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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Everyday is a learning day......you should venmo me 5 euro for increasing your level of vocabularly......or else contribute e5 to ending world hunger,noone should go hungry anywhere in the world today


    Sophistory.....the use of clever but false arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving. (This is a fave tactic of ffg btw)



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tbf francie.....shinners are as bad as regards dissidents.....its the one fight,only some have choosen to fight on.....shouting at em traitorz etc is futile,in place of facts and logic....and they arent wrong as regards the psni being.backed up by british army and a defacto arm of british security services



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Your ok, I am happy with my own education.

    It’s a bit hard to understand when you don’t spell the word correctly. Hence why I asked for clarification, but you still spelt it incorrectly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How low can you go when trying to save your blushes.

    I find that particularly nauseous dudley, no harm to you. You know exactly what you were doing there.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ive literally expanded your learned knowledge,this deserves 2 claps and a ric flar.woooooo



    I bet you didnt think you would end the day more intelligent than yous started it....but there ya have it now,a subtle if coherent message and education delivered by moi......


    this is what underpins the insistance on both facts and logic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Yes I hadn’t heard the word before, so kudos to you

    Still it doesn’t change the point teh Provisional Sinn Fein was created in teh 1970s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    It’s quite amusing to see you running around after my posts and desperately trying to insult me in every response.

    Its saying more about you than about me.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It used be called sop


    Except its the same party....to my eyes an unwilling/inability to counter fact it using same premises as 1920s,makes it to my eyes logically same party



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn't insult you, I criticised what you just did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Renting a building does not mean you are the same organisation. As I said you need to read the history, it is laid out very clear, ignoring it of course is your decision but that does not mean it is right.

    In this situation it is not an opinion, either they are or they are not.



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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They arent renting the building,afaik it was bought in 30s🤣🤣


    Exactly and they are same organisation,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Blaaz, I know. I am not the one up on the high ground pretending there is something unique about political parties gilding the old lily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean



    Every party contends they hold to their brand. My family has as much connection to the rising as Martin, Varadkar or the lad down the chipper ffs.

    When people feeling the housing or health crises go to vote do you think it matters?

    James Connolly wouldn't join the Labour of today IMO.

    Collins would be disgusted by Fine Gael IMO.

    If Charlie Flanagan started the KKK in Ireland and held the same antisemetic beliefs as his father, would it matter if it wasn't the 'same' KKK we all know from the US?

    If you can tell me what Fianna Fail stand for I'd appreciate it.

    We know Fine Gael support foreign private investors above the Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Ostensibly, this is an optimistic article for a united Ireland. However, there is one basic truth......

    "The problem with inevitability argument is that it is really an old tale, just repeated over and over again."

    I have heard this argument for over 50 years, that a united Ireland is a demographic inevitability, but today, it seems as far away as ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152



    "Sinn Féin’s repeated calls on Government to produce a Green Paper or set up a constitutional convention or Citizens’ Assembly are further ways to keep the conversation going without Sinn Féin itself having to say anything challenging."

    That could equally apply to the many posters defending the integrity of Sinn Fein on a 24/7/365 basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm sure somebody was writing these navel gazing space fillers just before East and West Germany united too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Maybe if you are so sure, you can provide a link to such discussion.

    Or maybe you can't refute the main point (once again) and are resorting to diversionary tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'main point' doesn't particularly bother me.

    It is what it is, now.

    And I see a great deal of scared nervousness about a UI amongst those traditionally against it. Unionists and partitionists. They are the ones trying desperately to come up with more blocks to a process than anyone else is. Super majorities, independent NI alternatives etc etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    To quote a great philosopher and mind “"You can call it Ireland, you can call it Northern Ireland, you can call it whatever the f**k you want, I call it home" Mark McCarney(not exact word but close enough)

    Thsts what the people of Northern Ireland think in the majority, don’t mind this United Ireland bulls**t from a party who haven’t the first idea what or how to do it…..

    Francie and his 1970 carry on going on about unionist etc, that’s not an opinion which is reflective of Northern Ireland. I doubt the person has stepped in Northern Ireland in 20 years.

    People are entitled to their own opinion but when it’s based on hatred then it should be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    1970's carry-on? 'That's what the people of NI think in the majority'? What do they think in the 'majority'?

    I 'have not stepped in northern Ireland in 20 years'?

    What are all these statements based on dudley, are you insinuating/lying again?


    I have been totally honest here.

    I hate belligerent Unionism/Loyalism and lazy, I'm alright partitionism. No equivocation from me on that. So not sure what a big reveal that is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭BackOfMyBag


    im confused , as an ( ok im assuming ) Irishman, are you actually sneering and taking pleasure in the possibility that it may not happen ????

    why would any one except a unionist , loyalist , or partitionist not want to see the eventual reunification of their own country man ffs , is your motivation just to wind up republicans / sinn fein in this case ?

    ive seen you contribute to the gaa forums on this site , so do not think your loyalist or unionist , as a loyalist or unionist with a interest in the gaa is like rocking horse sh1t !

    i left Ireland a good few years back , and live in a part of the uk now , and have no ill feeling towards either the uk govt , or its people , but i , and i know many expats like me , both here and elsewhere in the world would love to see the eventual reunification of their home country , it makes no sense to me , other than to wind up others , both varadkar and martin aspire to a united ireland afterall .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Complete bull.

    Accusing posters who don’t see a United Ireland in the rosy terms seen by many as “winding people up” .

    Half the population of NI don’t want a United Ireland.

    To import those folk into a UI would be a very dangerous operation which we don’t need.

    Thats what intelligent people can see- the consequences.

    Thats why folk like me and others of like mind are extremely wary, whilst others seem to have the attitude of ignoring the consequences and ‘ shure somebody else will sort it all out’ type of attitude.

    Doesnt work like that, sahib.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Characterise the poster as not being 'intelligent' like yourself,

    Thats what intelligent people can see- the consequences.

    then refer to them as Indian,

    Doesnt work like that, sahib.


    Nice one Brendi...not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    We have accounts on here claiming to attend a Bohs match to back up a point and then admit a few mins later they are actually on hols in Portugal

    Sorry but I believe the actual person who lives and works in Northern Ireland, his home as he rightly calls it

    You might be stuck in teh past shouting about unionist etc, not everyone else is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm not shouting about 'Unionists', some of my neighbours are perfectly fine upstanding Unionists that I meet every day of the week.

    I specifically said that I have issue with 'belligerent Unionists and partitionists as well as belligerent Republicans or dissidents.

    You really need to stop lying about people and what they say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭CDarby


    Excellent point shebean. Especially the Collins thing, no one has ever explained to me (successfully) as to what the actual connection between Collins and the Fine Gael party even is?

    Today is Michael Collins 99th anniversary, meaning the man was assassinated in 1922.

    The aforementioned history section of FGs own website (now removed) has their beginnings/formation at 1933. More than a decade after Collins death.

    This will have to do in the absence of FGs own history, but it's from a fairly neutral source.


    History

    Fine Gael was founded in September 1933 in the amalgamation of Cumann na nGaedheal (“Party of the Irish”)—the party of William Thomas Cosgrave, first president of the Irish Free State—and two lesser parties, the Centre Party (formerly the Farmers’ Party) and the National Guard (formerly the Army Comrades Association), also known as the “Blueshirts.” Cumann na nGaedheal represented the supporters of the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, which brought into existence the Irish Free State.

    Meanwhile, poor Eoin O'Duffy was written out of their own history books, and basically disowned by them.

    A party full of contradictions in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Meanwhile a FG Minister (Heather Humphreys) is taking pot shots at 'other partys' weaponising history. 😁

    The party making dubious links and completely airbrushing their founding father and the fascist ideology he stood for out of their own history.

    You literally could not invent the level of lies, cheek and arrogance about their history, from FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Something something FG something something

    Wash, rinse and repeat

    The SF supporter handbook, point at FG to say they are just as bad

    if you say voting for FG is so terrible then voting for SF is just as bad so vote for another party, plenty of options



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FG made a speech today at the grave of Michael Collins (the good 'terrorist' hey want to be associated with) in which HH criticised SF for writing their own version of history.

    Entirely relevant to this thread to discuss it and to have a look at what FG have done with their history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Not one of your best attempts to try to attack the poster and ignore the post.

    How do you get away with it?



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