other day !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association




  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mayo not doing the underhand stuff is the biggest myth in the GAA and comes with having the media in your pocket. Every team is well practiced at the dark arts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,741 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Way more teams of a decent standard?

    I'm not so sure of that. Much of a muchness in terms of actually competitive counties.

    Way more counties playing football alright but about 30 of them are perennial also rans.

    There's nothing competitive about Munster or Connacht! Mayo and Kerry showed that with their absolute cricket scores. Leinster has three competitive counties at best. And that's stretching the credibility of competitive.

    So really what you actually meant, was the Ulster championship is competitive. But even at that you're maybe talking about 2/3 serious contenders.

    Overall more counties of a poor standard than a decent standard is how I'd see it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,163 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Kerry not doing underhand stuff is the biggest myth in the GAA.

    Everyone knows that Mayo are well capable of it and do partake in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Just from reading the papers and listening to radio yest seems to be a “hint” going on that Tyrone were not overly honest about the covid excuse

    if this is true that they were playing fast and loose with the truth about covid in their camp then HQ should declare that Tyrone are banned from the championship for 3 years and also strip them of their win last Saturday and let Kerry into the final against Mayo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Were you watching the first half of the semi what rubbish. Dublin had it won and only scored 2 points in the next hour. What is in Mayo's favor is Tyrone are not much better but i still expect them to win. Mayo were probably the best team in the country a few years ago but couldn't get over the ling...

    I really do hope Mayo do win but i cannot see it happen....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    I believe the Covid issue is quite genuine and they were right to ask for their 2 weeks, and the GAA and the other teams were correct in giving them the time needed. Declan Bogue puts it very well in this article, in particular how Spillane starts his rant about how from a vacuum of information comes false narratives and innuendo, then how QUOTE he was allowed to lay down a series of what he described himself as "false narrative and innuendo". UNQUOTE




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,738 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    And if its not true, then what sanction do you deserve for rumour mongering?

    Come of it.......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Don’t shoot the messenger


    the hints were in lot of newspaper articles and I listened to the Newstalk sports show yest also - I’m just saying if it was proven that Tyrone were “not exactly on the level” on the issue - sanctions should be imposed and publicly to send out a message



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I don't think anyone really cares what was true and what was not. Kerry should have been good enough to beat them last Saturday, or next month or in 6 months time. They weren't and they have no excuses and in fairness, they are not making any either.

    Tyrone are where they deserve to be, in the AI final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I fully would go along with the premise that Kerry were “out on their feet” way before Tyrone were.

    that is worrying from a Kerry point of view and it is not the first time over the last few years where Kerry’s fitness was found wanting.

    I have deep respect for Peter Keane as a man and as a manager - a true Gael -and he has more to give to the Kerry set up but you would wonder if there should be another look at Kerry’s fitness regime as we were told a few weeks ago they were the finished article in terms of fitness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I think they've got too rigidly locked in to the mode of playing keepball when they build up a lead. They need to be able to snap out of it and go on the attack again when a team starts closing the gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I like to see stats from both sets of trackers. If you look at extra time Kerry looked to be the team with more running.

    Normally a team without the ball has to work more. But Tyrone have a good defensive setup. It probably allowed th.to conserve energy. Kerry were doing a lot of running off the ball especially wing and corner backs. The workload on them from the Kerry system is huge. When Tyrone broke down field they had less work to get there scores. As well Kerry were carrying a immobile midfield and had no workhorses in there forwards.

    I love to see both sets of stats from the GPS trackers

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I would too. One thing that struck me was Kerry were hand passing the ball from Billy to Jack a lot and almost shying away from taking shots for a point. That will come back to haunt them in the long winter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,400 ✭✭✭tanko


    A great line from Joe Brolly yesterday,

    “At the final whistle, all that remained was for Pat Spillane to go and have a good puke”.

    Summed up the day in a few words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If you read my post again I clearly said OVERALL. In that hurling only has Munster plus Kk and Galway as real hurling areas IMO. Maybe Wexford ish. But the spread in football is much wider. I believe you merely using a new final winner in Seven years is a false narrative to argue that football is not as healthy as hurling. As you need to look deeper at how Dublin raised the bar standard and innovation wise., not only in Gaelic football but in Gaelic games.

    I would argue that Limerick's style of hurling, and tactical nous (movement presssing passing etc) plus S&C owes a lot to Dublin football as they have clearly watched Dublin football closely and also innovated. Even a lot of the phraseology, mindset and presentation Limerick and Keilly use are lifted straight from Jim Gavin and Dublin football. Same approach and mindset different accents. If Limerick win three or four more Liam's this will indicate to me the the innovative and collective minset is winning out and the bar is being raised. However, I still believe the overall depth of competitive quality will always be greater in foot ball over hurling. It is just a historical fact of life, plus the game of hurling is a more difficult game to master than football. Given the nature of hurling faster game v football it is much more difficult for a div2 team to shock a div1 team. Fact of life.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Do people really belief Tyrone faked the covid? I mean I find it laughable that it is even used as an excuse or back story. It belongs the conspiracy theories threads on boards.ie. Any Kerry people or Kerry fans who imply it was a conspiracy need to take a long hard look at themselves and cop themselves on a bit. I mean it is natural that some have sour grapes at losing. But this takes it to a whole new level conspiracy theories!

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Overall, football is worse because one team has won the last 6.

    And what do you class as "real hurling areas" in comparison to real football areas?

    The majority of football titles are won by 2 teams, few others come close. In hurling there might only be the "top table" but at least theyre all close enough in quality to ensure some competition. In football, apart from an Ulster aberration in the 90s, its been overwhelmingly between 2 teams.

    You say the spread in football is much wider - so what? ~26 counties have no hope of ever winning, and of the 6 who are at the top table, 2 win the majority each decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Yeah absolutely the bottom line is Kerry weren't good enough they were a 2 man band in attack and far too loose defensively conceding 3 soft goals.

    Tyrone certainly looked very fit for a team who couldn't field a team the week before due to an outbreak of a serious respiratory disease but the fact is they exposed Kerrys limitations ruthlessly and their game management particularly when down to 14 was brilliant an example to all other teams on how to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I doubt very much they faked it, but just maybe they over exaggerated the extent? Which is a grey area. You'd think proof/ videos would have to come to hand by now if there were serious questions. Still as has been noted here from fit people who've had Covid - whatever the Tyrone lads were on must be magic.

    GAA HQ made a mistake though and made a rod that can be used across their own back. If it transpires that Mayo are disadvantaged in any objective way (Covid, injury etc) by the delay and lose, I'd reckon you'll see a lot more column inches expended on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Hurling is an much more niche sport than football simple as that. And is evident how hurling is broken up into tiers. Plus there is very little progress in weaker hurling counties v weaker football counties. I have already said why I believe the final narrative is a logical fallacy. I am not sure you understand my point or look at the bigger overall picture?

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I agree 100% when watching the games live it was incredibly frustrating, to watch. Need pace in that Dublin squad ASAP and a slightly more direct approach when needed. Monaghan great example of a team using pace. Would love to see Dublin do some of that.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was, clearly Horan had a tactical plan be hard to break down no goals conceded v Dublin stay in the game first half. It worked no goals conceded. To me that showed managerial nous and maturity from Horan taking lessons from previous Dublin encounters. And even Mayo games like the 2012 final. I was at the Connacht final and was damn impressed with Mayo's pace, movement and composure. Like you I hope Mayo do it. I honestly think they can. An experienced sideline can be the difference in a tense big game.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Gorm you have it backwards lad. Dublin didn't innovate and come up with these methods limerick have now adopted. The professionals Dublin were able to hire and avail of did.


    Whether or not the pros limerick were able to hire took the ideas from them or used their own knowledge we'll never know but the reality is Dublin have way more funding off the GAA then limerick did. If a Dublin man like JP had of funded them at least it wouldn't have been a scandal.

    It's great to see a final without Dublin or Kerry who between them have dominated honours through out history.


    Even better to have a novel final between two teams that have never faced each other on the big day.

    After 6 years of boredom finally a final we can enjoy. And enjoy it I will because next year I predict another few years of boredom begin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,518 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Tyrone will love going into this as underdogs. If Mayo give even a hint of complacency I think their hearts will be broken again.

    I honestly think if it is tactical mastermind v tactical mastermind, Tyrone win hands down. Haven't seen a team yet that can get to Tyrone's intensity levels and stay there. They looked a tired beaten team going into extra time but came out and raised the levels again.

    If they get to that pitch again I can't see Mayo winning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Not all of Tyrones players had covid - the problem is that any covid outbreak (even a positive test) means isolation for anyone in contact (most of the panel), it also means no group training.

    Tyrone players likely kept up individual training to keep up the fitness, but needed the extra week to get any group training done once covid isolation period was over. The players who tested positive might not have player on the weekend at all - or maybe they were asymptomatic and were over it within a week. It still doesnt change teh fact that all other players in contact prior would have had to isolate too.



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