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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    If you read my post I care about the quality of the election. And the audit should identify where legislation should be enacted to correct the problems that happened. I've been very consistent on that. Doesn't anybody read what is written here?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    On 18th August I asked you - quote: "What do you think of the reported quality of the "cyber-ninjas" looking for traces of bamboo in the ballots, that will apparently prove beyond doubt that China hacked the election, even though all this nonsense has been thrown out of court time and time again?"

    You said in reply on 19th August, quote: "Sorry, don't know anything about that and, honestly, not worth my time to look into it."

    What part of your reply indicates that you care about the quality of the election?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Followed election I had seen nothing more unusually the any other got ant specifics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I also followed it up saying I guess they're good because democrats are afraid of what they find and I believe I noted somewhere along the line that I guess they seemed to be okay because the majority of the Senate put their confidence in them. Not good enough for you?

    I also noted in a prior post that there are too many things that didn't make sense about the results (and listed them) and therefore in my opinion a forensic audit was warranted. Sorry, I'm not about to repeat my self over and over and over and over and over again. If you are interested in what I comment then please take the time to read what I have written. I answered a lot of questions here thrown at me from those worthy of a reply. That may sound a bit snarky, and a apologize, but put yourself in my shoes regarding all the questions thrown my way over many pages. Would you want to keep repeating yourself with the same answer to numerous posters asking basically the same question?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'm pretty sure you haven't looked into it barring a few crank echo chamber sites.

    However, you can't say this:

    "who were handling the ballots like anything and everything goes."

    And then think that the pretend audit being done by the cyber ninjas will yield any real results other than the ballots being left in an awful state.

    But you'll try and latch onto whatever craziness they claim anyway :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    So what is the difference between a forensic audit and a regular audit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,348 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    We already know he wouldn't bet any amount of money on it.

    That's a sign of real confidence right there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Two words: Trayvon Martin.

    In practice, from what I can see from numerous court judgements, if a gun-toting Yank fears that their life is in danger from somebody else (correctly or not) and shoots them dead, they will get away with it.

    It's why "Karens" (I actually hate the misuse of this proper noun because I know some especially charming people called Karen, but then, they all live over here) calling the police on "suspicious" people, eg bird watchers, kids in swimming pools, because they don't like the look of them is rightly considered to be such a dangerous thing to do. If the police believe you and shoot first and kill someone, they will get away with it.

    As would the "Karen" if she had a derringer packed in her pocket book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs



    “Their claims — made against Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, the City of Detroit, and state election officials — were not just flimsy and unfounded, alleging a massive and implausible conspiracy to steal the election, Parker said, but actively harmful.


    This case "was never about fraud — it was about undermining the People's faith in our democracy and debasing the judicial process to do so," the judge wrote.”


    https://www.businessinsider.com/judge-approves-sanctions-sidney-powell-lin-wood-over-2020-lawsuit-2021-8?r=US&IR=T



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I think the only thing the Democrats are afraid of is that these "cyber ninjas" are Trump-biased. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that. Now that you're (apparently) concerned about the quality of the audits, I assume you're aware that these cyber-ninjas have already refused to cooperate with congressional oversight of the probe, and have no prior election-auditing experience. Does that cause you any doubt about whether their findings can be trusted?

    Just on the second part - with the greatest of respect, you've spent the last few months generally avoiding answering questions put to you. It's a bit rich of you to now accuse others of not reading what you've been saying. I'll leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Worse than that, there's farcical 'stand your ground laws' in 38 states that allow the 'I'm menaced so I can kill him' behavior your describe.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,716 ✭✭✭francois



    Most damning of all in her judgemewnt she said

    ...and instructs the lawyers to complete at least 12 hours of legal education within the next six months on election law and pleading standards. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Tippex


    So Trump and his cronies are being sued by 7 police officers over the Jan 6th riots. https://www.axios.com/capitol-police-officers-sue-trump-jan-6-riot-3b2d0ceb-2185-46c9-b689-5f507d3abbd8.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Before the George Zimmerman case I’d never heard of this law, and then John Oliver did a segment on it, which kind of built on my limited knowledge of it ,and it’s even more batshit that I’d believed. There seems to be no actual threshold a person needs to achieve before firing a gun under this law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    9 Trump lawyers sanctioned after fallout for frivolous election lawsuit claims in Michigan. The ruling is referred to their state bars for possible disbarment, and the defendants on the frivolous case have been awarded all of their expenses from the plaintiffs.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Democrats go full Fascist which isn't surprising with old Nancy.

    McCarthyism anyone?

    zY



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  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So trump is being sued by members of the Capitol police for the Jan 6th violence he incited.

    That's going to give the our boys in blue are heroes gop supporters something to cry and foam about





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The select committee's document ask seems very broad and in one instance goes back to April, 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'm sure glad Tim Pool and his brand of grifting BS wasn't around in the 40s, because he would have a video about how the Allies were bigger fascists than the Nazis were because they even arrested Karl Donitz.

    Flip the situation - have a Democrat do as Trump did on January 6th and watch the complete meltdown had by virtually every single commentator on the 'new right'. It would be hard to fathom the ferocity considering their rage over a tan suit.

    Yes, what Trump did was that serious, and every activist of his should be looked into in order to see if they had expressed support for his actions on that day, and his aggressive pushing of the completely invented claim of election fraud, and be sanctioned for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    A regular election audit checks for errors, and a forensic audit checks for errors and also checks for criminal and suspicious activity. As an example a forensic audit will verify that the voting machines and databases have not been tampered with, whereas a regular audit will not.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    It was determined through investigation Martin attacked the community watch individual, beating on him, and was attempting to get hold of his gun in the scuffle.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I have not been avoiding question put to me from individuals who have not taken part in personal attacks. You seemingly just don't like my answers.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    No it wasn't.

    It was determined that that's what MIGHT have happened. There were only two witnesses and one of them was dead by the time the cops came. And as Zimmerman was on trial for murder and Martin was already dead, the benefit of the doubt goes to the accused. So he got away with killing a 17 year old kid.

    And even if that WAS what happened, who was at fault? The kid who had been walking home from the candy store minding his own business, or the paranoid blubber butt who had made a "Karen call" to the cops saying that there was somebody behaving suspiciously in his area? ie Wearing a hoodie on his head after dark while being black (it was raining); walking in a meandering seemingly directionless way (he was engrossed in a phone call with his girlfriend) and not being known to the man with the gun (he didn't live in the area normally but he was staying in the area with his father as an invited guest of a local woman)?

    Remember that the kid actually ran away from the man with the gun, spooked by the weird older man who was stalking him. It was only after Zimmerman chased him (despite being specifically told NOT to by the police dispatcher) that the fight ensued.

    Many people in America rejoiced at the not guilty verdict and then seem bewildered when the "Black Lives Matter" movement explodes a few years later. You don't get away with excusing irresponsible gun toting paranoiacs who provoke unarmed kids into fights and then claim that they have a right to shoot to kill because THEIR lives are threatened by THEIR OWN guns!!! It mystifies me how so many Americans wanted to absolve Zimmerman of wrong doing. In any decent society he'd still be chewing his pillow in prison.

    And good thing too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You don't avoid questions??

    For the 9th time of asking, what evidence was supplied to warrent the audits?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The cyber ninjas are not qualified to check for machine and database tampering, they may actually be responsible for tampering with the ballots themselves making the audit worthless.



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