The way forward for LC2021

Random sample · 15-05-2021 09:53PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

So, accredited grades have to be submitted by the teachers by 31st of May and then inputted into the system by June 3rd? Is that correct?

Does that mean we have to have the alignment meetings on the Monday?

I don’t understand why we have to rush all other marking and reports for the 28th if we have to have accredited grades done so early in the last week.

rainbowtrout · 15-05-2021 11:21PM

Random sample wrote: »

Does that mean we have to have the alignment meetings on the Monday?

I don’t understand why we have to rush all other marking and reports for the 28th if we have to have accredited grades done so early in the last week.

But yesterday was the last day assessments could be given to students to count for their accredited grade. You have two weeks to finalise the grades.

Leftwaffe · 15-05-2021 11:59PM

Random sample wrote: »

Does that mean we have to have the alignment meetings on the Monday?

I don’t understand why we have to rush all other marking and reports for the 28th if we have to have accredited grades done so early in the last week.

I take it as the subject alignment process will be all but done by the 28th. Perhaps a meeting early the following week for departments to tie up any loose ends/box ticking exercise and then away ya go for the summer. Aide submits them by Thursday the 3rd then.

Random sample · 16-05-2021 08:25AM

rainbowtrout wrote: »

But yesterday was the last day assessments could be given to students to count for their accredited grade. You have two weeks to finalise the grades.

But I have 6 other sets of tests, and 8 other sets of reports that have to be in by the 28th when my last exam is on the 26th.

rainbowtrout · 16-05-2021 09:46AM

Random sample wrote: »

But I have 6 other sets of tests, and 8 other sets of reports that have to be in by the 28th when my last exam is on the 26th.

Surely it’s up to the staff to say to the principal to push out the submission date for grades for house exams.

Random sample · 16-05-2021 10:02AM

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Surely it’s up to the staff to say to the principal to push out the submission date for grades for house exams.

It was in the accredited grades document that they all have to be done by the 28th so that we could focus on the accredited grades in the last week.

Leftwaffe · 16-05-2021 11:24PM

Random sample wrote: »

It was in the accredited grades document that they all have to be done by the 28th so that we could focus on the accredited grades in the last week.

The majority of teachers where I am are taking it that they won’t be in for the last week. The accredited grades process really shouldn’t take that long for teachers and the Subject alignment meeting could be held outside tuition time. They hardly expect people to come the first week of June?

rainbowtrout · 16-05-2021 11:51PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

The majority of teachers where I am are taking it that they won’t be in for the last week. The accredited grades process really shouldn’t take that long for teachers and the Subject alignment meeting could be held outside tuition time. They hardly expect people to come the first week of June?

Same as. The monthly assessments are done. It shouldn't take two weeks to decide on a grade for a student.

Bobtheman · 17-05-2021 12:09PM

Anybody heard back on their Lc supervision yet? I applied for the extra cohort.

rainbowtrout · 17-05-2021 03:49PM

Bobtheman wrote: »

Anybody heard back on their Lc supervision yet? I applied for the extra cohort.

Just that I got it, but no other detail.

Bobtheman · 17-05-2021 05:58PM

I was on late list.

rainbowtrout · 17-05-2021 08:28PM

Just had a look at the email I got last week and the cut off for acceptance was last Thursday so I'd imagine anyone who is on the late list would get an offer this week.

Alex86Eire · 17-05-2021 09:17PM

I was on the late list and got an appointment email last Wednesday.

Choochtown · 18-05-2021 11:16AM

Bobtheman wrote: »

If I give a student 80 and he gets 64 in the exam - will the department then drag my accredited grade down??
At what stage is the accredited grade finalised??

Of course not. The Department never ever go back on their word and when we were assured by them in an official statement last year that students will not get access to their class order of rankings they stuck firmly to their word. Also the grade process will be totally transparent (just like last year) as which result has been used (the exam grade or assessed grade) will be clearly indicated and ...

... er actually maybe they will

Leftwaffe · 18-05-2021 01:06PM

Anyone else struggling to find teacher to sit on the panel in order to judge the grades given by tutors for out of school subjects?

We cant find a registered Hungarian teacher to sit on the panel and verify the grades given by the students unregistered tutor. The SEC are telling me they must be registered.

rainbowtrout · 18-05-2021 01:43PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Anyone else struggling to find teacher to sit on the panel in order to judge the grades given by tutors for out of school subjects?

We cant find a registered Hungarian teacher to sit on the panel and verify the grades given by the students unregistered tutor. The SEC are telling me they must be registered.

Ah here. Given that Hungarian is a non curricular language, how likely is it that there are any Hungarian teachers registered with the teaching council.

I’d suggest ringing the Hungarian embassy in Dublin (assuming there is one) and seeing if they can put you in touch with someone

FileNotFound · 18-05-2021 01:45PM

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Ah here. Given that Hungarian is a non curricular language, how likely is it that there are any Hungarian teachers registered with the teaching council.

I’d suggest ringing the Hungarian embassy in Dublin (assuming there is one) and seeing if they can put you in touch with someone

Didn't know you can get graded on non cirricula subjects...

So you can just make up your own?

RealJohn · 18-05-2021 02:29PM

There was an assessment for non-curricular languages last Saturday for accredited grades. I know someone marking one of them (but not Hungarian).
My friend knows the person who’s marking the Hungarian though (as they know several of the people involved). There was only one of the non-curricular languages that had no applicants, apparently, and it wasn’t Hungarian.

Why those Hungarian students didn’t do that assessment, I don’t know, but it sounds like they should have.

FileNotFound · 18-05-2021 03:39PM

RealJohn wrote: »

There was an assessment for non-curricular languages last Saturday for accredited grades. I know someone marking one of them (but not Hungarian).
My friend knows the person who’s marking the Hungarian though (as they know several of the people involved). There was only one of the non-curricular languages that had no applicants, apparently, and it wasn’t Hungarian.

Why those Hungarian students didn’t do that assessment, I don’t know, but it sounds like they should have.

This sounds as dodge as can be. Easy A I suppose.

solerina · 18-05-2021 05:51PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Anyone else struggling to find teacher to sit on the panel in order to judge the grades given by tutors for out of school subjects?

We cant find a registered Hungarian teacher to sit on the panel and verify the grades given by the students unregistered tutor. The SEC are telling me they must be registered.

I would like to know how these external grades are being standardised. We have a student doing a subject outside school who struggles to get 50% in OL subjects in school yet has been awarded a H1 for a subject he studies outside school

Leftwaffe · 18-05-2021 06:54PM

I’ve also got an Arabic student and I’ve no chance of getting someone for the panel for that either. Curricular language but nobody registered as far as I can see. Nightmare.

gaiscioch · 18-05-2021 08:53PM

When will the scholars be told their calculated grade? Hopefully not before the exams.

Random sample · 18-05-2021 09:05PM

gaiscioch wrote: »

When will the scholars be told their calculated grade? Hopefully not before the exams.

It’s my understanding that all results will come out together.

Choochtown · 19-05-2021 01:28PM

Random sample wrote: »

It’s my understanding that all results will come out together.

Results come as one result. The student will not know if that is their exam grade or their calculated grade.

That's the "assurance" that unions were given by the Department.

Of course the student could always appeal their grade and find out that way!

Random sample · 19-05-2021 02:08PM

Choochtown wrote: »

Results come as one result. The student will not know if that is their exam grade or their calculated grade.

That's the "assurance" that unions were given by the Department.

Of course the student could always appeal their grade and find out that way!

They would just have to look at their scripts to find out, no appeal necessary.

gaiscioch · 20-05-2021 12:12AM

8.2 How is the school alignment process organised?
Prior to the alignment process, each subject teacher of a Leaving Certificate class group
drafts the initial estimated percentage marks for each of her/his students and class groups.
Teachers will need to demonstrate that no two students are placed on the same estimated percentage mark. Where there is more than one examination component in
the subject, teachers will have regard to the written element and the additional
assessment component(s). Percentage marks may include up to two decimal places, i.e.
83.22%, 83.33%, etc. Teachers will demonstrate that no two students, at each level
(Higher, Ordinary and Foundation) are placed on the same estimated percentage mark. (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7a163-a-guide-to-state-examinations-and-accredited-grades-for-leaving-certificate-2021/)

Quick one. If you've two distinct class groups in the same subject at the same level in the same year that means you hand in two discrete lists as happened last year?

If so, is it possible to put a student in Class A at 95% and a student in Class B at 95%? (I know it's not possible to do it if they're in the same class.)

Or do we just hand in a single list for all our students in the year this time? Grma.

Leftwaffe · 20-05-2021 06:32AM

gaiscioch wrote: »

Quick one. If you've two distinct class groups in the same subject at the same level in the same year that means you hand in two discrete lists as happened last year?

If so, is it possible to put a student in Class A at 95% and a student in Class B at 95%? (I know it's not possible to do it if they're in the same class.)

Or do we just hand in a single list for all our students in the year this time? Grma.

Two lists for two classes. You can have you’re 2 95’s then.

Alex86Eire · 20-05-2021 09:55PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Two lists for two classes. You can have you’re 2 95’s then.

Oh I thought you had to have different percentages for a particular subject. What would happen if a school had 3 6th years (in 3 different classes) getting 92% in HL maths for example? How would the SEC decide between them if one was being brought down to a H2?

km79 · 20-05-2021 09:58PM

gaiscioch wrote: »

Quick one. If you've two distinct class groups in the same subject at the same level in the same year that means you hand in two discrete lists as happened last year?

If so, is it possible to put a student in Class A at 95% and a student in Class B at 95%? (I know it's not possible to do it if they're in the same class.)

Or do we just hand in a single list for all our students in the year this time? Grma.

Two lists
Yes it’s possible

Random sample · 20-05-2021 11:01PM

Alex86Eire wrote: »

Oh I thought you had to have different percentages for a particular subject. What would happen if a school had 3 6th years (in 3 different classes) getting 92% in HL maths for example? How would the SEC decide between them if one was being brought down to a H2?

In larger schools you couldn’t have a different mark for every student without veering very far from the curve.

The way forward for LC2021

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