The Iceland Volcano Thread

up for anything · 12-06-2021 10:04pm

Kamili wrote: »

Not sure Brave is the word I'd use..

Foolhardy is the polite word.

Oneiric 3 · 12-06-2021 11:27pm

up for anything wrote: »

Foolhardy is the polite word.

Whatever word you want to use, his presence on the crater certainly helps to give it a better sense of scale, certainly to me anyway. Had the idea that the volcano was much smaller than that just going by the cam footage alone.

Dillonb3 · 13-06-2021 12:27am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Whatever word you want to use, his presence on the crater certainly helps to give it a better sense of scale, certainly to me anyway. Had the idea that the volcano was much smaller than that just going by the cam footage alone.

Its not just lava flows or ash that are a threat when it comes to volcanos, volcanic gases could easily have suffocated the person in that video

Gaoth Laidir · 13-06-2021 7:25am

Sorry, what are we looking at here? I don't see anyone there. Am I missing something??

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 8:15am

Gaoth Laidir wrote:

Sorry, what are we looking at here? I don't see anyone there. Am I missing something??

The person is barely visible in the lefthand side of the frame, they move around a bit, until eventually running out of the frame when the eruption kicks off, it's difficult to view on a phone, easier on a bigger screen.

That's the most dangerous thing I've seen around a volcano, I've been to a few now, and that's what you absolutely don't do, they're lucky to be alive, been told Icelandic authorities don't take too kindly to this behaviour, so hopefully they find out who it is

volchitsa · 13-06-2021 8:33am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Brave!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEuLvKTqPwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEuLvKTqPwc

OMG that's crazy footage. What happened to him at the end? I couldn't work out if he was getting out of the flow path or if he was just wandering at random. I couldn't find him in the last 20 seconds or so. Could the gases have overpowered him? Do we know?

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 8:38am

volchitsa wrote:

OMG that's crazy footage. What happened to him at the end? I couldn't work out if he was getting out of the flow path or if he was just wandering at random. I couldn't find him in the last 20 seconds or so. Could the gases have overpowered him? Do we know?

It seems like they run for cover, as the eruption picks up, they run out of the frame eventually. I haven't heard anything else about this incident, but if it's a tourist, I do hope the authorities pick them up, charge them, and escort them to the airport, telling them never to return, bloody idiot

cnocbui · 13-06-2021 10:30am

Charge them for what?

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 10:34am

cnocbui wrote: »

Charge them for what?

oh if i was in law enforcement, id be charging them with as many things as i could find, the volcano is currently off limits, so theres trespassing, endangering oneself, and potentially others, and im sure a whole pile of other things, authorities have the right to revoke visas as well, so id be doing that, if it was a tourist

cnocbui · 13-06-2021 11:28am

Is endangering oneself an offence? I must say I have never heard of it before.

With 30% of Iceland’s population estimated to have visited the volcano, I am fairly confident visiting it is neither trespassing, nor banned, nor illegal: https://classiciceland.com/how-to-see-fagradalsfjall-active-volcano-in-iceland-preperation-direction-and-tips/

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 11:31am

cnocbui wrote: »

Is endangering oneself an offence? I must say I have never heard of it before.

With 30% of Iceland’s population estimated to have visited the volcano, I am fairly confident visiting it is neither trespassing, nor banned, nor illegal: https://classiciceland.com/how-to-see-fagradalsfjall-active-volcano-in-iceland-preperation-direction-and-tips/

unsure, but potentially endangering others should very well be, it would be the case if a rescue was required, the area of the volcano is open to visitors, but not the actual volcano itself, barriers and patrols are in place to prevent access

Tenger · 13-06-2021 11:36am

cnocbui wrote: »

Charge them for what?

Wasting police/rescue resources.
Endangering rescue/medical staff.
Ignoring police/rescue instructions

Maybe throw in "angering the volcano god" for good measure.

Oneiric 3 · 13-06-2021 11:59am

Tenger wrote: »

Wasting police/rescue resources.
Endangering rescue/medical staff.
Ignoring police/rescue instructions

Maybe throw in "angering the volcano god" for good measure.

How is it 'wasting police/rescue resources' when that is exactly what they are being paid (by the Iceland State(tax payer) I presume) to do?

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 12:01pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

How is it 'wasting police/rescue resources' when that is exactly what they are being paid (by the Iceland State(tax payer) I presume) to do?

...so when an area is off limits, is patrolled to prevent access, is okay to send rescuers in, under such conditions, and somehow this is their job?

Oneiric 3 · 13-06-2021 12:05pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...so when an area is off limits, is patrolled to prevent access, is okay to send rescuers in, under such conditions, and somehow this is their job?

Yes.

If they don't want to do their job, then let them take up another career. No one is forcing them to be there.

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 12:13pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Yes.

If they don't want to do their job, then let them take up another career. No one is forcing them to be there.

what a load of horsesh1t, these environments are extremely dangerous, extremely dynamic, all must be vigilant at all times, and respect rules and guidelines as best as possible, for everyones safety. even though ive broken such rules in such situations before, i still stand by this. maybe im more mature now, but ive certainly put myself and potential others in great danger in such situations, by similar actions

Oneiric 3 · 13-06-2021 12:22pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what a load of horsesh1t, these environments are extremely dangerous, extremely dynamic, all must be vigilant at all times, and respect rules and guidelines as best as possible, for everyones safety. even though ive broken such rules in such situations before, i still stand by this. maybe im more mature now, but ive certainly put myself and potential others in great danger in such situations, by similar actions

Iceland is a free country, if people what to climb a volcano in a free land, then that is up to them. Not something I would do myself, but there you go.

And I still don't get the logic that rescuers having to rescue people (in which they seemingly didn't in this case) is a waste of their resources. It just doesn't add up.

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 12:32pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Iceland is a free country, if people what to climb a volcano in a free land, then that is up to them. Not something I would do myself, but there you go.

And I still don't get the logic that rescuers having to rescue people (in which they seemingly didn't in this case) is a waste of their resources. It just doesn't add up.

there is no such thing as freedom on this planet, all humans must and do live within certain limits, as we do not have full control of these limits, people are not free to climb this volcano, again, it is patrolled to try prevent this from happening. no i would not advise this, but would recommend viewing such an event, its amazing.

i know people in rescue services, they do astonishing things, continually putting themselves in great danger to save others, theyre truly amazing people, but it is also up to us citizens to play our part, i.e. preventing their need as much as possible, even though i push those limits myself, regularly. theres very little logic in such situations, its just humans doing human things, driven by pure emotions

Oneiric 3 · 13-06-2021 12:39pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i know people in rescue services, they do astonishing things, continually putting themselves in great danger to save others, theyre truly amazing people

Yes, they are. Which is why you'll rarely hear them being as judgmental as non-rescuers.

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 12:46pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Yes, they are. Which is why you'll rarely hear them being as judgmental as non-rescuers.

they tend to be very modest, in my experiences, im lucky enough to regularly experience their company, including on volcanoes, incredible people, generally very knowledgeable, very compassionate and caring

Oneiric 3 · 13-06-2021 12:53pm

Anyway, this is amazing footage. Timelapse of from the near start of the eruption to May 28th. You can clearly see the main volcano growing in size during the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WQgwqvm9uE

Wanderer78 · 13-06-2021 1:01pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Anyway, this is amazing footage. Timelapse of from the near start of the eruption to May 28th. You can clearly see the main volcano growing in size during the video.

jesus, how much rock can this thing push out!

13-06-2021 5:02pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

jesus, how much rock can this thing push out!

About a planet load if it really wanted to.

Tenger · 13-06-2021 5:32pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

jesus, how much rock can this thing push out!

Estimates are 13 cubic metres a second

Oneiric 3 · 13-06-2021 8:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

About a planet load if it really wanted to.

Question that might seem a bit thick. What replaces the lava underneath the ground once it has spewed up over it? Surely a vacuum of sorts is created? and if so, how it addressed? Does the land sink?

cnocbui · 13-06-2021 11:02pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Question that might seem a bit thick. What replaces the lava underneath the ground once it has spewed up over it? Surely a vacuum of sorts is created? and if so, how it addressed? Does the land sink?

Plate subduction I would imagine - where one plate edge gets pushed down under the edge of another by lava pushing from the other side. I suppose the subducted plate edge gets melted to magma. I suspect the Earth's core is one very large blob of molten radiactive elements providing a lot of heat.

Tenger · 13-06-2021 11:19pm

If you have the book of faces then you can watch this moron who went up the cone
"oh my god its doing it again"
"it" being vomiting out a torrent of lava every couple of minutes

https://www.facebook.com/vincinity69

Tenger · 13-06-2021 11:29pm

Tenger wrote: »

Estimates are 13 cubic metres a second

Output seems to have doubled to 30 cubic meters a second.
When it was a geyser of lava it was every 7-10 minutes I think. The current lava vomit is happening every 3-4 minutes.

This youtube channel is pretty good. the guy is up there nearly every day.
His accent is quite strong (relative to other Icelandic channels I have watched) and his camera work is a bit jumpy. But he is a good source for updates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZYSeblYDbI

2 others I watch are:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9V_f0b4vgEOeuc6WYCz5nw
https://www.youtube.com/user/reykjavikgrapevine

TTTT · 13-06-2021 11:58pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Question that might seem a bit thick. What replaces the lava underneath the ground once it has spewed up over it? Surely a vacuum of sorts is created? and if so, how it addressed? Does the land sink?

Here is some information from a geologist that explains what it happening with the volcano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpgtA_tmek

14-06-2021 9:00am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Question that might seem a bit thick. What replaces the lava underneath the ground once it has spewed up over it? Surely a vacuum of sorts is created? and if so, how it addressed? Does the land sink?

Basically, the entire molten core is under pressure and gravity and the crust keep it in place. where the plates are thin or where they move against each other the mantle can leak out. In Iceland where there are spreading plates, the crust is so thin that very little pressure is needed to blow lava out.
Little pressure in global terms, huge pressure in human terms.
The volumes involved are often thousands of cubic metres, but in Earth terms an insignificant amount.

https://sciencing.com/what-volume-earth-4689019.html

volume of the Earth of 1.08 quadrillion cubic kilometers (259 trillion cubic miles).

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