New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

The Raging Bile Duct · 18-06-2021 03:26PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because we can all relate to the over bearing influence the Church had in this country, and normal people can recognize the tendencies in today's ideologues!

The Church directly interfered with the running of the state apparatus. It was a small group dictating how ordinary people should live. If, and it's a big if, the grassroots activism that's involved in the GB News boycott succeeds it will be because the movement has grown popular enough to exert enough pressure to close down the station.

Do you genuinely not see how these situations are the polar opposite of each other?

Tacitus Kilgore · 18-06-2021 03:28PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not going to waste my time engaging with you!

Pretty rich - Have you read your own posts?

You support boycotts but oppose boycotts, you note that people should be "elected" (to what I don't know) in order to carry out or be part of a boycott, you reject the use of loaded language yet seem to have a fondness for the word zealot, and then horse in as many references to religion as you can.

Tell me how · 18-06-2021 03:30PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

And media companies are in my view, more important to society than strip clubs and the people who attempt to do that should never be allowed to succeed.

Zealots should never be allowed more influence than their vote provides them.

You don't see any conflict in these two statements given what GBNews has categorically stated its MO from the day it was first announced?

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 03:31PM

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

The Church directly interfered with the running of the state apparatus. It was a small group dictating how ordinary people should live. If, and it's a big if, the grassroots activism that's involved in the GB News boycott succeeds it will be because the movement has grown popular enough to exert enough pressure to close down the station.

Do you genuinely not see how these situations are the polar opposite of each other?

Genuinely, to me they are the exact same...the tools with which they use to exert their power has changed...but the effect is the exact same.

I get it....you want the station off the air, as do many many posters on this thread.

But you don't get to dictate to me what I can or can't watch....which is what is being attempted with the tools available to a tiny group.

Inquitus · 18-06-2021 03:31PM

Quality product!

https://twitter.com/SoundchesterUK/status/1405889423368204300

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 03:38PM

Tell me how wrote: »

You don't see any conflict in these two statements given what GBNews has categorically stated its MO from the day it was first announced?

Why would I ... the only people who think these people are zealots, are the zealots.

Most people, no matter their political beliefs, will either watch it or they won't, the zealots will be on twitter trying to exert pressure on advertisers.

Most people aren't zealots!

fly_agaric · 18-06-2021 03:39PM

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

The Church directly interfered with the running of the state apparatus. It was a small group dictating how ordinary people should live. If, and it's a big if, the grassroots activism that's involved in the GB News boycott succeeds it will be because the movement has grown popular enough to exert enough pressure to close down the station.

Do you genuinely not see how these situations are the polar opposite of each other?

Think that was all said a few days ago to him/her/it.

They didn't want to understand the clear differences then and were evasive when asked directly if they wanted that type of grassroots campaign outlawed by the state.

I suppose at the moment it is "Team Anti Woke" who hold the whip-hand over in the UK and would be cracking down against the lefty "bedwetters" (not originally my phrase) with such laws.

Once we win it is okay + the ends justify the means. If a few democratic eggs have to be smashed to get what we want so be it. A feature of political extremism on the left and the right.

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 03:42PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

Think that was all said a few days ago to him/her/it.

What a pig ignorant thing to say.

fly_agaric · 18-06-2021 03:44PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

What a pig ignorant thing to say.

LOL

The Raging Bile Duct · 18-06-2021 03:44PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Genuinely, to me they are the exact same...the tools with which they use to exert their power has changed...but the effect is the exact same.

I get it....you want the station off the air, as do many many posters on this thread.

But you don't get to dictate to me what I can or can't watch....which is what is being attempted with the tools available to a tiny group.

Why do you think I want the station off the air? I think it's absolutely hilarious. It's fails are pure gold.

I'm just outlining my support for people's ability to boycott something they disagree with it.

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 03:47PM

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Why do you think I want the station off the air? I think it's absolutely hilarious. It's fails are pure gold.

I'm just outlining my support for people's ability to boycott something they disagree with it.

Fair enough, enjoy the station.

You're missing a cracking Euro's tho....

Tell me how · 18-06-2021 03:50PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why would I ... the only people who think these people are zealots, are the zealots.

Most people, no matter their political beliefs, will either watch it or they won't, the zealots will be on twitter trying to exert pressure on advertisers.

Most people aren't zealots!

Nobody ever self-identified as a zealot.

You are angry that people you think are zealots are doing what they can to prevent people they think are zealots from broadcasting dangerous information.

If you had the opportunity to try to stop the people you think are zealots, you would most definitely take it.
They have that opportunity, they are taking it.

Tony EH · 18-06-2021 03:50PM

The crying is absolutely gas.

"Some people don't like my tele channel, waaaaaah they're zealots"

Fuckin 'ell

Tell me how · 18-06-2021 03:54PM

Tony EH wrote: »

The crying is absolutely gas.

"Some people don't like my tele channel, waaaaaah they're zealots"

Fuckin 'ell

While simultaneously, on this threads or others, talking about the 'perpetually offended'.

Smee_Again · 18-06-2021 04:08PM

Tell me how wrote: »

While simultaneously, on this threads or others, talking about the 'perpetually offended'.

Irony is dead.

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 04:08PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Nobody ever self-identified as a zealot.

You are angry that people you think are zealots are doing what they can to prevent people they think are zealots from broadcasting dangerous information.

If you had the opportunity to try to stop the people you think are zealots, you would most definitely take it.
They have that opportunity, they are taking it.

I think you are projecting a little here...like you need to believe I am angry.

This is a UK media channel, that I haven't watched more than 5 mins of...

I will tune in however when they offer alternate views on issues that will affect us here in Ireland...and I won't be apologizing to anyone when I do.

Assuming they are still on air that is!

The Raging Bile Duct · 18-06-2021 04:12PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I will tune in however when they offer alternate views on issues that will affect us here in Ireland...and I won't be apologizing to anyone when I do.

Who's asking you to apologise? Five hail marys will do the job...

astrofool · 18-06-2021 04:15PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Genuinely, to me they are the exact same...the tools with which they use to exert their power has changed...but the effect is the exact same.

I get it....you want the station off the air, as do many many posters on this thread.

But you don't get to dictate to me what I can or can't watch....which is what is being attempted with the tools available to a tiny group.

I'm not sure many want it off the air, it's a good place to gather all the nationalist chest thumping they like to do, it won't ever be credible so none of their interviews will matter (they'll all be fawning admiration for whichever guest appears) and it'll push other news channels and news more towards the centre (as no one is going to try and go further right than they are).

Plus I'm sure their gaffes will provide continued entertainment to everyone (and if they are losing money, hopefully they suck all their backers dry before disappearing).

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 04:17PM

astrofool wrote: »

I'm not sure many want it off the air, it's a good place to gather all the nationalist chest thumping they like to do, it won't ever be credible so none of their interviews will matter (they'll all be fawning admiration for whichever guest appears) and it'll push other news channels and news more towards the centre (as no one is going to try and go further right than they are).

Plus I'm sure their gaffes will provide continued entertainment to everyone (and if they are losing money, hopefully they suck all their backers dry before disappearing).

Well, if all that manifests itself the public won't tune in in big enough numbers and they'll die a death, wouldn't be the first media company to do so!

astrofool · 18-06-2021 04:23PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, if all that manifests itself the public won't tune in in big enough numbers and they'll die a death, wouldn't be the first media company to do so!

Yep, it's just hard to see right now what their big draw will be without changing what the station is for, they won't be able to get a tucker-lite to draw a crowd and the British don't really do fawning in the style that Lou Dobbs used to do.

HIGNFY will have a field day with it.

Silentcorner · 18-06-2021 04:37PM

astrofool wrote: »

Yep, it's just hard to see right now what their big draw will be without changing what the station is for, they won't be able to get a tucker-lite to draw a crowd and the British don't really do fawning in the style that Lou Dobbs used to do.

HIGNFY will have a field day with it.

Ya...fair point, I'm not sure there isn't a market for it, but it is early days and time will tell...

What I do love about the Brits is they are not afraid to offend and still keep away from the extremes...this station will have to carve out a sustainable audience in a changing media landscape...I'd imagine they won't get away with appealing to a small minority of extremists.

18-06-2021 04:39PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why would I ... the only people who think these people are zealots, are the zealots.

Most people, no matter their political beliefs, will either watch it or they won't, the zealots will be on twitter trying to exert pressure on advertisers.

Most people aren't zealots!

And you wish to make organised boycotting illegal if you don't like it... I would say that's entirely anti democratic. I doubt anyone in this thread is actually participating in such a boycott or even making their feelings known to advertisers. But if they are, they are entitled to do so. I imagine what will simply happen is they'll end up getting advertising from the same groups that advertise on the likes of Breitbart. If they fail to get enough advertising then that's more a case of them not being a particularly viable business. It's a bit like you're trying to find things to blame if they fail.

Inquitus · 18-06-2021 04:44PM

They are far more likely to fall foul of Ofcom's rules on impartiality required of news and current affairs programs, Dan Wootton just spouts one eyed bollox for his full 3 hours every night, can't see that escaping notice.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/section-five-due-impartiality-accuracy

Tony EH · 18-06-2021 04:44PM

From what I've seen of it so far, GB News is a grift. A business model built on a perceived market that some people are so wrapped up in an imported US culture war about "woke" and "Liberals" (in the US sense of the word) and their output is thusly tailored. They've looked at the dross that FOX News churns out in the States and have tried to do an approximation of that in the UK. They think they know that there's an audience out there (and there are some) who are so wrapped up in this silly US culture war that they will see it everywhere and are feeding that group a line they want to hear. An endless repetition of silly catch phrases and simplistic touchstones to placate the simple minded who erroneously believe that they are under some sort of siege.

However, the production value of GB News, regardless of their laughable content, has been strictly amateur hour so far and that, ultimately, is what they will live or die on. Irrespective of any mickey mouse online boycott that may occur, advertisers and patrons will look at what GB News are putting out in terms of quality and that's what they'll eventually make their decision on.

And from anybody's yardstick or water mark, this thing has been an unmitigated disaster so far. Its not a few companies withdrawing ads that they need to be worried about. It's their bigger financial sugar daddies withdrawing their funding that they'll should be fearful of. Once they see that there are no returns on this business model, they'll desert the ship in double time.

GB News's biggest issues are not online boycotts or IKEA. It's their limiting ideological bent, misguided business model, miniscule range of opinion and shoddy product.

KildareP · 18-06-2021 06:40PM

They're using pretty off the shelf broadcast technology (as today's gaffes seem to involve a lot of switching test patterns and confidence logos of the equipment to air instead of showinf actual content), technology which is used glitch free around the world by thousands of other broadcasters. I know they've a lot of stuff happening in the cloud as well, but cameras, audio mixing, graphic insertion, VT, and outside broadcast issues that are showing are all operator error.

It's not a case that GB News got unlucky that all of this equipment collectively should have so many teething issues for them rather it seems they don't have anyone experienced (enough?) on hand to operate any of it in a live environment.

Given this sort of stuff isn't something you can teach yourself how to use overnight, it doesn't bode well that these fails will suddenly right themselves any time soon.

Meanwhile the frustration is becoming very visible on the more experienced presenters faces after what must be a very long week. Can't help but imagine there'll be a lot of career reflection going on over the weekend.

suicide_circus · 18-06-2021 06:50PM

Still on the picket line, lads?

L1011 · 18-06-2021 06:51PM

KildareP wrote: »

Meanwhile the frustration is becoming very visible on the more experienced presenters faces after what must be a very long week. Can't help but imagine there'll be a lot of career reflection going on over the weekend.

For the admittedly very easy to irk Simon McCoy, being caught by an early switch back to studio leaning out of shot looking like thunder suggests that has already started.

Danzy · 18-06-2021 07:05PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Still on the picket line, lads?

Evening tea and Pimm's afterwards, the line is unoccupied currently.

listermint · 18-06-2021 07:40PM

The station that just keeps giving. It's blatantly obvious that experienced knowledgeable engineers didn't want to touch them with a barge pole, because like any experienced intelligent engineer they can see there's no future in selling nonsense.

Won't make the end of the year. Pure laughing stock

Joe_ Public · 18-06-2021 08:19PM

listermint wrote: »

The station that just keeps giving. It's blatantly obvious that experienced knowledgeable engineers didn't want to touch them with a barge pole, because like any experienced intelligent engineer they can see there's no future in selling nonsense.

Won't make the end of the year. Pure laughing stock

No question one or two expert engineers or set designers would do it the world of good, but the people who watch gb news have had enough of experts so it simply wasn't an option.

New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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