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Road to Tokyo 2020 - Irish Olympic News

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A fair bit of bad luck I would suggest. The rowers and boxers for example nearly all performed really well , very few disappointments or under-performances. This is important as it suggests most athletes were well prepared and well coached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,863 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    The young guys in the 49'er in sailing were damn unlucky as well, they had to be in with a shout in the medal race if it wasn't for the harness cock-up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, and they even won two races.

    I'm still very hopeful for Kellie Harrington anyway. She has a great draw and cannot meet the other top seed until the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    Said footballers team tried (bottled) to defend a 1 goal lead after scoring in the 2nd minute of a Euro final😂

    The 'Engerland'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    Since athletics week of Olympics has arrived I miss Jerry Kiernan.

    Derval and Sonia are excellent,but i miss that voice and knowledge in the studio.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, Jerry was hugely knowledgeable - you could tell he was doing tons of analysis and knew his stuff inside out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    It's great to have 3 medals. So many times I remember not having a medal by the last day. 1984, John Tracey silver in the last event. 1988 nothing. 1996 was..1996. 2000 one silver, Sonia. 2004, the horse ate something dodgy for breakfast. 2012, London, near home our best. 2 silver in Rio. So our second best games ever, after London, since Tisdall and O'Callaghan in 1928 and 1932. If Kellie Harrington medals it'll be a great games.

    Paris will see a lot of our athletes peak and near home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,863 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Just to add to this, hopefully this Olympics,and all the disappointments and bad breaks, will have provided a steep learning curve that will make them all the stronger psychologically for next time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,778 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There is also a lot of talk about "building for Paris" so hopefully that good and it's great to see us finally put a plan in place rather than just hoping a generational talent magically appears



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Eire? Calling him an embarrassment? Very edgy.

    When are you competing for gold in the keyboard warrior final?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We're way ahead of where we were 30 years ago. Some big breakthroughs at these games - the women's hockey team and the rugby 7s making their Olympic debut, an Olympic gymnast in the final.

    Rhys McCleneghan and Rhasidat Adeleke would be my two to watch in Paris - I think Aoife O'Rourke can medal in boxing as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    1932 (2 golds), 1956 (1 Gold, five medals) and 2012 (1 Gold, 6 medals) would all be ahead of 2020+1 as things stand. Statistically 1996 as well of course - but even even if you ignore the asterisk over that one the fact that all medals were won by the same person reduces the overall success of the team somewhat I think.

    So I'd say fourth best to date, despite a disappointing day today. Kellie Harrington might still put this one in contention for the top 3 if she wins or makes her final at least.


    Meanwhile Tom Barr has run the seventh fastest time in the 400 hurdles semi finals...and hasn't made the final. Sums up our day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Oldira


    Rowers went in with four serious medal chances and won two. The performance of the Double Sculls was woeful. I think we underachieved in Rowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Utterly gutting day today. Nothing went right in boxing, golf, gymnastics and 400m hurdles. I'm absolutely deflated.

    Some of the rubbish being spouted here though. Olympic medals are HARD to win. A medal chance does not equate to an expected medal. And even expected medals don't always come good. Its sport. Surprises happen. Look at the men's 100m today.

    How anyone can call 2 medals in rowing an underachievement is beyond me.

    I think we will end up with 4 medals. If so, that's 15 medals in last 4 Games. In the previous 80 years or so we only won 20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What do you mean about 1996? I recall it well, Michelle Smith - our greatest Olympian who wiped the eyes of the Americans and Aussies etc. Any other country and she'd be a national hero. Ireland - no we don't like people to be too successful and particularly not successful women in the 1990s. I still recall the various media hacks who tore into her in the years following and still regard them with absolute contempt.

    As for this year, deserved medals in the rowing and a little unlucky in some other events but you make your own luck as well. Boxing? We have a bronze medal from an athlete who has only got to a semi final and has to give a bye. Most other sports, that wouldn't rank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But five boats reached the semis and the two finalists both medalled.

    Sanita and the pair clearly underperformed, but the other four boats fared extremely well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Apparently Sanita was unwell on the day of her semi final but I don`t know why things went so badly for Doyle and Byrne. All quiet about what happened to them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    No, we just don't like celebrating 'achievements' that were, almost certainly, achieved by the usage of performance-enhancing drugs. What's difficult to understand about that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    I heard a rumour that one of them got bad sunburn. Not joking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It would only take one of them being completely off form to drag the other guy down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Olympic sport is cruel. On a personal level, I'd have sympathy for the likes of Rhys, Sinita (to a certain extent), even Walsh, but the are they only Pop up every 4 years, or 5 in this case, adds to the pressure and stress on everyone, both physically and physiologicaly.


    These stresses can manifest in sickness, injuries, and what seem either dumb mistakes or dumb luck. Rhys will do that routine a thousand times and never Fvck up like he did again, why did it happen this time?? Pressure, stresses on the muscular system, that's why. I feel for the guy, its cruel, but it's all a part of the game im afraid.


    There are many instances of it this year, eg Biles, Sinita, becoming ill, the likes of Asher Smith with a muscle injury recently, over training or pushing too hard is a common cause for this.....even back to Sydney with Sonia getting 'stomach cramps'.

    Elite sport, and Olympic sport, is cruel and high pressure, and being able to deal with the stresses and strains in your body is a big part of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There's absolutely no proof that Michelle Smith was doping in the 1996 Olympics. If there is, please provide it. If there isn't then people should stop making allegations and her reputation should rightfully be restored.

    If you want to go down that road, you can throw inferences at the top performers in practically every event and sport at the Olympics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Oldira


    It’s an underachievement in comparison to what was expected. RTEs rowing analyst said the same. The doubles and pairs made it to the semis alright but remember 12 teams made the semis out of 13 competing. Of course winning two medals is fantastic but two boats tanking was a little disappointing. That said the performance of Casey and Cremin is a good sign for the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Look, history would tell us that EVERY medal and winning performance should be looked at with some scepticism unfortunately. Michelle Smith is one of many, for instance, if she's to be vilified by the US in particular, let them hand back the medals won by every sprinter of theirs who has had questions asked about them in the 80s and 90s, eg, Carl Lewis, Flo Jo FFS, and to our neighbours with all the shenanigans from SIR David Brailsford and Sir Mo not being able to hear his doorbell.

    I'd have a lot of questions about Michelle's medals, but she was a product of her time, and that was and I suspect is still a large part of 'the game' at the top level.

    Frankly, she was never caught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    It's not that crazy. If you get bad sunstroke it can affect things like sleep, and that affects performance. In Eamonn Coghlan's book he talks about stupidly shaving his body hair for the first time ever the night before the 1976 Olympic final. He was in such agony, he couldn't sleep, and her underperformed in the final. He thought shaving his body would make him faster.

    Not saying for sure the sunburn was the reason, but I was told that from somebody over at the Games, and it makes sense seen as no explanation has been given for such a poor showing. If there was an injury we'd be told, but who wants to admit a schoolboy error of not putting on suncream in 34 degree sun?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭omeara1113


    I agree Michelle Smith is largely forgotten about in 1996 great achievement by her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Problem is you how do you tie in the success of 1996 with the tampering of a doping sample in 1998?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Sonia`s physical problems happened in Atlanta not Sydney. She won the 5000m silver in 2000.



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