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The 2021 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Just wondering how wet the conditions were on Saturday during the match and if they may have favoured Mayo on the day. Cork caught Kerry last year on a wet day, it seems to even things up. Interesting how O Shea was the answer at 14 after catching and laying off a ball v Galway. Now he's not a full forward it seems according to all those who saw him as one a few weeks ago. Mayo put all their eggs in this basket in the first half and some of the second. I'm amazed at how the decision was made to retake the kick to draw the match was allowed and how little commentary is being made on it. Great win for Mayo but alot of cracks papered over in the hysteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,764 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    What do you need for conditioning and fitness ? In terms of a financial push ? What have Dublin spent money on ? Did they build their own gym ? Nope... I use the same one as they do, publicly accessible, there are inter-county players from Mayo that I see in our gym...teams from Cork, Limerick, Armagh, Galway are all using facilities of a similar type... they use the same equipment as the general public...

    teams were tired ? That’s on them, SFA to do with Dublin... if your strength and conditioning isn’t up to scratch ? Work harder, get up to scratch... what you are inferring is hilarious and that’s like a student getting a B in an exam being pissed off that the student who got an A prepared better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,720 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Jez it was a crazy game, in the cold of light day, a purple patch by dublin in the second half sees them win. Mayo were poor in reality although they did raise the intensity stakes in the second 35, for a seasoned team dublin threw it away rather then mayo being magestic, it was 12 - 7 on the hour mark, 13 - 11 on 73 mins, Mc carthy, the keeper and Byrne making schoolboy errors to gift mayo the draw. Mayo will need to improve alot.

    Unfortunately the GAA carries poor discipline. During my lifetime, three of the greatest teams, kk, kerry and the dubs have been shall we say reckless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    The reason for the retake of the 45 is done to death at this stage. Linesman was right beside Hennelly when he was taking it. There was a Mayo man (Stephen Coen) leaving the field, being subbed. Linesman was bringing it to Hennellys and the refs attention that Coen was still on the field. Ref was getting on with the game, oblivious to this, so Hennelly started his run up to the kick. Linesman was signalling him to halt, which obviously put him off. Hennelly pointed to the Linesman after the kick was taken. Ref finally copped what was happening, and had Hennelly retake the kick. Nothing to do with Philly Mc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    What happened to Murchan that he went off? Heard someone say he took a big hit off Ryan O'Donoghue at some stage but I didn't see that myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,572 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The ref missed it and whatever about him missing the tackle its was very poor of him to not see the player down and stopping play.

    Bad refs happen in rugby too



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,545 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    The game's up on YT and I looked at Comerford's overcarrying free on slow motion as I did initially thought it was harsh. But actually he takes around 10 steps between solos, most of those being baby steps as he was coming into contact and trying to change direction but a step is a step and it was the correct decision.

    Basquel knew what he was doing. As I've mentioned, Dublin are absolute masters at the sly block off the ball. Usually it's subtle enough for the referees to miss but Basquel's was a bit too obvious. Dublin got numerous scores against Meath and Kildare using this tactic which generally gives the scorer an extra yard of space by blocking off the intended tackler.

    As mentioned, it's a great click bait article with very little basis in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Indeed, that’s why they use the basketball coaching to set screens



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What is interesting is that the referee was very fast to stop the game for the O'Hora/ Howard/ Ruane contact, but for the Small/ O'Loughlin shoulder which looked a more dangerous contact he left play go on.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Lots of things being missed here. The ref knew the rules around the head injury. he stopped the game in the 1st half when a Dublin player had a suspected head injury. Not sure why he didn't do it for the mayo player.

    Secondly the GAA do have HIA rules, James Carr was brought off for a HIA after being punched in the head by Small. It's the reason I think o Shea was brought back on.

    I can't see John small being banned if it hasn't happened by now it's not going to happen.

    Officially the linesman can't call a foul. This need to change. Give him the opportunity to call a foul by waving his flag. Then get on to the ref on the radio who can make a decision about it. 5 officials are 4 of them only job is to be concerned about the ball and who touched it last or whether it went over the bar. That one change would make a world of difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    In a way it is similar in all sports that only the referee can stop play ( after all he is the only one with a whistle). However other sports have delegated powers to sideline officials. In GAA the linesman have some powers to advise the ref but they seem to be limited. There seems to be a fear that games would become start/ stop, however if players are being carded for incidents these incidents will stop.

    There are actually 8 officials at an intercounty match, four of the qualified referees, the ref himself,two linesmen and what is known as the fourth official. As well you have four umpires.

    At intercounty level there should be no reason that what is missed and goes on in matches is allowed if all these officials were trained.

    Often you see better referring at club matches where a ref brings two umpires with him to what could be a heated match if the umpire watch what is going on around the field

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    I oy counted two umpires but I haven't had my morning tea before I posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There is two each end of the pitch beside the goals 2+2=4......I think🤔🤔🤔

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,572 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Someone on the Sunday Game (can't remember) said that they were privy to the referees radio in the commentary box and late on the linesmen were pinging him every 2 minutes with calls for cards. So even with current rules what you are saying is doable.

    I think the ref just messed up on the Small tackle and didn't realize it was to the head.

    Doesn't even need rule changes or anything else it was just a bad piece of refereeing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,516 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A ref would get a pass ordinarily probably. But given this ref was blind to a lot of the dirt Dublin pulled on the day, he doesn't on this one. He and his linesman had a perfect view of it. And he did stop the game even though you could see the guy was momentarily knocked out and he also did not give so much as a free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I have huge sympathy for referees, single handedly taking charge of 30 players on a huge playing surface in front of thousands of passionate fans with the live TV cameras rolling. Every decision scrutinised by "experts" who have the benefit of slow motion replays from all angles while the man making the decision has to do it in real time while running around the pitch and having to keep track of injury time, subs, ticks, cards and players diving, sledging and trying to pull the wool over his eyes at every turn. Referees are in a no win situation and I don't know why anyone would do it. There should be two refs one for each half of the pitch.

    The commentary around Conor Lane after the game was absolutely disgraceful, maybe he didn't have his best game, nobody is perfect, but he has been filleted. I thought Oisin McConville's comments on the Sunday Game were disgraceful and they were cowardly as well because a ref is an easy target, he has no comeback and slating him is playing to the gallery. These modern pundits are all savvy about mental health issues in modern society, no one seems to care about the effect this public execution of Lane could have on the mental health of Lane or his family.

    Aiden O'Shea had an absolute nightmare of a game Saturday, he had a much worse game than Lane but I didn't here any pundit nailing him to the cross the way Lane was. How bad of a gaffe would a ref have to make to equate to an inter County player missing a free kick from 14 yards out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,516 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You were going well until the bizarre last paragraph. Comparing a player's form on the day to a litany of missed offences in favour of one team.

    That is the issue here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    I can understand the ref thinking the shoulder in real time was a fair shoulder. He can be excused for missing the elbow at the end of 70 minutes. Missing paddy Smalls high hit with a closed fist as well, I thought it was just high myself. You could say he let the game flow by not giving frees for every small tug. Not giving the black card at the end of the game could also be excuse as he thought the player just pulled him back and the Mayo player fell over easily.

    However letting the game continue after the Small shoulder was inexcusable. He saw the player fall and not move. He deserves to be called out as a major part of his job is player safety and he failed badly on that count.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I'd agree with that except the black card - blatantly obvious cynicism. And to give a yellow card shows he saw it, but bottled the decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Manzoor14


    Well that's not really true. About two minutes after McConville commented on Lane's performance, they showed a clip of AOS coming in from the sideline to tussle with Philly McMahon. McConville commented that is was the only thing AOS had done all game (or something along those lines).

    You don't need a slow mo reply to see that McLaughlin was nearly prone as he was falling. Foul or not, Lane risked the player's health by not stopping the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Well said.

    the ref was never going to win no matter what. Just look at both set of supporters and the way both are saying they should have had a million frees in their favour.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Did he question O'Sheas bottle or his actual ability to play Gaelic Football because that what he did to Lane, its cowardly and playing to the gallery and he should have been pulled on it.

    How can anyone say that he saw that McLaughlin was in trouble as a result of the hit, maybe he didn't, we are talking mili seconds here. I'm sure if he realised th player was knocked out he would have stopped thd game straight away.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,545 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    To be fair, I actually agree with the original poster. While it is blatant and obvious cynicism, the rule is that only a deliberate pull down is a black card offence. In this case, the Dublin player blatantly tugged the jersey to stop the player getting away, but didn't cause the Mayo player to go to ground (the Mayo player went to ground themselves). I think 100% it should be a black card offence, but it's not as per the rules.




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    I was trying to stay out of this thread, as I said earlier its a game, move on one team won another didn't but just wanted to add this.

    I reffed an u11 game last night, one of the opposition got hit in the head, miliseconds, but as per what we are told, we stopped the game as it was an obvious head injury. Deegan and Lane, both within 10m of the incident are well trained to know what they should have done.

    How AOS and Lane are in the same category is beyond me. One is responsible for ALL player safety and their decisions on the pitch directly relate to how a player finishes the game. In the case of too many decisions Lane AND his team missed way too much. These guys are selected as the elite refs in the country due to their ability to make the correct decisions. Unfortunatly and its not just not involving Mayo but Lane has missed way to much over the years. In Eoghan McLaughlins case now he has been left with the chance to play in an AI final, to live his life properly for the next 3 months, use a straw to feed himself, have to get his teeth replaced and that could have been Con O'Callaghan or ANO from any other team. Bringing AOS into this is just weird sorry. He missed a free big deal.

    On top of listening to Pillar Caffery been wheeled out now for the last few days, we are accused as been whingers but his excuses and whining is new level.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    You really think it takes modern conditioning and millions of euro to take a team capable of running for 60 minutes and turn it into a team capable of running for 70?

    The issue was not teams gassing, it was that Dublin had an excellent panel, and they had players sitting on their bench or even outside their match squad that would walk into any other team.

    That is not the case any more, Dublin did not have the same depth to change the game at the weekend. Look I am no expert, but IMO better Mayo teams than the one on Saturday have lost to Dublin the past few years, it is clear the Dubs are not the team they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭jacool


    I can see Hickey's dark glasses on there. Only assuming his guide dog is out of shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Cynical play is a black card offence now. Every one of the analysts put this offence as a black card. With an offence is off the ball whether it is cynical or not come into play. You do not need to pull down the player is that is why body checks are black card offences. This was a body check from behind. It was cynical play and is what the black cards came in for. If you read the rule on BC cynical play is covered in it

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,545 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Certain cynical play is a black card. Deliberately colliding with a player off the ball is a black card offence. Pulling a player's shirt, either on or off the ball is not a black card. Shirt pulling is not "colliding" with a player. Basquel's black card was a textbook example of that kind of offence. The GAA did a video of this particular offence here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR-JNtk5GrI

    And the below is directly from the rules regarding black cards. The Dublin player was smart enough not to stray over the line with any of the below fouls. It was an incredibly cynical foul and should be included in the below list, but it's not.

    Category II Infractions – Cynical Behaviour

    5.10 To deliberately pull down an opponent.

    5.11 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand(s), arm, leg or foot.

    5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

    5.13 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.

    5.14 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or teammate



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