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Kia Sportage clutch worn out?

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  • #32
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Toyotafanboi wrote: »
    The issue that you've missed is that if the disc is burnt out it's probably your fault..

    After 1 month? I don't think so.

    How far down the road does the clutch have to last before you think it is my fault? 10 yards? 2 days? A week?

    They sold me a car on the point of failure. It may be due to the previous drivers habits, but I do not care about that.


  • #33
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    theteal wrote: »
    What's the value limit of a SCC case these days, €2000/€2500?
    With that in mind I assume you're only claiming for the the part itself but how the hell does that work?

    The limit is 2500 euro per hearing.

    It works quite simply like any other award of compensation works or recourse.
    The claimant is at a loss here to the value of 950 euro for a defective component (allegedly) therefore if successful the award amount is 950 euro plus court costs (25 euro) and car hire if you want to push it.

    It'll be argued that a clutch/flywheel is a consumable item which is the case but after 5 weeks a consumable component should not have deteriored so quickly if reasonable care was taken of the item. Especially if the car went through a health check prior to purchase and the value of the car.

    The exclusion of consumable parts in the warranty is understandable but warranties must be fair to both parties, if not, a at dealer could shift a car with excessively worn brakes / discs, tyres to the unsuspecting public and when they return with the car crashed in the ditch the garage shouldn't be able to say "Oh well, we can't cover it because brakes are a wear and tear item" . Nor can a consumer come back after 60000 miles after purchase and say the tyres are faulty because there's no thread on them.

    I have experience in this area and this is not an open and shur case, the OP has grounds for recourse given the litany of reports of KIA clutch failures online, the short time after purchase the clutch went and the OP not being a mechanic.


  • #34
    Toyotafanboi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    It'll be argued that a clutch/flywheel is a consumable item which is the case but after 5 weeks a consumable component should not have deteriored so quickly if reasonable care was taken of the item. Especially if the car went through a health check prior to purchase and the value of the car.

    The exclusion of consumable parts in the warranty is understandable but warranties must be fair to both parties, if not, a at dealer could shift a car with excessively worn brakes / discs, tyres to the unsuspecting public and when they return with the car crashed in the ditch the garage shouldn't be able to say "Oh well, we can't cover it because brakes are a wear and tear item" . Nor can a consumer come back after 60000 miles after purchase and say the tyres are faulty because there's no thread on them.

    I have experience in this area and this is not an open and shur case, the OP has grounds for recourse given the litany of reports of KIA clutch failures online, the short time after purchase the clutch went and the OP not being a mechanic.

    Any reputable dealer whether franchised or otherwise will have given the car a decent inspection and service prior to sale and if the clutch was deemed acceptable at the time of the inspection, what bearing should that then have with the OP's case?

    You can't simply argue that Kia clutches give trouble, so the OP's clutch should be covered. You need to at least ascertain what the nature of their clutch failure is vs the nature of failures that these can be prone to.


  • #35
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Toyotafanboi wrote: »
    Any reputable dealer whether franchised or otherwise will have given the car a decent inspection and service prior to sale and if the clutch was deemed acceptable at the time of the inspection, what bearing should that then have with the OP's case?

    The OP is saying that since the clutch failed so soon afterwards, it clearly was NOT acceptable when sold.

    Maybe they didn't inspect it. Maybe they didn't notice. Maybe they knew and sold it anyway. Not the OPs problem.


  • #36
    Toyotafanboi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The OP is saying that since the clutch failed so soon afterwards, it clearly was NOT acceptable when sold.

    Maybe they didn't inspect it. Maybe they didn't notice. Maybe they knew and sold it anyway. Not the OPs problem.

    You can't speak like that's fact though.

    Maybe it was perfect at the time of sale and it is the OP's problem.

    They need to be aware of both sides of the arguement and the reality of this, not just what could happen if this falls in their favour.


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  • #37
    Spark Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Spark Plug


    I wonder what’s the detail behind those 7 year warranties does some of the cost of the warranty repair fall back on the dealer as oppose to being shouldered by the manufacture? I know of a DMF failing on a 151 Santa Fe 16 months into ownership


  • #38
    bodonnell
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    Spark Plug wrote: »
    I wonder what’s the detail behind those 7 year warranties does some of the cost of the warranty repair fall back on the dealer as oppose to being shouldered by the manufacture? I know of a DMF failing on a 151 Santa Fe 16 months into ownership

    Basic detail with the Kia warranty is 7 years or 150,000kms, not sure of dealers liability, Hyundai is 5 years with unlimited mileage.


  • #39
    EPAndlee
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    After 1 month? I don't think so.

    How far down the road does the clutch have to last before you think it is my fault? 10 yards? 2 days? A week?

    They sold me a car on the point of failure. It may be due to the previous drivers habits, but I do not care about that.

    Have a customer that bought a car and burnt out a clutch in a only of hours so it can be well down to your driving style. Recently had a customer who bought a new suv type car, she never had a clutch problem with her old car but she burnt our the clutch in a new one after a few months because she couldn't really get used to the biting point of the new one. A clutch is classed as a wear and tear item just like brake pads. Most of the time it fails because of driving style


  • #40
    GIMP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭GIMP


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    i have 98 Astra G with 201000 miles , i know the clutch hasn't been changed because car as been in family since new, would this be out of the ordinary ?

    I have a 2002Astra G, 210,000miles, original clutch. So not unusual.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    Spark Plug wrote: »
    I wonder what’s the detail behind those 7 year warranties does some of the cost of the warranty repair fall back on the dealer as oppose to being shouldered by the manufacture? I know of a DMF failing on a 151 Santa Fe 16 months into ownership

    A UK based chap on a Kia forum reckons that warranty work on Kia stuff is very unlucrative for Kia dealers, compared to other brands.

    So anything at all remotely wear and tear ish is a struggle to get honoured under warranty.


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  • #42
    Hellrazer
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    pardon me, but if a Kia garage sells me a 2nd hand Kia and the clutch goes a month later, I do not give a rats ass if it is a manufacturing defect or the previous drivers fault.

    The garage sold me a faulty car.
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    After 1 month? I don't think so.

    How far down the road does the clutch have to last before you think it is my fault? 10 yards? 2 days? A week?

    They sold me a car on the point of failure. It may be due to the previous drivers habits, but I do not care about that.


    I think you need to go back and read Toyotafanbois post.Hes given you some really good information that you can use to get your point across.
    I worked in a kia dealer for almost for almost 5 years and there are situations where a clutch will be covered but its down to the vehicle being inspected.
    BTW Im no longer with Kia.
    Clutches are wear and tear items. The previous owner could have rode that clutch and it was almost worn when you bought it..thats why dealers don't offer warranty on clutches-there is no way to tell whats left on a clutch.

    Heres an example that happened only last week--I had a customer in a brand new 181 car last week burn a clutch out in 1700km.
    This person had forgotten to take the handbrake off while taking off and burnt the disc out in less than 5 minutes.
    There was nothing left of the disc. It had burnt off down to the metal.


  • #43
    James Bond Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    Kia and Hyundai clutches are big sellers for aftermarket parts retailers at the moment due the sheer amount of the going. The i40 is a prime example which I would hazard a guess is shared with the sportage. I can see these threads getting more and more common in the next while.


  • #44
    D13exile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭D13exile


    Outcome of this week long toing and froing was that we got a price of €700 from an independent garage for a new clutch. My wife went back to the Kia main dealer and told him that and he price matched it, just like that. Wish he'd bloody well done that at the start of the week and saved me grief with Kia Ireland.

    As others have said, there's no way to really prove what happened to this clutch. I know from our previous cars (that all had much higher mileages when traded in), we never had a clutch issue on any of our cars. So it's highly unlikely that my wife has suddenly decided to start driving with her left foot resting on the clutch pedal. I still believe it was a faulty clutch but life's too short to keeping banging my head against the Kia brick wall. We'll get the clutch done, drive it until the end of the year and then kiss it goodbye.


  • #45
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    @D13exile: I agree in your case because you've had the car a while and mileage you've done in it, it's difficult to prove that inferior component build or installment was the issue. 
    In the case of @Stu Redman I believe they are in a much better chance of getting recourse, if a bank of suitable evidence can be provided. It is also down to the squeakiest wheel gets the oiling. Some good points have been made in this thread regarding dealerships and warranty issues. Especially  the low rate that dealerships are paid for warranty issues no wonder they only tend to the customers that will scream the loudest.
    Pity you weren't to negotiate a further reduction. I wouldn't be giving a dealer that treated me with disrespect my money, but then again when selling on your car you want that Kia Dealer stamp on the invoice/service book. The funny thing though a lot of the large dealerships heavily employ apprentices to reduce their wage bill.


  • #46
    coco06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭coco06


    if you went to indy to replace clutch does that affect your 7 year warranty? thanks



  • #47
    Kintarō Hattori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    I'm in the same boat as the OP though with a much older car. About two months ago the missus bought a 2011 Renault Fluence from a dealer in Meath. The car had 125,000km on the clock and came with a new NCT. At the dealer she bought a six month warranty. Just over 3000km later the clutch is gone. I know these things are excluded from warranties but there must be some ground to argue for a contribution towards the cost of putting it right.

    She had driven her older car for over 130,000 with no need for a clutch replacement. Between the two of us we've racked up some healthy mileage on my own car with no issues. It gauls me that just over 3000km later she's going to need to replace this.



  • #48
    kaahooters
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117800897#Comment_117800897

    i understand you feel hard done by on this, but, the car has done 128 thousand km, just because your wife drives well and looks after clutches, dosent mean the previous owner(s) did. thats the luck of the draw with 2nd hand cars.

    As a general rule, clutches are designed for aproxmitly 100thousnad km, but thats dependant on what type of driving, city, town, moterway ect ect ect.

    its super annoying, but, theres nothing you can do apart from replacing the clutch and then getting another 130thousand km out of the new one. (which at 700€ to replace would be 0.005 cent per km)



  • #49
    Kintarō Hattori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Just got a quote of €1400 to replace the clutch on the Fluence. That seems madness.

    Post edited by Kintarō Hattori on


  • #50
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117802490#Comment_117802490

    If its a diesel they tend to be more if thats any help. Also labour can be the biggest cost depending on car



  • #51
    ofcork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Im gone over 200k km in the avensis clutch still fine.



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  • #52
    Kintarō Hattori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Got two local quotes from smaller garages for €750 and €800. I know the first quote, the chap does a load of taxi's for a local firm so went with him.



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