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F1 2021 Round 12: Belgian Grand Prix

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    So everyone got half points which is some attempt at balance.

    3 points between Max and Lewis in Lewis' favour according to sky sports



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    😂🤣😂 Ah Lando.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Very strange seeing decimal points in the championship points!



  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Feck I’m gonna watch the highlights just incase I missed something 😂

    Were Williams the only team to have both drivers in the points today?



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Without checking I think Ferrari were 9 and 10?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 753 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    Legal reasons thats why. If they didn't race there would be massive implications



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 414 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    Terrible day for F1. Completely horrible for fans who are there as they probably would be entitled to a refund had it not resumed for the two laps behind SC.

    Complete commercial decision to avoid the hassle of rescheduling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ticket refunds would probably be one implication. And the idea of racing on Monday probably has the same issues. It wasn't in the contract to race on Monday so they'd probably have to refund anyone who couldn't stay until Monday for the race. Much better to just run the few laps and call it a race and not run the risk of mucking around with refunds or broken contracts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I'm kind of glad though that all that great qualifying action yesterday wasn't all for nothing.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    This is exactly it and it's the reason I have such a problem with what happened. A 2 lap procession behind the safety car to tick a box and that was it... They knew they weren't going racing. It's a slap in the face to the fans, and then to go through with the podium as if today had anything worth celebrating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    Don't think there would be any point rescheduling it, as the weather isn't going to get any better as we move away from the summer, imagine it happened again. They couldn't move it to tomorrow with all the logistics they discussed like marshals being available. Everyone there should most definitely be refunded. I think they should have just had a rolling start and while there was some chance of a race. If they hung back there wouldn't been any visibility issues so could have took it handy as the track dried, if things didn't improve then red flag it after say 10 laps. The fans could have got to see something at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 753 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 753 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    What can they do? The cars are completely incapable of racing in those conditions. If they raced in that today it would have ended up with lots and lots of wrecked cars. Only takes one person binning it on the main straight for half the grid to drive into them and causing a massive shunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    And just to preempt the obvious "delay the race" response. Most of the marshals are volunteers so wouldn't be available at short notice.

    This too shall pass.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would it be though? SC was doing what today, 3.20 or something? GT3s would be doing about 2.40 handy enough while full racing speed in the wet for an F1 car would be about 2.10 (if not slower). Taking the least good scenario the GT3 in the wet should be taking about (30/160 seconds is 18.75%) 20% slower than race pace, mostly on the straights. Off the top of my head in the dry they're often running more than 50% off the pace when behind the Safety Car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What a race lol. Delighted for George Russell and Max. But ye a bit impossible to race in that weather.

    Well roll on next weekend.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    A beautiful car. Have a 1:18 scale of it sitting on a shelf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    In a way I'm a little disappointed that both Lewis and Max got a .5 in the half points allocation. It would have been something else if one of them won the championship by just that half point at the end of the season.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭barryribs


    That was a big middle finger to the fans, and adds more ammunition to the FIA's determination to remove races from Europe. Cars should have run for some length of time, even Perez said it had improved after a lap and a half, if we have to #BelieveAllDrivers. The risk of running 15/20 laps behind the safety car would have been minimal, and then make a decision based on the standing water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Didn't Prost win one of his titles by half a point. Don't know the details but probably a stopped race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭kksaints


    No, he lost the 1984 championship to Lauda by half a point. The Monaco Grand Prix was stopped because of rain before half distance with Prost winning ahead of Senna in his rookie season. It was 9 points for a win back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula



    So if the criteria for stopping a race is no longer aquaplaning like it used to be (as the consensus from the initial formation lap was that there was no aquaplaning), and crystal clear visibility is now what’s required instead then there’s simply no reason to bring wet tyres to the circuits anymore is there?

    So many of the best races I’ve ever seen wouldn’t have occurred under those requirements.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,908 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Don’t do that glorified paddy’s day parade for two laps at the end which to me was just a box ticking exercise. And given that Sergio Perez put it in the wall before the race, there was nothing to stop a driver doing that at the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    Exactly, they could easily have tried to run that race. If they’d kept running behind the safety car at the beginning they would have cleared enough of a dry line to get racing, Max (who had the most to lose if the race was started under dangerous conditions) was very clear that there was actually plenty of grip and the only complaints others had were visibility, something that was exaggerated by being bunched up behind the safety car and something that has existed for every wet race in the history of F1 and drivers have always just gotten on with it. Between field spread and a dry line starting to appear the visibility issues would have been manageable.

    And if they did another ten laps or whatever behind the safety car and indications were that it wasn’t drivable, then at least they could say they’d made an honest attempt to run the race.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Lightning didn’t ask for a "Don't" they asked for a "do"

    Seriously, we had a mad and brilliant qualifying on Saturday. Considering the two major incidents with Lando and the W Series racers just this weekend which wasn't too dissimilar to the incident that injured Jack Aitkin earlier this year and of course the tragic accident with Antoine Hubert a couple of years ago there was no way you could let F1 cars run through Eau Rouge and Radion in its current layout at racing speeds in those conditions. The marshals aren't available mid week owing to being just volunteers, not to mention the disruption to the surrounding road network on a workday.

    So you tell me how do you make the efforts made in qualifying count for something in these conditions?

    This too shall pass.



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