Gulf stream goes,what's next

I am not so sure unless we start to put serious levies on Chinese tat and Asian and Australian imports.

China is still opening coal burning power stations, it dose not expect to see a reduction in coal usage until 2O26. That another way of saying it will not reach peak coal usage until 2026. That means it will be a other 10+ years before China probably stars to reduce its carbon footprint. Carbon footprint of individual Chinese citizens is now higher than EU citizens and is fact approaching US citizen carbon footprint.

Australia another big offender intends to carry out no additional actions to mitigate against climate change. Another good piece from Colm McCarthy on the back of last week's rag. Unless there is a technical solution found I cannot see any action mitigating the present rise in temperatures

Higher sea and air temperatures evaporate more moisture into the the air above the Atlantic. This gets carried over us to fall as more rain than we’ve had before.

There's been a cold pool in the Atlantic these past few years. Could be ice melt from Canada and Greenland.

One thing you'd notice is chance of snow coming in from the northwest and west during winter. 15, 20 years ago that was a rarity from that direction.

But the higher the temperature gradient between areas and if those areas are near each other the stronger the winds, the stronger the storms.

It’s about reciprocal trade.

Europe (the Germans and French) get to send over cars so we have to take stuff in return. Globally there should be boycotting of countries allowing deforestation

We’ve all been seeing the climate shift over time, I’m not 50 and can see it.

weve gone from a summer where a family could make hay with peg rakes and forks, field at a time to a summer where it’s often hard to get 3 consecutive days to make and wrap a bit of silage.

winters where there would have been a 2 -3 inch snow covering lasting a week being a regular occurrence. Now we have a snow fall occasionally and it’s gone in a few days. I’d say we haven’t had sufficient dry snow to make a snowman in 6 years.

a sudden major change in the Gulf Stream would bring much more sudden severe changes and like you say, marginal farms would likely become impossible to farm intensively

Kinda funny how folks talk from both sides of the mouth. They are giving out about deforestation of the Amazon rainforest, the Chinese using Coal for electric yet they are happy to buy Weanling crunch/ Dairy nuts etc full of Soya and Maize from the deforested lands while tapping away on the Chinese made iphone.

No child is more that a bike ride from a GAA club, yet they're driven there and back and the parents drive home in between.

Also driven to protests about the older generation allowing climate change also while tapping away at their chinese Iphones.

Climate change will be like civid, no personal responsibility so the only alternative is tax increase.

I have to say I'll opt to pay the increased taxes, unlikely to change lifestyle here, I'm sure I won't be alone on this.

OH goes mad when I throw everything into the one bin

Actually the type of ocean current flowing past a particular continent has a huge influence on their climate, i just taught this to second years a few months ago. I think theres a warm ocean current coming down from Alaska past the Canadian west coast that brings rain and moisture, theres a cold current flows up from south America as far as LA and that brings dry conditions. The place this is most stark is the east coast of south Africa and the west coast. If you go on Google Earth you can see it, both same latitudes , both on the coast of the same land area, but on the west coast of sothern Africa is a cold current and that leaves you with the Kalahari desert and pure desert conditions in most of Namibia contrast that to the east coast of southern Africa and you have a warm ocean current, that leaves you with Mozambique , Durban all green , moist and vegetative.

You can see the same thing play out in mid latitudes around the world

Id be very optimistic youll see a complete 360 reversal on any policies they try and implement, food security of a nation/continents is literally on a knife edge at the minute, the total crop failures in canada and large swathes of western america, combined with the bread basket of america califronia facing huge issues with water supply for agriculture effectively shutting down huge areas of land as lake meade dries up will really hit home into 2022, noting will force politicians to row back draconian environmental regulations then empty supermarket shelves

Most environmentalists and vegans have no real understanding of what is need to prevent climate change. There is absolutely no point in 15-20% of the world (mainly sections of European and US society) making huge efforts if the rest of the word is increasing greenhouse gases faster than we lower out output. Brazil, China, Australia and a lot of Asia and African countries are in increasing carbon at a phenomenal rate.

This project is doomed to failure unless we find a technical solution or all countries cone on board

It reads like the lack of Environmental regs in the likes of the US,Aus, Brazil etc. is actually the cause of poor harvests as the ground water supply is fast disappearing due to over abstraction for intensive farming or is so heavily contaminated with pesticides its not safe to use. EG. The biggest river system in Oz (Murray/Darling) is now only at 20% of its pre-European Settlement flow while GM Soya production in Mato Grosso has contaminated many of the headwaters of the Amazon and Argentinas biggest river with pesticides and significantly reduced their flows.

I think things will double down. They'll look at the area where 50% of the world's bread grain is grown turning in to arid soil.

It'll scare the living sh87 out of them.

Another tough year there and you'll see revolution and uprisings again across much of the world.

The Arab Spring started off on less of a blow to American harvests

Quick note - Gulf Stream (ocean current) and jet Stream (air current) are 2 different things. A lot of people mixed these up.