Cyclists, insurance and road tax

Fighting Tao · 22-04-2021 01:01PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Thank you for making my point for me, the problem as i see it is the amount of bicycles on mass are obstructing vehicle traffic which you just confirmed as being ok.
You seem to think these groups of bicycle have no responsibility toward other road users which i am get the feeling is general opinion here...

They are traffic too

statto25 · 22-04-2021 01:02PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Another gripe of mine - little or no bikes have air horns.

How the heck are you supposed to warn people, let alone cars, that you're approaching?

I was thinking of putting a Bluetooth speaker and mic on my bike. I reckon a loud roar of "come out ta fcuk" would get a padestrians attention better when they walk out in front of me. Likewise for the idiots who cut me up when overtaking.

Pinch Flat · 22-04-2021 01:03PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

This thread is quickly approaching the point where it might be easier for all
Concerned to tax cyclists. Or ban cycling altogether.

Maybe a tax on people who start these threads?

MangleBadger · 22-04-2021 01:05PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Thank you for making my point for me, the problem as i see it is the amount of bicycles on mass are obstructing vehicle traffic which you just confirmed as being ok.
You seem to think these groups of bicycle have no responsibility toward other road users which i am get the feeling is general opinion here...

They are not obstructing traffic. They are traffic. They have just as much right to use the road as cars.

MojoMaker · 22-04-2021 01:06PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i drive around north county dublin quite a lot, and NCD is popular with cyclists. i don't ever recall having a problem with cyclists.

You'll find rational people generally don't. They have learned how to curb their own irritations for the good of all and pay more attention to the big picture around us - including long term health benefits, less congestion, and less emissions.

NCD is a lovely part of the county to cycle around you're right.

148 people killed on Irish roads last year according to the RSA. The majority killed by a car, with a declining percentage by truck, bus, or farm vehicle.

https://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/RSA-Statistics/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/#:~:text=Of%20the%20148%20fatalities%2C%20there,(18)%20were%20particularly%20dangerous.

None were killed by a bicycle. However 10 cyclists were killed by vehicular traffic.

149 is almost 3 people killed by vehicles each week. The danger to cyclists on Irish roads is the motoring population, and specifically the private car driving population.

oisinog · 22-04-2021 01:13PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Thank you for making my point for me, the problem as i see it is the amount of bicycles on mass are obstructing vehicle traffic which you just confirmed as being ok.
You seem to think these groups of bicycle have no responsibility toward other road users which i am get the feeling is general opinion here...

If that was a Tractor would you have overtaken it. At the end of the day you overtook traffic, you performed the illegal and possibly dangerours overtake not the cyclists.

maestroamado · 22-04-2021 01:21PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

They are traffic too

Yes i know they are traffic which i have no problem with.
12 bikes take up at least as much road space as an Artic-truck, say travelling at about 25kmh, they take a bit of passing on a minor road.
Thanks for your help as i think you may now get what i am talking of...

sprite0 · 22-04-2021 01:23PM

Im surprised that motorists in general and in particular those who have not choice but to drive don't actively encourage more people to take up cycling or at least give those who do cycle a bit of space/respect on the road. Approx 95000 daily cycle commuters in Dublin alone (2018 figures). Can you imagine the mayhem if every single one of these decided to switch to a car instead.

Seth Brundle · 22-04-2021 01:23PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Yes i know they are traffic which i have no problem with.
12 bikes take up at least as much road space as an Artic-truck, say travelling at about 25kmh, they take a bit of passing on a minor road.
Thanks for your help as i think you may now get what i am talking of...

You are impatient. That is your problem, not theirs!

Necro · 22-04-2021 01:26PM

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maestroamado · 22-04-2021 01:27PM

oisinog wrote: »

If that was a Tractor would you have overtaken it. At the end of the day you overtook traffic, you performed the illegal and possibly dangerours overtake not the cyclists.

That's a very bad example as the bikes deliberately take up the space instead of going to smaller groups when it is necessary.
I would overtake the tractor if the situation was the same, i have no problem with people breaking the law, i do have a problem with people being dis-courteous towards other users...

Fighting Tao · 22-04-2021 01:27PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Yes i know they are traffic which i have no problem with.
12 bikes take up at least as much road space as an Artic-truck, say travelling at about 25kmh, they take a bit of passing on a minor road.
Thanks for your help as i think you may now get what i am talking of...

How do you manage when you come across other slow drivers? You you come into boards and whinge about being held up and that their mode of transport should be taxed more/banned or whatever your participation in this thread is demanding of cyclists?

maestroamado · 22-04-2021 01:28PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You are impatient. That is your problem, not theirs!

Their problem is they have no manners...

Seth Brundle · 22-04-2021 01:30PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Their problem is they have no manners...

So by following the law and riding in a manner that is safer for them and gives you as a driver more opportunity to overtake, you think they have no manners?
Maybe you're one of those drivers that tries to put manners on them?
As I previously said: you are the one with the problem.

Fighting Tao · 22-04-2021 01:33PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Their problem is they have no manners...

Seriously? Are you on a wind up? You say you met 12+ cyclists once and they weren’t going fast enough for you so you had to endanger all 12+ of them and anyone coming from the other direction. Surely you must see that the lowest common denominator is you, your lack of manners, sense of entitlement and dangerous driving?

maestroamado · 22-04-2021 01:33PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

How do you manage when you come across other slow drivers? You you come into boards and whinge about being held up and that their mode of transport should be taxed more/banned or whatever your participation in this thread is demanding of cyclists?

I said none of what you say, i actually said i do not agree with tax on bicycles.
I do think insurance for large groups be a good idea but that may aiready be the case i have learned from this thread.
I am a cyclist and i have my opinion, because your losing the game you call me a "whinge"
I actually going on my bike this afternoon so i might crash into you...

Fighting Tao · 22-04-2021 01:35PM

maestroamado wrote: »

I said none of what you say, i actually said i do not agree with tax on bicycles.
I do think insurance for large groups be a good idea but that may aiready be the case i have learned from this thread.
I am a cyclist and i have my opinion, because your losing the game you call me a "whinge"
I actually going on my bike this afternoon so i might crash into you...

You are the only one that thinks you are in the middle of a game of Grand Theft Auto. It’s a high stake “game” you are playing with other peoples lives.

Btw, I don’t believe you are a cyclist either. That is often rolled out when a motorist is being a tool on the roads. It doesn’t wash.

maestroamado · 22-04-2021 01:46PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

You are the only one that thinks you are in the middle of a game of Grand Theft Auto. It’s a high stake “game” you are playing with other peoples lives.

Btw, I don’t believe you are a cyclist either. That is often rolled out when a motorist is being a tool on the roads. It doesn’t wash.

Your seriously losing the plot when you call someone a "liar"
The mods must be asleep...

Fighting Tao · 22-04-2021 01:52PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Your seriously losing the plot when you call someone a "liar"
The mods must be asleep...

Losing the plot, losing the game....can’t you counter points made rather than trying to keep score? What does you allegedly being held up for a few minutes by a gazillion cyclists have to do with the OP’s proposal of tax and insurance when it is you that is the danger on the road?

maestroamado · 22-04-2021 01:54PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Losing the plot, losing the game....can’t you counter points made rather than trying to keep score? What does you allegedly being held up for a few minutes by a gazillion cyclists have to do with the OP’s proposal of tax and insurance when it is you that is the danger on the road?

Go on have another swig of whatever your onnn...

Pawwed Rig · 22-04-2021 01:56PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i drive around north county dublin quite a lot, and NCD is popular with cyclists. i don't ever recall having a problem with cyclists.

The problem arises when every time you see one your blood pressure spikes and you start raving incoherantly about bloody cyclists. You then meet another lunatic who has the same affliction and after comparing your anecdotes of the time you were held up for 90 seconds and he was passed by a cyclist while at traffic lights you accept as fact that all cyclists are evil. One day you see a group of lads out for some exercise TOGETHER and your head explodes so you open a thread on boards and the rest is history.

km991148 · 22-04-2021 01:56PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Maybe we've got wires crossed here. I thought you were arguing for higher taxes on motorists. I'm not. We're already ripped off enough just for the privilege of getting to work etc.

I'm not actively pushing for a hike on motortax, not really.

But the thread is about taxing cyclists to somehow make things 'fair'.

When you look at the numbers, and considering most cyclist also own cars, it's actually already unfair on the cyclist that chooses to do more by bike.

Per km traveled the motorists without a bike is likely (some exceptions) paying less.

Motoring is bloody expensive. True. But also the infrastructure costs alone are far more than motortax receipts generate (from what I understand from this thread) - which is often the first red alert for 'fairness'.

But claiming cyclists are somehow taking something from motorists is ridiculous. Dublin, for example, would be even more screwed with heavy vehicular traffic if cyclists weren't around.

There should be more threads showing appreciation for taking up the slack instead of nonsense about being held up on a Sunday morning and wanting to make cyclists pay even more.

oisinog · 22-04-2021 01:57PM

maestroamado wrote: »

That's a very bad example as the bikes deliberately take up the space instead of going to smaller groups when it is necessary.
I would overtake the tractor if the situation was the same, i have no problem with people breaking the law, i do have a problem with people being dis-courteous towards other users...

You do realise that if the cyclists went single file that doubles the lenght of the group and makes it much more difficult to overtake, you have gone from the lenght of one lorry to probably almost 3 when you leave the 1m distance to the person in front of you.

namloc1980 · 22-04-2021 01:57PM

Why do motorists have a problem with some cyclists wearing cycling gear made of lycra? What's the actual issue with that?

km991148 · 22-04-2021 01:58PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why do motorists have a problem with some cyclists wearing cycling gear made of lycra? What's the actual issue with that?

Must be tan lines not aligned or hairy legs.

Fighting Tao · 22-04-2021 01:58PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why do motorists have a problem with some cyclists wearing cycling gear made of lycra? What's the actual issue with that?

There was one poster in another thread that was offended that his eyes were constantly drawn to cyclists packages. I think he left the thread querying himself

. That was a funny thread.

oisinog · 22-04-2021 01:59PM

maestroamado wrote: »

I said none of what you say, i actually said i do not agree with tax on bicycles.
I do think insurance for large groups be a good idea but that may aiready be the case i have learned from this thread.
I am a cyclist and i have my opinion, because your losing the game you call me a "whinge"
I actually going on my bike this afternoon so i might crash into you...

If its not on Strava it never happened

Seth Brundle · 22-04-2021 02:09PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why do motorists have a problem with some cyclists wearing cycling gear made of lycra? What's the actual issue with that?

I'm convinced that it is a form of penis envy.
Cyclists apparently make for better lovers, presumably because they're fitter.
There is no other logical reason why some people are obsessed with what others wear whilst exercising.

doughef · 22-04-2021 02:23PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I'm convinced that it is a form of penis envy.
Cyclists apparently make for better lovers, presumably because they're fitter.
There is no other logical reason why some people are obsessed with what others wear whilst exercising.

Cyclists make for much better lovers ....

Self love .......

AndrewJRenko · 22-04-2021 02:24PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Their problem is they have no manners...

Why would you think that your journey is more important than anyone else's journey?

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