Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

DrPhilG · 10-04-2021 08:11PM

slave1 wrote: »

Is that €7.9k before grant which means €4.9k after grant, but surely not that they keep the €3k grant.
In any case the €7.9k can be bettered

I believe it means that the price is €7.9k, so €4.9k after the grant.

So Lush would only pay €4.9k and the company would get the other €3k from the grant payment.

Perfectly sensible if you ask me. Rather than Lush pay €7.9k and then possibly end up with issues down the line if the SEAI find a problem and won't pay out.

If the grant is going to the company directly then the onus is on them to ensure that (a)everything is done to spec and (b)the paperwork is processed in a timely manner.

When I was pricing a year ago people here told me that I should push for the payment to be done that way.

Lush · 10-04-2021 09:56PM

slave1 wrote: »

What do you mean by "take the grant directly" e.g.
10 PANELS 340 WATT JA SOLAR 25 YEARS GUARANTEE.

2.4 PYLON TEC BATTERY
3.6 SOLIS INVERTER.
EDDIE WATER DIVERTER
WIFI DONGLE.
PRICE 7900 EUROS INC.VAT.

Is that €7.9k before grant which means €4.9k after grant, but surely not that they keep the €3k grant.
In any case the €7.9k can be bettered

The price is before the grant, which at the 3.4kW & a battery would be €2700 max.

They would have the grant paid directly to them, so I would only pay for the amount less the grant, €5200. They have to ensure that the installation meets the requirements so it's in their interests to do it right otherwise they don't get the grant. Plenty of others follow the same process.

10-04-2021 10:00PM

MAULBROOK wrote: »

Get the bigger inverter 5kw.

Am I right in leaving out a battery?

Been the best quote I've gotten so far, some have been outrageous, and just want to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious. Was thinking the same on the inverter

declanobrennan · 10-04-2021 10:27PM

South to SE facing pitched roof

€7,220 for 3.1kW , 9 x Qcells 335w split-cell all blk mono PERC
With Solis Hybrid Inverter x1
And PureDrive II - 5kW Battery

Cost inc VAT €9,950
grant - €2,730
(€3000 PV & Battery, €600 EV charger)

gomamochi1 · 11-04-2021 12:02AM

slave1 wrote: »

What do you mean by "take the grant directly" e.g.
10 PANELS 340 WATT JA SOLAR 25 YEARS GUARANTEE.

2.4 PYLON TEC BATTERY
3.6 SOLIS INVERTER.
EDDIE WATER DIVERTER
WIFI DONGLE.
PRICE 7900 EUROS INC.VAT.

Is that €7.9k before grant which means €4.9k after grant, but surely not that they keep the €3k grant.
In any case the €7.9k can be bettered

Bigger inverter and more panels for cheaper price. PM me if you want the company i went with.

MAULBROOK · 11-04-2021 09:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I right in leaving out a battery?

Been the best quote I've gotten so far, some have been outrageous, and just want to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious. Was thinking the same on the inverter

Personally i would go for a battery, some on here say no but i have found it works out very well.

MAULBROOK · 11-04-2021 09:21AM

declanobrennan wrote: »

South to SE facing pitched roof

€7,220 for 3.1kW , 9 x Qcells 335w split-cell all blk mono PERC
With Solis Hybrid Inverter x1
And PureDrive II - 5kW Battery

Cost inc VAT €9,950
grant - €2,730
(€3000 PV & Battery, €600 EV charger)

PM sent

tails_naf · 11-04-2021 10:36AM

MAULBROOK wrote: »

Personally i would go for a battery, some on here say no but i have found it works out very well.

Me too, if it was not for the battery there would be some waste of generation, unless you have an elector car that can take the excess. The reason is generation and demand don't line up. You'll generate most during mid day, but use most in the evening. The only way no battery works (IMHO) is if Fit comes into play and as fair for use and generation, though I doubt it will be.

championc · 11-04-2021 10:45AM

It's all about being able to get the batteries at the right money. So if they are grant aided, it makes sense to get the likes of a single Pylontech. But a second would then be proportionally way more expensive.

Going a DIY battery route can be very cost effective (about €1300 for 10kW), but that about the only circumstance that I can see that makes the numbers stack up

KCross · 11-04-2021 11:00AM

tails_naf wrote: »

The only way no battery works (IMHO) is if Fit comes into play...

Which is almost a certainty now.... Jul 2021 and onwards. Fine detail to be published, but the consultation docs looked somewhat promising.

tails_naf wrote: »

The only way no battery works (IMHO) is if Fit comes into play and as fair for use and generation, though I doubt it will be.

What does that mean?

drdidlittle · 11-04-2021 12:44PM

KCross wrote: »

Which is almost a certainty now.... Jul 2021 and onwards. Fine detail to be published, but the consultation docs looked somewhat promising.

What does that mean?

Unit in unit out. Not going to happen more like 5 cent per unit or there about

11-04-2021 12:59PM

Same price with the 5kw inverter.

slave1 · 11-04-2021 02:08PM

championc wrote: »

It's all about being able to get the batteries at the right money. So if they are grant aided, it makes sense to get the likes of a single Pylontech. But a second would then be proportionally way more expensive.

Going a DIY battery route can be very cost effective (about €1300 for 10kW), but that about the only circumstance that I can see that makes the numbers stack up

I agree to a certain degree but folk need to do the maths e.g. at this time of the year there's only a few hours of darkness ( i.e. no generation ) to cover and night rate electricity is cheap as chips.
Yes, Oct to Feb totally different but folk can just push machines etc to night rate.

Personally what puts me off is the losses, losses from going in and back out again.

Then there's FIT where the grid will be your battery.

Also, a 6kW Hybrid Inverter is €1.3k ex VAT versus a normal Inverter at €648 ex VAT so replacement cost differential significant.

Can a battery setup financially work at those maths???
All depends on cost I suppose, DIY the only route

Patmwgs · 11-04-2021 02:44PM

The other thing ro remember is the battery will be sitting most of the winter doing very little if any. I would use the fit payment, cheaper electronics and shorter payback.

11-04-2021 02:57PM

With all this in mind, regarding battery, and putting a 5kW inverter in at the same price.
How am I looking here? Been the cheapest I've gotten so far, with as many panels

Deleted User wrote: »

Can someone cast an eye over this for me, as I'm honestly going quote blind
Before grant but would be at a lower rate, yeah?

championc · 11-04-2021 03:36PM

slave1 wrote: »

I agree to a certain degree but folk need to do the maths e.g. at this time of the year there's only a few hours of darkness ( i.e. no generation ) to cover and night rate electricity is cheap as chips.
Yes, Oct to Feb totally different but folk can just push machines etc to night rate.

Personally what puts me off is the losses, losses from going in and back out again.

Then there's FIT where the grid will be your battery.

Also, a 6kW Hybrid Inverter is €1.3k ex VAT versus a normal Inverter at €648 ex VAT so replacement cost differential significant.

Can a battery setup financially work at those maths???
All depends on cost I suppose, DIY the only route

A number of us here have a separate AC connected Storage Inverter (Sofar ME3000), with a Normal PV Inverter. So it's the best of both worlds

Deagol · 11-04-2021 04:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

With all this in mind, regarding battery, and putting a 5kW inverter in at the same price.
How am I looking here? Been the cheapest I've gotten so far, with as many panels

5.35kw panels with 4kw inverter - why? Inverter should be 5kw, very little price difference.

Does that include the grant or not? I suspect they are going to apply and keep the grant so that price is net?

Deagol · 11-04-2021 04:26PM

slave1 wrote: »

I agree to a certain degree but folk need to do the maths e.g. at this time of the year there's only a few hours of darkness ( i.e. no generation ) to cover and night rate electricity is cheap as chips.
Yes, Oct to Feb totally different but folk can just push machines etc to night rate.

Personally what puts me off is the losses, losses from going in and back out again.

Then there's FIT where the grid will be your battery.

Also, a 6kW Hybrid Inverter is €1.3k ex VAT versus a normal Inverter at €648 ex VAT so replacement cost differential significant.

Can a battery setup financially work at those maths???
All depends on cost I suppose, DIY the only route

You keep talking about night rate but forgetting that not everyone - I'm not sure but I don't think many people(?), have dual meter/ night rate. Plus from looking at it myself, night rate means higher standing charges and higher day rate. Unless you have use for the night rate (and I don't) then it doesn't stack up to have it I think?

The losses are very small - order of <5%. If you take difference between paying ~19c kwh day rate and the FIT of perhaps 5-6c does the battery still not make sense? And let's take it that electricity will not be 19c kwh this time 2 years+ with carbon taxes steadily rising?

slave1 · 11-04-2021 05:34PM

Movement to night rate is very easy, just a phone call if you do not have the correct meter and there is no cost involved.

Yes, the standing charges and day rate are (slightly) higher but move likes of dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, immersion to night rate and its well worthwhile for average 2.4kid family, throw in an EV and then it's a no brainer.
Cheapest Energia night rate it currently 5.23c/kWh.
Prior to getting an EV our night rate usage was 65%, after EV it went to 80%.

But it depends in the household for sure, if just a couple without an EV then night rate much less an incentive, totally get that.

Right now at this time of the year I'm moving towards very little day usage with PV generation so the slightly higher day rates have no impact and I still enjoy the cheap night rates if we need to catch up on charging the car, water heating/dishwasher/dryer/w machine etc.

As a quick calc, just look at your usage from your last bill and throw in the night rate rates and see is it cheaper, easy as that.

11-04-2021 05:50PM

Deagol wrote: »

5.35kw panels with 4kw inverter - why? Inverter should be 5kw, very little price difference.

Does that include the grant or not? I suspect they are going to apply and keep the grant so that price is net?

No, he's upped it to 5kW at same price.

That is before the grant

Deagol · 11-04-2021 06:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No, he's upped it to 5kW at same price.

That is before the grant

So 5k net. I like that he's broken out the labour price and honestly, looks like a fair price by the time he's paid a sparks and roofer and done all the paperwork etc.

Is the BER price included or do you have to organize that? Bear in mind unless you have a recent one already you'll need two BER's for the grant. Mind PMing me who it was that quoted it?

Deagol · 11-04-2021 06:15PM

slave1 wrote: »

Movement to night rate is very easy, just a phone call if you do not have the correct meter and there is no cost involved.

Yes, the standing charges and day rate are (slightly) higher but move likes of dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, immersion to night rate and its well worthwhile for average 2.4kid family, throw in an EV and then it's a no brainer.
Cheapest Energia night rate it currently 5.23c/kWh.
Prior to getting an EV our night rate usage was 65%, after EV it went to 80%.

But it depends in the household for sure, if just a couple without an EV then night rate much less an incentive, totally get that.

Right now at this time of the year I'm moving towards very little day usage with PV generation so the slightly higher day rates have no impact and I still enjoy the cheap night rates if we need to catch up on charging the car, water heating/dishwasher/dryer/w machine etc.

As a quick calc, just look at your usage from your last bill and throw in the night rate rates and see is it cheaper, easy as that.

Yeah, we are couple with no EV atm. Overnight, I'm using ~2.5 units - some nights I'm not using anything with the battery now, as evenings stretch that will become the norm over the summer. I turn on the dishwasher etc during the day when I have enough between solar and battery. Immersion is handled by the Eddi. Don't really have any use for night rate atm, that will change when EV arrives no doubt

slave1 · 11-04-2021 10:37PM

Deagol wrote: »

So 5k net. I like that he's broken out the labour price and honestly, looks like a fair price by the time he's paid a sparks and roofer and done all the paperwork etc.

Is the BER price included or do you have to organize that? Bear in mind unless you have a recent one already you'll need two BER's for the grant. Mind PMing me who it was that quoted it?

You just need one BER for grant, one done after installation

Deagol · 11-04-2021 11:15PM

slave1 wrote: »

You just need one BER for grant, one done after installation

Sorry, for some reason I thought you had to have a before and after. I had a before from recently buying my house so maybe I confused it.

KCross · 12-04-2021 09:05AM

Deagol wrote: »

Sorry, for some reason I thought you had to have a before and after. I had a before from recently buying my house so maybe I confused it.

The only reason for the before BER is for your own peace of mind that you will meet the min C rating you need for the grant.

You don’t want to get through the whole process and then find youre not grant eligible after you’ve paid the installer.

If you are sure you are already C or better then one BER after the install is all you need.

graememk · 12-04-2021 10:08AM

KCross wrote: »

The only reason for the before BER is for your own peace of mind that you will meet the min C rating you need for the grant.

You don’t want to get through the whole process and then find youre not grant eligible after you’ve paid the installer.

If you are sure you are already C or better then one BER after the install is all you need.

and if you want peace of mind a lot of BER assessors can do a Pre works BER, its all the grunt work of the BER but with nothing sent off.

When the work is done its a simple task of adding the solar and getting the cert.

MAULBROOK · 13-04-2021 07:49PM

Patmwgs wrote: »

The other thing ro remember is the battery will be sitting most of the winter doing very little if any. I would use the fit payment, cheaper electronics and shorter payback.

I recharged the battery on night rate during the winter for use during the day.
The bills have never been lower so i think it worked out.

Patmwgs · 13-04-2021 09:51PM

MAULBROOK wrote: »

I recharged the battery on night rate during the winter for use during the day.
The bills have never been lower so i think it worked out.

Thats a good idea, what leccy company are you with?

reni10 · 14-04-2021 07:36AM

MAULBROOK wrote: »

I recharged the battery on night rate during the winter for use during the day.
The bills have never been lower so i think it worked out.

Is this easy to setup so the battery gets charged every night from the grid and then when there is not enough or no generation the following night it uses the stored battery power?

championc · 14-04-2021 07:56AM

reni10 wrote: »

Is this easy to setup so the battery gets charged every night from the grid and then when there is not enough or no generation the following night it uses the stored battery power?

You just set a charging schedule on the inverter, to charge to xx% between hh:mm and hh:mm

Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

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