Cyclists, insurance and road tax

Sono Topolino · 30-04-2021 03:05PM

Effects wrote: »

I often get bothered by van drivers blocking cycle lanes. A lot of the time it's to save themselves 20 seconds at most, but they don't care about how much more it inconveniences someone else.

If they're making deliveries then they have to park near an entrance.

Same with taxis picking up people or droppimg them off.

Effects · 30-04-2021 03:05PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

I'm happy to pay more taxes for this as long as cyclists pay their fair share.

But cyclists already pay large amounts of tax?

Effects · 30-04-2021 03:07PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

If they're making deliveries then they have to park near an entrance.

Why do they need to park near an entrance, if they have to trolley their goods anyway? Most of them just don't bother to park properly as they are too lazy/don't care about other road users.

Fighting Tao · 30-04-2021 03:08PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

If they're making deliveries then they have to park near an entrance.

Same with taxis picking up people or droppimg them off.

Can't delivery drivers park responsibly and walk a few metres? Case in point is deliveries to Off Beat Donuts on Westland Row. Vans and trucks would block the cycle track rather than park 50m way on Pearse St in a loading bay that was empty 99% of the time.

Can't taxi drivers stop in safe places? I've had it abroad where I've been told, "I can't let you out at x, but I'll drop you off over there". What makes taxi drivers here so special that so many need to inconvenience and endanger others?

Sono Topolino · 30-04-2021 03:15PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Can't delivery drivers park responsibly and walk a few metres? Case in point is deliveries to Off Beat Donuts on Westland Row. Vans and trucks would block the cycle track rather than park 50m way on Pearse St in a loading bay that was empty 99% of the time.

Can't taxi drivers stop in safe places? I've had it abroad where I've been told, "I can't let you out at x, but I'll drop you off over there". What makes taxi drivers here so special that so many need to inconvenience and endanger others?

Making life difficult for businesses is never going to make you popular.

Fighting Tao · 30-04-2021 03:19PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Making life difficult for businesses is never going to make you popular.

What are you actually trying to say? That delivery and taxi drivers would be making life difficult for businesses by being responsible?

Eric Cartman · 30-04-2021 03:22PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm not wearing one because I don't want to and they're a hassle.
What's odd is the faux concern from motorists over helmets, you just want to make it more inconvenient for us and Ireland will never pass a helmet law so you're wasting your time.
And more cyclists = critical mass = more infrastructure, less cars, and more annoyance to motorists.

I know its tongue in cheek, but thats probably the most honest admission of cyclists begrudging aims in this thread.

Effects · 30-04-2021 03:23PM

Case in point. UPS driver wasn't bothered to drive into, and park in, the empty parking lot at the Skylon Hotel. So instead, he just parked up on the cycle path outside, forcing cyclists on to the road.

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 03:32PM

85603 wrote: »

There are more accident categories than just fatalities.

The cars are insured for the same reasons you list.

And yes cyclists will inevitably cause accidents, and do, if just through the laws of probability, and human negligence.

And yes, pedestrians inevitably do cause collisions, stepping out in front of cars and bikes without looking, against traffic lights, so do you reckon that they need insurance?

Some quantitative basis for your answer would be great.

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 03:36PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why are so many cyclists so against anything like helmets that they see as deterring people from cycling. Surely they should just be happy that they themselves cycle, or is there a reason that they want so many more cyclists that isnt being explained here ? Surely keeping it a niche benefits them with more bike rack spaces and free-er cycle paths

Why are you so against helmets for car occupants, given that far more head injuries happen in cars than on bikes?

What's this irresistible urge to "fix" cycling all about?

Fighting Tao · 30-04-2021 03:40PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why are you so against helmets for car occupants, given that far more head injuries happen in cars than on bikes?

What's this irresistible urge to "fix" cycling all about?

There is no urge from Eric. The last line gives his/her real intentions away. Make it niche!

Sono Topolino · 30-04-2021 03:56PM

Effects wrote: »

Case in point. UPS driver wasn't bothered to drive into, and park in, the empty parking lot at the Skylon Hotel. So instead, he just parked up on the cycle path outside, forcing cyclists on to the road.

The road is where cyclists belong according to some here.

The driver is doing an essential job - give him a break.

magicbastarder · 30-04-2021 03:58PM

what's the point of the cycling infrastructure so?

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:00PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

in short, if your answer to the question 'how can we make cycling safer?' is 'helmets', you don't understand the problem.

Or to put it visually

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:03PM

EddieN75 wrote: »

Oh I see. People who are actually working or delivery vehicles who are permitted to park briefly.

I have no issue then. No need to ring the Gardai. I thought you meant people just abandoning their vehicles for no real reason sort from rudeness and laziness.

No one is permitted to park, however briefly, on a clear way or a solid line cycle lane.

But they can stop in the main traffic lane and let the cars go around. It's just a few minutes, sure you know yourself.

Thelonious Monk · 30-04-2021 04:05PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I know its tongue in cheek, but thats probably the most honest admission of cyclists begrudging aims in this thread.

With all the flack cyclists get, I do actually enjoy how pissed off motorists get by new cycle lanes and car restrictions.

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:07PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

If they're making deliveries then they have to park near an entrance.

Same with taxis picking up people or droppimg them off.

Have you heard of trolleys?

Or of walking short distances?

They can stop on the main traffic lane.

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:12PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

I'm returning to Dublin after 10 May and I'm really not looking forward to the traffic.

Protected and segregated cycle lanes in cities are essential.

I'm happy to pay more taxes for this as long as cyclists pay their fair share.

Would you let us know when motorists are going to start paying their fair share please?

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:15PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Making life difficult for businesses is never going to make you popular.

Make life difficult for customers, the people who work and live in the community around those businesses, is never going to make businesses popular with customers.

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:17PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

The road is where cyclists belong according to some here.

The driver is doing an essential job - give him a break.

Cyclists are travelling to and from their essential jobs as doctors, nurses, teachers and indeed delivery drivers, give them a break. Just park on the road, it will only be a few minutes.

Sono Topolino · 30-04-2021 04:19PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

what's the point of the cycling infrastructure so?

I support segregated cycling lanes with barriers.

That UPS van is parked on what used to be a parking bay - an example of how not to do cycling infrastructure.

EddieN75 · 30-04-2021 04:27PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

I support segregated cycling lanes with barriers.

That UPS van is parked on what used to be a parking bay - an example of how not to do cycling infrastructure.

That Ups van is delivering goods essential to business.

Cycling around the van isn't a big deal.

Fighting Tao · 30-04-2021 04:36PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

The road is where cyclists belong according to some here.

The driver is doing an essential job - give him a break.

For all you know the driver could be delivering someones new mobile phone that they bought just because their old one was a year old and they fancied a change. Is that essential?

Effects · 30-04-2021 04:44PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

That UPS van is parked on what used to be a parking bay - an example of how not to do cycling infrastructure.

So you'd rather remove a traffic lane, just so there would still be parking available?

Effects · 30-04-2021 04:45PM

EddieN75 wrote: »

That Ups van is delivering goods essential to business.

So why didn't he just park up on the street instead?

Or maybe just pull into the empty parking lot of the business he was delivering to, and everyone is happy.

AndrewJRenko · 30-04-2021 04:47PM

EddieN75 wrote: »

That Ups van is delivering goods essential to business.

Cycling around the van isn't a big deal.

Cyclists cycling to work in essential businesses are essential to business. Parking on the main traffic lane isn't a big deal.

You don't get to play the "essential business" card as an excuse for breaking the law.

EddieN75 · 30-04-2021 04:47PM

Effects wrote: »

So why didn't he just park up on the street instead?

Or maybe just pull into the empty parking lot of the business he was delivering to, and everyone is happy.

Van too big. Not an ideal sized vehicle to be trying to turn or reverse in a city.

A bit of common sense please. People need come into the real world every now and then. The same individuals are over defending the work ethos of the public sector too.
Like a parallel universe at times around here.

Some people dont give a toss about anyone but themselves. If the delivery driver was dropping off their new blow up doll they wouldn't mind but if it's for someone else it's an issue

Fighting Tao · 30-04-2021 04:51PM

EddieN75 wrote: »

Van too big. Not an ideal sized vehicle to be trying to turn or reverse in a city.

A bit of common sense please. People need come into the real world every now and then. The same individuals are over defending the work ethos of the public sector too.
Like a parallel universe at times around here.

Some people dont give a toss about anyone but themselves.

I’m categorised as an essential worker. Is he more essential than me?

EddieN75 · 30-04-2021 04:52PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I’m categorised as an essential worker. Is he more essential than me?

Cycle around the van.

Fighting Tao · 30-04-2021 04:54PM

EddieN75 wrote: »

Cycle around the van.

That wasn’t the question.

Is there a scale of essentialness for using infrastructure. Like someone who is an essential worker driving is more important than one who is cycling?

What is the road is chockablock with motorised vehicles? Is he still higher up the chain of essentialness?

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