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Second Captains Part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭elefant


    True. But that's also related to influencing how a referee should sanction an illegal shoulder charge, not disallowing any and all shouldering as has been suggested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,316 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What a load of rubbish from Paul Flynn. There's no duty of care on the players? So it's okay to just mistime tackles and break jaws until they start better enforcing rules? And his point regarding the rule book was just silly, you'd expect players, especially senior intercounty players, to know the rules of the sport they are playing.



  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Put it this way, if something similar happened in the Cork Kerry or Tyrone Monaghan game nobody would give a ****, let along be still going on about it 4 days later. Flynn was pretty much spot on with that end of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Not a GAA man, but that argument between Paul O' Flynn and Oisín McConville was great entertainment.

    O' Flynn sounded like an absolute prat when he asked "have you seen the rulebook? " and McConville said yes and then he tried to move the goalposts because the rulebook was so "thick". I had to laugh, talk about been made to look like an absolute spoofer! He talks a fair amount of hot air.

    Though I think he has a kernal of a point, but maybe doesn't entirely have the wit to express it in a coherent way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    He really, really wasn't. I didn't see any media outlet aside from anonymous twitter users or possibly Joe or one of those sites post anything that suggested he elbowed him. Any commentary I saw from verified media accounts were similar to what Oisin said, which is that if you go in like that the onus is on you to ensure you get it right, wrong and you are off which is perfectly fair.

    GAA needs to adapt the same rule as that in NFL with regards to a defenceless receiver. If a player cannot protect himself against the hit then it should be a straight red regardless of whether they connect with the shoulder. Its far too high risk an action to allow it, particularly with the size and strength of players now. No issue with two players running side by side for a ball and delivering a shoulder but lining up someone who is about to turn into a shoulder should be a straight red. There is no safe way to allow that sort of hit anymore, it carries way too much risk. There is no way any amateur player should have their jaw broken, there is no argument against it IMO. Its about time the GAA moved with the times as well in terms of discipline, there won't be any action taken against Small and even if there was we all know they'd appeal it and appeal it until he got away with it, that needs to stop both at inter county and at club level. Foul play has to have some punishment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    What was that comment about someone breaking a leg!!? It was just breezed over!


    Edit. Nevermind a few moments later, it was McMahon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Lads, I'm no Dub but I think maybe a little harsh here on Paul Flynn. He reflects an attitude where putting big hits in exists. He was just honest about it. Sure even Oisin was lauding big Mayo hits moments before he got all excited.

    If there's a culture and appreciation of big hits then lads are going to get hurt. Not all big hits are going to be perfectly timed regardless of how serious some lad takes his duty of care.

    Overall, I think Flynn was very complimentary of Mayo and where they take you on the field. Interesting insight. Quite clearly a guy who has immeasurable respect for Mayo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    I don't think anyone was too upset about him when he talked about the game or big hits in general but the 'anti-dublin bias' stuff was absolute bullshit of the highest order and rightly called out by Oisin and commented on here. I don't have much complaints about his commentary about the game overall outside of what he said about that incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Anti dub bias exists. I’m from kildare. A lot of gaa fans have been utterly utterly obsessed with Dublin being beaten….by anyone ..not even their own county.

    Oisin is “not online” so he might not be aware of it but have a read of Ewan Mackenna’s Twitter account and the replies to it and try telling me with a straight face that Dublin is just another county.

    There’s no anti Dublin bias on the sunday game but generally among gaa supporters, please don’t tell me anyone believes there isn’t any anti Dublin bias. It’s been going for half a century FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    Paul flying is a spoofer - players have no duty of care to each other- this is the guy that was head of the GPA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod



    Flynn was directly accusing the analysts on the Sunday Game and others in the media of it. Flynn made it seem like the whole Irish media and pundits were out to get Small which is 100% bullshit and easily disproven, the only image I saw posted of Small that hinted he'd led with the elbow was not posted by anyone prominent and I didn't see a single verified account suggest it, Flynn clearly went out of his way on twitter to find it or much more likely, saw a few screenshots in a Dub WhatsApp group and parroted it out without thought. Plenty of GAA fans wanted Dublin to get beaten, I sincerely doubt anymore than a very small minority are 'utterly utterly obsessed'. You'll find the same is true of any dominant sports team, people like an underdog and neutrals are bound to shout for them. Thats not bias.


    As for Ewan McKenna, Seriously? He has been irrelevant for years and I'm surprised anyone is still reading the nonsense he trots out on twitter. He's no longer writing for any decent media company that I am aware of, his opinions are about as relevant as Gemma O' Doherty at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    No, listen again. He didn’t specifically go after the Sunday game analysts originally. He said the online commentary on Twitter/social media has been abusive towards Small and the pundits including the Sunday game and Oisin haven’t helped.


    Oisin basically went a bit spare after that.


    as for a very small minority being obsessed with Dublin, well I don’t agree. There is an absolute obsession on a large part of GAA watchers with Dublin being beaten. But hey, we are free to believe what we wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    BOMBAZO!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,316 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Or the dominance of Dublin trend in the GAA forum. Proudly going around in circles since 2019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 Seamy Fitz


    Healthy to and fro on the last weekends game going on here but lets finish it on Ken's hillarious efforts to troll Mayo's victory. His take on the image of the game.....


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    "It just seems to me if you're stretching like that for a ball, you've actually made a mistake a fraction of a second earlier......you should've been closer to the ball....there's room to improve" 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,804 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    You'd swear with how people have reacted that Small put McLoughlin in hospital

    #justiceforsmall



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    The problem with this is that all TSG analysts said in regards to the incident was that it was a terrible challenge that should have been a red. No witch hunt. No demanding a lengthy suspension. No dragging up any previous with Small, no slander of his character.

    Flynn seems to think this is "abuse" (as he directly referenced TSG analysts) and had a whinge about it. McConville was absolutely correct and entirely right to pull him on it. Made a wee boy of him.



  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’d swear McLaughlin was the first player in the history of the sport to get injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I have no idea what Paul Flynn expected to happen but McConville obviously wasn’t going to accept a statement like that without rebuttal.

    If you’re going to throw a statement like that out, you need to back it up with specific examples. Flynn had nothing to say when called up on it, looked foolish.

    Entertaining stuff though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭cmac2009




  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    All this GAA talk on the thread is as interesting as the Lions analysis on the show.



  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not trying to. Like I said above, if it happens between any two other teams we wouldn't still be hearing about it on podcasts a few days later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    It's only being discussed within the context of the game. It's not like the incident is getting dedicated podcast episodes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Officially I will always say my favourite thing about Second Captains is Ken talking about soccer.


    But the truth is it's Ken talking about any other sport.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Ken talking about the Lance Armstrong documentary last year was great.

    Heard Creep by Radiohead in a shop yesterday, all I could think about was Jack Charlton talking about fish and chips and social commentary from young Eoin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,316 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    You get the fish and chips and then you eat the fish and chips. Nobody had any soup for starters, nobody had any pudding to finish.


    Love it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭hankless


    That Jack Charlton audio bed always sets me off. Without-fail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,852 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    No credibility after his disastrous dabble in management.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭deisedude


    Different sport but Gary Neville and Roy Keane are arguably 2 of the biggest pundits in football and their management records could be called disastrous too.

    Quirke has a podcast on off the ball anyway so he probably can't go back to Second Captains



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