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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One of the great failings of much of the Left in recent years is the condescending, nasty, and insulting tone given to anyone with whom they disagree; no matter what their intention nor their motivation.

    That, plus throwing in an -ism or -phobia is all that's missing (of which we have heard many throughout the last couple of pages).

    Whilst there are legitimate cases to use -isms or -phobias, they tend to be massively overused by the Left and applied to anyone, for any reason, as long as the target is not part of the same political tribe as themselves.

    But let's not let facts get in the way of our discussion.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You likened Rashford to Jimmy Savile and claimed he's making a profit from his charity work. You have not provided any evidence. So I'd say that's a pretty nasty tone based on no evidence since the Spectator expose has yet to even be published and likely never will....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    They ruin and derail every thread on here with their condescending, nasty and derogatory slurs.

    They have to make everything personal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    do you assume that everybody that agrees with you is "the left"?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You tried to pretend Brexit voters are a race so you could call someone here racist with no basis for doing so.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    they also pretended that people who voted for brexit are farage supporters.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can complain to Eskimo who has brought it up... It's also relevant since Andrew Neil is the chairman of the Spectator so directly associated with GB News.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep. Standard play the man not the ball tactics. As I said, conservatism is a worthless and dead ideology.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Exactly. They only have faux empathy for minorities in an attempt to get their vote and couldn't care less about anyone else least of all their opinions. One would have be super naive to think the current day focus on equality diversity and so on has anything to do with empathy. What we see is the some old socialists reinventing themselves and if the UK is anything to go by it's not getting them anyway because thankfully some people weren't born yesterday. In fact one of the reasons the UK's Labour are doing so particularly badly is because they have bought into all of that woke nonsense. The reality is some of them are so genuinely nasty that the idea that they are at the same time empathetic caring people is laughable. Owen Jones - genuinely nice guy, lol.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    "Conservatism is a worthless and dead ideology"

    Really, you come out with a ludicrous blanket statement like that and expect people to belive that you arent being disengenuous ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Engage then. What worth is there when conservatives so desperately need safe spaces like GB News where dissent leads to dismissal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Why would I engage with disengenuous posters ?

    Its a futile process.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To prove me wrong. The ad hominem just reinforces my point. I laid out my reasoning earlier and I've yet to see any sort of attempt at an intellectual rebuttal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    They seem to want a libertarian wasteland where public services are nil. Healthcare is pay as you earn. Empathy is seen as absolutely weakness and should not be tolerated. Differences like skin colour gender or sex should be only discussed when given the green light from a conservative minority. Press is tightly controlled by government and education should be limited to the classics.


    These people can only ever exist in the internet space . When they spill out into reality they get vilified and shown up for who they are. Shouty loopers like that ex NHS 5G nurse. This form of attempts to rewrite the human social contract should not be tolerated frankly . And no that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. It means you don't have the right to deliberately minimise others based on their differences.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think it's more about various form privilege than specifically public services. Public services, after all represent a vast source of public wealth that can easily be transferred to the right people.

    Some of them seem to have realised that conservatism no longer cuts it in the marketplace of ideas. Historically, it would evolve, most recently when Margaret Thatcher's Tory party embraced neoliberalism. The problem that caused is that it eroded the social contract and cut people out of entering the trappings of society by which the next generation of right wing voters is born. There's no downside to voting for higher property taxes if you're never going to own property.

    Differences such as those you mention are fine as long as said people know their place. Fortunately, we don't live in that world any more. The trade off is that now such things are used to divide society as we can't have anyone asking too many questions about tax evasion, billionaire space races and austerity now, can we?

    The fact that Marcus Rashford can't be criticised without bringing in Jimmy Saville really does encapsulate modern right wing thought perfectly.

    To put it a bit more succinctly, there seems to be a large cohort of people who are happy to vote against their own interest if people they despise can be made to suffer. The Brexit vote is a perfect example. Conservatism is just a scam where you convince the ethnic majority to vote for scam artists who denude their prospects. Then they get triggered when immigrants move in to work.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    In many ways you have to ask the basics.


    Whatever happened to 'just being sound' .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As you said, this sort of edgy-libertarian mind bleach only really appears on forums. I've yet to meet a real person who thinks that the vaccine is part of some genocide attempt though I am glad the bad weather here scuppered my planned visit to the National Gallery. I'd no idea there was a c*nt convention planned.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭iwasliedto


    I wonder with the dismal offerings from GB News how long they can last. They must be hemorrhaging money and have very little income stream from customers. With the tiny viewing numbers they cannot be long for this world in its present form. I wonder will they first start laying off staff and then gradually wither or will they go out with a bang? I cannot see investors throwing good money after bad for too long. If they make it until winter I will be surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,763 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The important thing whatever way they go is to make sure to whinge constantly about how it was the vested interests in the "woke left" who caused it to fail and not the fact it was just a poor idea



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,024 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Seems like the "silent majority" would also rather just sit in silence than watch GB News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Says the guy who laughingly called me a racist, the only person so far to use a label has been YOU!!!



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't compare Rashford to Jimmy Saville.

    I raised the very real problem where wealthy, powerful people often cloak inappropriate behaviour behind the veil of charity - advancing their own self-interest whilst pretending to care about the charitable cause.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thus comparing Rashford with Saville. It's disgusting. If you don't like Rashford, you could have said so but you had to bring Saville into this and it's fairly obvious why.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    and what inappropriate behaviour are you suggesting that rashford was involved with?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yes , yes you did.

    You suggested that Jimmy Saville using his charitable works to obfuscate his Pedophilia was somehow analogous to the as yet unproven and unpublished possible allegations of some sort of as yet unknown acts of financial impropriety by Marcus Rashford on foot of his Charitable works.

    It's a very poor quality ,shoddy dog whistle but it's still a Dog whistle none the less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭jamule


    I though Nige's charity was the RNLI, i was sure he has been working on highlighting thier excellent work.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You haven't illustrated him engaging in inappropriate behaviour. Eg we do know Rashford contributes a substantial portion of his wealth to charity. Have you any proof that he receives more money back than he contributes? No? Then you're engaging in speculation with no basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,097 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Unfortunately this is simply typical of that posters content. Ill thought out hammering at the keyboard which ends up sounding like mindless dreck. If footballers had just stuck to what the were good at, there'd still be bananas thrown at black players like there were in the 80's.



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