The Pat Kenny Show

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 10:28AM

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't like it. I think it could work but allow antigen testing for people who are not vaccinated. I get there are a lot of things that are two tier but this is for me the last straw. I will be fully vaccinated in next few days so it won't affect me but it seems to me that they are tailoring the policy solely to older population who vote FF and FG (although FG have some younger voters).

For gods sake! Everyone who wants one will get a vaccine within a month or two then they can sit indoors, its all about me, me, me! No one ever died from waiting a few weeks to be able to sit inside a restaurant, how did Irish society ever get so bloody entitled?

whisky_galore · 30-06-2021 10:28AM

Dja known wha I mean...

He doesn't sound at all shady.

southstar · 30-06-2021 10:40AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

All the experts told us in the earlier stages of the pandemic that you can get infected through your eyes. Of, course, they also told us that transmission was primarily by touching infected surfaces, (wash your hands). And I remember when the experts were advising against wearing masks.
So, it’s hard to blame some people for being a bit confused about what’s safe and what isn’t.
Are you going mad?………….that’s entirely possible.

Like you say....all in the past...
Development of guidelines around Covid has been and still is a work in progress based on real world experience...but basic rules seem to be well established by now.
Risk assessment is used to offset uncertainty ...and mostly basic common sense stuff I'd say

meeeeh · 30-06-2021 10:47AM

Technocentral wrote: »

For gods sake! Everyone who wants one will get a vaccine within a month or two then they can sit indoors, its all about me, me, me! No one ever died from waiting a few weeks to be able to sit inside a restaurant, how did Irish society ever get so bloody entitled?

How will businesses police if someone un vaccinated moves from outdoor area to inside? Testing and vaccination rates is a system that works well in other countries. I'll ask you something else. What makes Irish so special that that antigen testing doesn't work on them? Should we leave our kids to stand outside if we go out for a meal after everyone is vaccinated? How many businesses should go under and how many unsupervised parties in houses should go on because we won't use testing?

Stop with the entitled bs. It's not about entitlement it's about trying things to make life easier for as many people as possible. It's about finding solutions that don't just include being locked in.

Another question, why do countries like Germany and Denmark have lower rates of infection despite opening more and less people vaccinated? Maybe it's because they don't have NPHET.

2smiggy · 30-06-2021 10:47AM

missed most of the show, but am very surprised to see Pat had the professional lay about John from Cork on. He has many many options that no one wants to hear.

I would have heard him on the likes of Niall Boylan etc over the years, but did not think Pat would have him on. Did he have a similar opinion as Pat on antigen testing or something ?

Infoanon · 30-06-2021 10:56AM

2smiggy wrote: »

missed most of the show, but am very surprised to see Pat had the professional lay about John from Cork on. He has many many options that no one wants to hear.

I would have heard him on the likes of Niall Boylan etc over the years, but did not think Pat would have him on. Did he have a similar opinion as Pat on antigen testing or something ?

Pat was really scraping the barrel having John on - John started by (mis) quoting Luke O Neil.....

Pat did of course bring up antigen testing but John was to busy telling Pat about the thousands like him who don't want to put poison into them and that the Tanaiste was discriminating against who by not allowing him to have a pint indoors.......

Very dissapointed to hear such nonsense on PK

30-06-2021 11:02AM

I missed a chunk of the show this morning and was wondering what movie did they cover this week in Bill Hughes segment?

meeeeh · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

Bugsy

BPKS · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

zorro2566 wrote: »

I missed a chunk of the show this morning and was wondering what movie did they cover this week in Bill Hughes segment?

Bugsy

Klonker · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

Technocentral wrote: »

For gods sake! Everyone who wants one will get a vaccine within a month or two then they can sit indoors, its all about me, me, me! No one ever died from waiting a few weeks to be able to sit inside a restaurant, how did Irish society ever get so bloody entitled?

Grand, I'll leave me kids outside in the rain. There isn't even a plan to vaccinate kids yet. And it's not a month or 2 for adults, all adults aren't expected to be fully vaccinated until the end of September, 3 months away. Most countries in Europe have indoor dining for all open for months now and our 18 year olds will be expected to wait until October to go inside for a pint and you think that's fair or reasonable.

Its being made out like open indoor dining and it's the apocalypse here but keep it just for vaccinated it'll be like nirvana. Only part of this argument is about indoor dining, it's about NPHET overstepping the line time and time again and it's time for government to do what they're elected to do and start making some decisions in running this country.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

zorro2566 wrote: »

I missed a chunk of the show this morning and was wondering what movie did they cover this week in Bill Hughes segment?

Bugsy 1991

whisky_galore · 30-06-2021 11:05AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I don't think that thought ever enters people's heads.

It's up to the council and tax payer to pay for everything.

Usual double standards.

Private LL, should pay for upkeep of property.
Council LL.....?

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 11:07AM

Klonker wrote: »

Grand, I'll leave me kids outside in the rain. There isn't even a plan to vaccinate kids yet. And it's not a month or 2 for adults, all adults aren't expected to be fully vaccinated until the end of September, 3 months away.

Its being made out like open indoor dining and it's the apocalypse here but keep it just for vaccinated it'll be like nirvana. Only part of this argument is about indoor dining, it's about NPHET overstepping the line time and time again and it's time for government to do what they're elected to do and start making some decisions in running this country.

So indoor dining should remain shut until you and your kids can go, utter nonsense, why do you care if a vaccinated group or couple or single person has a indoor meal, you wont die of starvation.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 11:11AM

meeeeh wrote: »

How will businesses police if someone un vaccinated moves from outdoor area to inside? Testing and vaccination rates is a system that works well in other countries. I'll ask you something else. What makes Irish so special that that antigen testing doesn't work on them? Should we leave our kids to stand outside if we go out for a meal after everyone is vaccinated? How many businesses should go under and how many unsupervised parties in houses should go on because we won't use testing?

Stop with the entitled bs. It's not about entitlement it's about trying things to make life easier for as many people as possible. It's about finding solutions that don't just include being locked in.

Another question, why do countries like Germany and Denmark have lower rates of infection despite opening more and less people vaccinated? Maybe it's because they don't have NPHET.

They will ask for either the digital or paper vax cert as discussed, or are all pub/restaurant owners simpletons? Choice open up for vaxxed customers make money or stay closed dont make money, not rocket science!!!

meeeeh · 30-06-2021 11:11AM

Technocentral wrote: »

So indoor dining should remain shut until you and your kids can go, utter nonsense, why do you care if a vaccinated group or couple or single person has a indoor meal, you wont die of starvation.

What a lovely attitude.

Edit: I only saw you reply to me now. I can clearly see you want everyone just to shut up and put up... Which is fine but not everyone likes to be a doormat.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 11:15AM

meeeeh wrote: »

What a lovely attitude.

Edit: I only saw you reply to me now. I can clearly see you have an attitude shut up and put up... Which is fine but not everyone likes to be a doormat.

Explain why businesses run by competent people shouldn't be allowed to open up to the vast amount of vaccinated customers and make money? Ireland one of the most selfish, entitled Countries on Earth. Boo Hoo, i can't go so it should be shut.

meeeeh · 30-06-2021 11:21AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Explain why businesses run by competent people shouldn't be allowed to open up to the vast amount of vaccinated customers and make money?

I think they should be able to open to anyone with green pass. And that we should allow antigen testing. You tell me what makes our response so much superior to Danish despite them having lower numbers and hospitality open?

By the way I think I have a bit more experience about running a business (competent or not) and while I'm in completely different sector I might a have bit more knowledge about the issues than someone on internet who knows all about how businesses should be run without aver actually trying to do it.

Anyway it's pretty clear that younger people clocked out long ago or our transmission numbers wouldn't be so stubbornly high. All this will achieve is SF in next government.

Klonker · 30-06-2021 11:36AM

Technocentral wrote: »

So indoor dining should remain shut until you and your kids can go, utter nonsense, why do you care if a vaccinated group or couple or single person has a indoor meal, you wont die of starvation.

My point is it should be open to all. If NPHET weren't against antigen testing we could show negative tests to enter. No country in Europe is doing what's proposed for here. They've all been open for months also. So we're going to open later than the rest with even more restriction. Why can't we open to all on the 19th July? Where's NPHETs projections for that? Is the modelling taking account of faster vaccine rollout due to NIAC advice? Are they taking account of schools closed? I highly doubt about they've taken account of any of those things. What's the probability of each scenario outlined by the modelling? The modelling is being used to get what NPHET wanted before hand, it's confirmation bias. It's an absolute joke and I can't believe anyone thinks it's a good idea or reasonable.

thegetawaycar · 30-06-2021 11:39AM

Technocentral wrote: »

For gods sake! Everyone who wants one will get a vaccine within a month or two then they can sit indoors, its all about me, me, me! No one ever died from waiting a few weeks to be able to sit inside a restaurant, how did Irish society ever get so bloody entitled?

I'd like to believe that to be true but I've already seen the Schools reopening being thrown out. Don't expect everything to open any time soon.

Klonker · 30-06-2021 11:45AM

Technocentral wrote: »

Explain why businesses run by competent people shouldn't be allowed to open up to the vast amount of vaccinated customers and make money? Ireland one of the most selfish, entitled Countries on Earth. Boo Hoo, i can't go so it should be shut.

Entitled? No other country in the world would put up with what we've put up with here. We're treated like children and everyone just laps it up.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 11:54AM

Serious question, why would it annoy people on here so much if a restaurant said, we are only allowing indoor dining to those who have proof of vaccination? I can't see the problem at all, vaccines are free and coming to all adults who don't have them yet, in the mean time eat /drink outside, at home etc, live your life, you wont die for lack of indoor dining. If other restuarants say or negative antigen tests thats fine too, personally I'd prefer to go to ones insisting on vaccines only.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 11:56AM

Klonker wrote: »

Entitled? No other country in the world would put up with what we've put up with here. We're treated like children and everyone just laps it up.

Life's tough, get on with it.

Klonker · 30-06-2021 12:20PM

Technocentral wrote: »

Serious question, why would it annoy people on here so much if a restaurant said, we are only allowing indoor dining to those who have proof of vaccination? I can't see the problem at all, vaccines are free and coming to all adults who don't have them yet, in the mean time eat /drink outside, at home etc, live your life, you wont die for lack of indoor dining. If other restuarants say or negative antigen tests thats fine too, personally I'd prefer to go to ones insisting on vaccines only.

You're making out it's either vaccinated or nobody. I'm saying from 19th July it should be everyone or if bringing in a cert accept antigen tests like every other country on the Europe who implemented this system.

You keep making out like I'm being selfish with this view, it's actually the opposite. Cert won't be ready until August I'd imagine, thats one of the best months on the year down the drain for the trade for no reason what so ever.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 12:34PM

Klonker wrote: »

You're making out it's either vaccinated or nobody. I'm saying from 19th July it should be everyone or if bringing in a cert accept antigen tests like every other country on the Europe who implemented this system.

You keep making out like I'm being selfish with this view, it's actually the opposite. Cert won't be Reay until August I'd imagine, thats one of the best months on the year down the drain for the trade for no reason what so ever.

You make some fair points Im more against the people who say that Vaccine Passports are discrimination. Getting them quickly will be problematic though especially knowing how slow stuff moves here.

30-06-2021 03:32PM

Technocentral wrote: »

For gods sake! Everyone who wants one will get a vaccine within a month or two then they can sit indoors, its all about me, me, me! No one ever died from waiting a few weeks to be able to sit inside a restaurant, how did Irish society ever get so bloody entitled?

It's not about dying, it's about fairness.

it's not just a couple of weeks, either. I'm in my 30s and can't even register for a vaccination yet. When I can, it will take up to three weeks to offer an appointment. Presuming the vaccination is Pfizer, it will probably be closer to three months from today before I am fully inoculated.

In the meantime, if I had a job in a restaurant, I would be expected to work there every day until October, whilst barred from having a cup of coffee in that establishment.

Personally, I don't care. I am happy outdoors. But there are a lot of wet evenings ahead until October, or November in the case of people who are actually restaurant staff, and in their teens or 20s. The world and his brother can see what a stupidity this is.

Too dangerous to drink coffee, but you can work there for months, for 8 hours a day in safety. Come off it.

Again, I don't have a problem with the restrictions in principle, the rules are just not practical.

Technocentral · 30-06-2021 04:47PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's not about dying, it's about fairness.

it's not just a couple of weeks, either. I'm in my 30s and can't even register for a vaccination yet. When I can, it will take up to three weeks to offer an appointment. Presuming the vaccination is Pfizer, it will probably be closer to three months from today before I am fully inoculated.

In the meantime, if I had a job in a restaurant, I would be expected to work there every day until October, whilst barred from having a cup of coffee in that establishment.

Personally, I don't care. I am happy outdoors. But there are a lot of wet evenings ahead until October, or November in the case of people who are actually restaurant staff, and in their teens or 20s. The world and his brother can see what a stupidity this is.

Too dangerous to drink coffee, but you can work there for months, for 8 hours a day in safety. Come off it.

Again, I don't have a problem with the restrictions in principle, the rules are just not practical.

That's why I said vaccinated people, wearing a mask they would be fine, why do they have to have a coffee beside people inside, bringing up irrelevant stuff.

whisky_galore · 30-06-2021 06:15PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's not about dying, it's about fairness.

it's not just a couple of weeks, either. I'm in my 30s and can't even register for a vaccination yet. When I can, it will take up to three weeks to offer an appointment. Presuming the vaccination is Pfizer, it will probably be closer to three months from today before I am fully inoculated.

In the meantime, if I had a job in a restaurant, I would be expected to work there every day until October, whilst barred from having a cup of coffee in that establishment.

Personally, I don't care. I am happy outdoors. But there are a lot of wet evenings ahead until October, or November in the case of people who are actually restaurant staff, and in their teens or 20s. The world and his brother can see what a stupidity this is.

Too dangerous to drink coffee, but you can work there for months, for 8 hours a day in safety. Come off it.

Again, I don't have a problem with the restrictions in principle, the rules are just not practical.

Life isn't fair.

If every person employed in hospitality, every teacher, everyone in retail, every guard, taxi driver, every single person who needed to interface with strangers on a daily basis had to get a priority jab..how on earth is that supposed to be organised? Esp taking part timers/gig economy people into account?

30-06-2021 06:27PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Life isn't fair.

If every person employed in hospitality, every teacher, everyone in retail, every guard, taxi driver, every single person who needed to interface with strangers on a daily basis had to get a priority jab..how on earth is that supposed to be organised? Esp taking part timers/gig economy people into account?

I'm not suggesting any change in the vaccination priorities.

I would do something that Pat Kenny suggested once.

Antigen Testing.

meeeeh · 30-06-2021 07:39PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm not suggesting any change in the vaccination priorities.

I would do something that Pat Kenny suggested once.

Antigen Testing.

You can't do that because Irish people will smear themselves in butter just to avoid detection when having covid and going out for a dinner. They would also intentionally cough towards their grandmother in the restaurant to see if Pfizer or AZ works.

I understand why lockdowns are needed, I understand why we need to be careful, however I don't understand why don't we try different methods to find and isolate infected people. One does wonder how many people who thought they have a bit of a cold could discover that they had Covid after doing antigen test to go to the shop, to hairdressers or out for dinner.

Most of the Europe is doing better (incidence in Germany is 25 in comparison to Ireland's 90), some maybe due to higher numbers of younger people being vaccinated. (Donnelly asking for 20 year olds being prioritised agead of 30 and 40 year olds probably wasn't a bad idea). Some maybe due to higher number of people who had Covid but I suspect constant testing makes a difference too.

And yet now someone will have to police toilets to make sure those who are allowed only into a pub garden won't make it inside of the pub after going to the toilet. Or should pubs provide color badges to make sure one of the untouchables doesn't find themselves in the wrong area? Or maybe we should just ban use of toilets for those outside?

All this nonsense because antigen testing is apparently a trojan horse that will help to spread Covid everywhere.

2smiggy · 01-07-2021 09:09AM

Simon Donnelly is just a waffling machine at this stage. Just talks and talks without saying anything, just to get through the interview

The Pat Kenny Show

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