Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

KrustyUCC · 25-04-2021 09:14AM

Love how they're now trying to bring this in by linking 'cheap alcohol' to the spread of Covid

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25-04-2021 09:21AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Brilliant plan from the government

Introduce MUP when the North is practically fully open

That's bound to make trips over the border even more of a draw

Just as a curiosity what locations in the republic are the tipping points for when going over the border for cheap booze is no longer economical.

People often throw out the idea that people will just head north after MUP, but for how many people is that really an option ?

I live so far south that it will never be economical, but I'm just wondering what locations would be where the cost of fuel and the time required no longer make any sense to travel north.

Economics101 · 25-04-2021 09:25AM

As I understand it MUP will be specified as so much € per gram of pure alcohol. Pubs almost certainly charge more than this anyhow, so won't be affected. This will mean that the competition (off-licences) will lose out to pubs.

No wonder the licenced vintners' lobby favours MUP, continuing a good old tradition of the political power of the publican in Irish politics.

KrustyUCC · 25-04-2021 09:39AM

Economics101 wrote: »

As I understand it MUP will be specified as so much € per gram of pure alcohol. Pubs almost certainly charge more than this anyhow, so won't be affected. This will mean that the competition (off-licences) will lose out to pubs.

No wonder the licenced vintners' lobby favours MUP, continuing a good old tradition of the political power of the publican in Irish politics.

Yup this measure is all about the pubs

Always has been since its been in the 2011 FG manifesto

I don't think this will have as big an effect for the pubs as its made out to be

Pubs will still be dearer than off licences

Just mean average person who already pays amongst the dearest for alcohol in Europe will need to be ripped off even more

Ger Roe · 25-04-2021 09:45AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yup this measure is all about the pubs

Always has been since its been in the 2011 FG manifesto

I don't think this will have as big an effect for the pubs as its made out to be

Pubs will still be dearer than off licences

Just mean average person who already pays amongst the dearest for alcohol in Europe will need to be ripped off even more

.... with the Government now gifting the imposed additional rip off margin to the retailer. Imaging any other commercial sector being ordered to increase their prices and make more of a profit.

KrustyUCC · 25-04-2021 09:48AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Just as a curiosity what locations in the republic are the tipping points for when going over the border for cheap booze is no longer economical.

People often throw out the idea that people will just head north after MUP, but for how many people is that really an option ?

I live so far south that it will never be economical, but I'm just wondering what locations would be where the cost of fuel and the time required no longer make any sense to travel north.

Cork to Belfast is €70 fuel return

The same bottle of whiskey that's €12 .37 in the North will be €22.09 here after MUP

You can get a case of the same whisky for €74 which would be €132.54 here

There little less €50 in savings straight away on the exact same product

People won't believe how much MUP is going to gouge the Irish consumer

KrustyUCC · 25-04-2021 09:51AM

I wouldn't make a trip just for alcohol BTW

But if if I was taking a holiday up North and I'm seriously looking into that anyway it would make sense to do some shopping on the way home

Lot more economical from Dublin, border counties, midlands

Tiger Roll · 25-04-2021 09:56AM

Not related to MUP as such but Tesco are starting a clubcard rewards thing next weekend where you get an item at a certain price if you use a clubcard . Bottle of Bailey's 21euro ,with clubcard it's 9 euro. Carlsberg 12 pack cans 17 euro,with clubcard it's 12 euro . I thought loyalty cards can't be used as a promotion under new legislation. Be interesting to see how it pans out

ShamNNspace · 25-04-2021 10:00AM

Might be a business there for someone buying up north and delivering south nice and quiet... minimum order €50 maybe or something like that

the beer revolu · 25-04-2021 10:17AM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Might be a business there for someone buying up north and delivering south nice and quiet... minimum order €50 maybe or something like that

Smuggling of alcohol is hardly a new idea.

odyssey06 · 25-04-2021 10:31AM

Tiger Roll wrote: »

Not related to MUP as such but Tesco are starting a clubcard rewards thing next weekend where you get an item at a certain price if you use a clubcard . Bottle of Bailey's 21euro ,with clubcard it's 9 euro. Carlsberg 12 pack cans 17 euro,with clubcard it's 12 euro . I thought loyalty cards can't be used as a promotion under new legislation. Be interesting to see how it pans out

Obriens and lidl do similar.
As long as the discount is available to anyone with the card ie not tied to spending it seems to be ok.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 25-04-2021 11:02AM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Brilliant plan from the government

Introduce MUP when the North is practically fully open

That's bound to make trips over the border even more of a draw

Inter-county travel is illegal so I don't know how you think this is going to happen any time soon.

Most people will not bother their arse driving to the north to pick up a slab of their favourite cheap grog. There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-04-2021 11:11AM

jester77 wrote: »

Hard to tell if you are being sarcastic, but as someone who hasn't lived in Ireland for over 20 years, that sounds very expensive for a locally mass produced beer. Here in Germany I can get locally produced beer at a fraction of that, and people are not out of control :eek:

machiavellianme wrote: »

Yeah because charging 7 euro a pint will stop people from doing the same thing :rolleyes:

listermint wrote: »

Oh the naivety is strong in this one.

If only there wasn't so many varied of examples of how prohibition works so well..

Wanderer78 wrote: »

pricing wont prevent or alter complex social issues

I thnk we should have MUP for trollfood - it appears to be way too cheap.

withnail_is_i · 25-04-2021 11:35AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Inter-county travel is illegal so I don't know how you think this is going to happen any time soon.

Most people will not bother their arse driving to the north to pick up a slab of their favourite cheap grog. There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.

Too many posts to be a fully fledged troll, so somebody would have to assume it's a government lacky account.
People have been known to venture as far as France via ferry to purchase discount booze, so there is zero data alleging nobody would drive across the border.

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.

Again, that is incorrect. You really haven't looked into this at all, have you?
Bottleneck pricing is created immediately in the lower tier sales, pushing the prices up right across the board. The breweries also get an eyeful of the profits that the retailers are receiving and of course will want their cut.
There are so many other factors to consider, you might want to read up a little on the subject before your next post. Just a suggestion.

Roger_007 · 25-04-2021 11:36AM

If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
Or maybe they will just split the difference?

Ger Roe · 25-04-2021 11:41AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
Or maybe they will just split the difference?

Probably split the difference. We live in a very strange economy in this country - very little price competition in anything and lots of cozy arrangements, no matter how many various sector 'regulators' we invent.

Whatever way the new government imposed dividend is carved up the consumer will end up paying for it, as usual..... except in this case it is blatantly planned to be that way.

the beer revolu · 25-04-2021 11:42AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
Or maybe they will just split the difference?

Anyone who claims to know what is going to happen is misguided.
It's a very competitive market and it will adapt if mup comes in.
It won't be as simple as the price of everything going up across the board but what it will look like, no one really knows.

KrustyUCC · 25-04-2021 11:58AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Inter-county travel is illegal so I don't know how you think this is going to happen any time soon.

Most people will not bother their arse driving to the north to pick up a slab of their favourite cheap grog. There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.

Thousands cross the border every day

Intercounty might be illegal but it's happening wholesale as it is

Latest plan is for intercounty travel in June anyway which would just be at the point MUP comes in according to the Indo

If you don't think the premium drinks will up their prices by the same amount as the 'cheap grog' you'll be mistaken

withnail_is_i · 25-04-2021 12:03PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

Anyone who claims to know what is going to happen is misguided.
It's a very competitive market and it will adapt if mup comes in.
It won't be as simple as the price of everything going up across the board but what it will look like, no one really knows.

The data from Scotland begs to differ.
The price rise across the board refers to the range of products affected, not every single product increasing in price which I suspect you understood it to mean, there are many products already priced higher that may not increase any further, while other products will, to relieve the problems caused by the bottleneck.

Housefree · 25-04-2021 12:11PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Cork to Belfast is €70 fuel return

The same bottle of whiskey that's €12 .37 in the North will be €22.09 here after MUP

You can get a case of the same whisky for €74 which would be €132.54 here

There little less €50 in savings straight away on the exact same product

People won't believe how much MUP is going to gouge the Irish consumer

You will only have to go a few feet over the border, somewhere like Jonesbourgh will set up for wholesale drink supplies, same way it has done for fireworks

the beer revolu · 25-04-2021 12:13PM

withnail_is_i wrote: »

The data from Scotland begs to differ.
The price rise across the board refers to the range of products affected, not every single product increasing in price which I suspect you understood it to mean.
There are many products already priced higher that may not increase any further, whole others will to relieve the problems caused by the bottleneck.

But people are claiming that the price of all drinks will increase, across the board.
I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what exactly is going to happen. It's a complex market.

Roger_007 · 25-04-2021 03:13PM

withnail_is_i wrote: »

The data from Scotland begs to differ.
The price rise across the board refers to the range of products affected, not every single product increasing in price which I suspect you understood it to mean, there are many products already priced higher that may not increase any further, while other products will, to relieve the problems caused by the bottleneck.

In other words the price of drink that the affluent in society tend to buy will be unaffected while the ‘peasants’ will have to pay more for their favourite tipple?

kerryjack · 25-04-2021 04:31PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

In other words the price of drink that the affluent in society tend to buy will be unaffected while the ‘peasants’ will have to pay more for their favourite tipple?

Will I still get 8 cans of Heineken for 14 euro

Capt'n Midnight · 25-04-2021 05:12PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
Or maybe they will just split the difference?

The large distributors and wholesalers will take as much as they can get away with.

The supermarket own brands won't have to share with anyone.

Excise duty will drop if alcohol consumption drops.

VAT revenue won't increase unless people start buying cheaper food or less clothes which might lead to increased health spending later on.

Mr. teddywinkles · 25-04-2021 05:25PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The large distributors and wholesalers will take as much as they can get away with.

The supermarket own brands won't have to share with anyone.

Excise duty will drop if alcohol consumption drops.

VAT revenue won't increase unless people start buying cheaper food or less clothes which might lead to increased health spending later on.

Don't forget the use of drugs increasing

elperello · 25-04-2021 05:51PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

But people are claiming that the price of all drinks will increase, across the board.
I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what exactly is going to happen. It's a complex market.

You are correct that we don't have a crystal ball to foretell the future.

However we can with confidence predict that this will be an intervention in the market to artificially increase prices to the consumer.

That is never good news for your pocket.

VinLieger · 25-04-2021 09:24PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Excise duty will drop if alcohol consumption drops.

Who are you kidding they will never lower excise duty.

ohnonotgmail · 25-04-2021 09:36PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

But people are claiming that the price of all drinks will increase, across the board.
I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what exactly is going to happen. It's a complex market.

manufacturers will want to maintain a price differential between their premium products and the lower end of the market.

Geuze · 25-04-2021 09:37PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

It's about time. The fact that people can stock up on crates of cheap beer needs to stop. Supermarkets selling 24 cans of Guinness for less than a euro a can.

Where is this cheap beer?

Cans of beer (50cl) start at 29 cent in Germany, that is cheap.

A price of 1.00 euro is good for Ireland, yes, but still high compared to macro, mass-produced beer in other countries.

rob316 · 25-04-2021 10:04PM

Meh just as well I started home brewing last year.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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