Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Viscount Aggro · 07-04-2021 06:02PM

im not paying my tv licence,
F*cked it into a skip yesterday.
Govt. propaganda and ****e content.

Eric Cartman · 07-04-2021 06:03PM

I got most of the way through reading this and said, how the hell could they reject this soft a deal for them, then I got to "the temporary cuts " These measures were only until 2023 FFS... What a pack of arrogant assh*les

I am thoroughly glad I have never paid a tv license, fcuk them.

07-04-2021 06:05PM

It's always funny how some of the least heard voices in a society are so in favour of getting rid of a vital tenet of democracy like a public service broadcaster. The marginalised, the eccentric, the deluded.

Doctors room ghost · 07-04-2021 06:06PM

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

im not paying my tv licence,
F*cked it into a skip yesterday.
Govt. propaganda and ****e content.

Would you not just sell it or give it away on adverts instead of the skip.bit dramatic

whisky_galore · 07-04-2021 06:06PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If you don’t want to pay your licence simply “throw” your TV, or TVs, out. You only have to pay it you own a TV.

My tv identifies as a radio.

shtpEdthePlum · 07-04-2021 06:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And keep the gravy train rolling along, can't have that indispensable "talent" poached by the BBC:

https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-staff-pay-5402998-Apr2021/

€160m in wages each year.

For what. For who?

What in blue blazes do we get for that??

Divided by 4m to account for a potential viewing public, that's already €40 each we pay in taxes to fund the talentless shower in RTE.

How much is a tv license then, like 80 quid? What a rip off. I'll watch netflix on my laptop thanks.

Brendan Bendar · 07-04-2021 06:08PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

What the union want is for staff to be offered big lump sums to retire early so they are holding out for big money. They know that threatening to strike is a waste of time because no-one in their right mind would vote for it. You might as well be at home on 50% with a big lump sum coming down the track instead of being at home on strike pay with no prospect of a lump. If Dee Forbes had any spine, she'd simply tell them, it's pay cuts or the dole,same as it has been for plenty of other firms and RTE is no exception.

You could have sommit there Stove.

Goggins of Monkstown better get a few extra taps in. .....:D

Eric Cartman · 07-04-2021 06:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's always funny how some of the least heard voices in a society are so in favour of getting rid of a vital tenet of democracy like a public service broadcaster. The marginalised, the eccentric, the deluded.

Mary Lou and Paul Murphy get loads of airtime on RTE.

Galwayguy35 · 07-04-2021 06:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's always funny how some of the least heard voices in a society are so in favour of getting rid of a vital tenet of democracy like a public service broadcaster. The marginalised, the eccentric, the deluded.

Sounds like you were one of the folks who rejected the idea.

Well I pay my license and I'd like to see someone like Mick O Leary go in there and show those twats how to turn things around.

Kivaro · 07-04-2021 06:13PM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

€160m in wages each year.

For what. For who?

What in blue blazes do we get for that??

Divided by 4m to account for a potential viewing public, that's already €40 each we pay in taxes to fund the talentless shower in RTE.

How much is a tv license then, like 80 quid? What a rip off. I'll watch netflix on my laptop thanks.

If you are paying 80 quid for the TV license, then you need to cover half of your television with newspaper. :pac:

07-04-2021 06:15PM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

For what. For who?

Engineers, IT staff, journalists, editors, legal, HR, archivists etc etc. I presume it's all in the annual report.

Then RTE's overall costs contribute to thousands of indirect jobs in production companies etc around the country.

I'm not saying RTE doesn't need reform, but the idea that all this is down to Tubs, Duffy, and O'Callaghan is the type of pipe dream that comes from people with far too much time on this hands. It shows a gross ignorance of the realities of running a large public-facing company.

phonypony · 07-04-2021 06:15PM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

€160m in wages each year.

For what. For who?

What in blue blazes do we get for that??

Divided by 4m to account for a potential viewing public, that's already €40 each we pay in taxes to fund the talentless shower in RTE.

How much is a tv license then, like 80 quid? What a rip off. I'll watch netflix on my laptop thanks.

Don't forget, if we actually ever wanted to watch anything, listen to anything or access the website, all that advertising we would be subjected to after having already funded all of this. Only to be met with what should be an impartial organisation, with agendas coming out its nose, an online player that isn't fit for purpose and plenty of jobs for the boys...

If they had one tenth the quality of output of the BBC I'd be happy to pay the fee. But it leaves a bitter taste to hand it over knowing how badly they will mismanage it.

Floppybits · 07-04-2021 06:17PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If you don’t want to pay your licence simply “throw” your TV, or TVs, out. You only have to pay it you own a TV.

But I use my TV as my screen for work.

EmmetSpiceland · 07-04-2021 06:23PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

My tv identifies as a radio.

If it can “receive” a tv signal it requires a licence.

elperello · 07-04-2021 06:24PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If you don’t want to pay your licence simply “throw” your TV, or TVs, out. You only have to pay it you own a TV.

Floppybits wrote: »

But I use my TV as my screen for work.

Just on the off chance that anyone thinks there is a loophole here I'd like to point out that it doesn't matter who owns the TV or what it is used for if it is in your house you need a licence.

athlone573 · 07-04-2021 06:28PM

elperello wrote: »

Just on the off chance that anyone thinks there is a loophole here I'd like to point out that it doesn't matter who owns the TV or what it is used for if it is in your house you need a licence.

"if you have a TV you need a TV licence. IT THE LAW"

Thanks for the reminder. In fairness I think we are getting better value here for 15 odd Euro a month from RTE than from Netflix these days.

biko · 07-04-2021 06:28PM

Won't take cuts? Fine, lay off a third of the "talent" and use the extra money to lower the licence fee.

07-04-2021 06:32PM

Scrap the TV license

07-04-2021 06:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Scrap the TV license

I agree. It's too costly to collect, and there's about 20% of the population who don't pay it. Just implement the broadcasting tax, and deduct it at source. Increase the fee as well, and increase funding for local radio, independent productions, and TG4.

Floppybits · 07-04-2021 06:45PM

biko wrote: »

Won't take cuts? Fine, lay off a third of the "talent" and use the extra money to lower the licence fee.

Sure the presenters are so in demand by other stations world wide that they would have no problem getting a new job right away.

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2021 06:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree. It's too costly to collect, and there's about 20% of the population who don't pay it. Just implement the broadcasting tax, and deduct it at source. Increase the fee as well, and increase funding for local radio, independent productions, and TG4.

Eh no.. How about they let RTE survive or fall on its own merits or implement a subscription service so those who DO want to fund it can pay for it.

Probably because RTE wouldn't survive unless they can force people to pay.

I pay the licence but the only way I'd be happy is if they scrapped RTE 2 and most of the radio stations and stopped trying to compete with the BBC and Sky in the entertainment stakes for things we've all probably seen elsewhere anyway.

Limit it to news, current affairs, cultural programming (not including stupid home makeover shows or Irish versions of UK/US talent shows) and domestic sports or sports featuring Irish international teams.

Do that at half the current license fee and I don't think anyone would have an issue and compliance would be a lot higher.

Eric Cartman · 07-04-2021 06:46PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Sure the presenters are so in demand by other stations world wide that they would have no problem getting a new job right away.

I live for the day we get to test that theory.

McMurphy · 07-04-2021 06:48PM

elperello wrote: »

Just on the off chance that anyone thinks there is a loophole here I'd like to point out that it doesn't matter who owns the TV or what it is used for if it is in your house you need a licence.

Does landlord have to pay the license fee for his tenants television?

Guffy · 07-04-2021 06:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1). The top earners being mentioned are usually contractors, and hence had no vote.
2). The presenters bring in multiples of what they earn in advertising.
3). This was in the main about staff who you don't see on TV or hear on radio. Semi-state employees who earn an average of just under €49k per year.
4). The 'top earners' contribute less than 3% to the overall cost base of the company.
5). Most of the people who complain so voraciously about RTE are the people who don't pay their TV Licence anyway, and hence should have no opinions on the matter.

I have no opinion on this.

whisky_galore · 07-04-2021 07:04PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If it can “receive” a tv signal it requires a licence.

Transmissionphobe.

wonderboysam · 07-04-2021 07:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

2). The presenters bring in multiples of what they earn in advertising.

whisky_galore · 07-04-2021 07:14PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Eh no.. How about they let RTE survive or fall on its own merits or implement a subscription service so those who DO want to fund it can pay for it.

Probably because RTE wouldn't survive unless they can force people to pay.

I pay the licence but the only way I'd be happy is if they scrapped RTE 2 and most of the radio stations and stopped trying to compete with the BBC and Sky in the entertainment stakes for things we've all probably seen elsewhere anyway.

Limit it to news, current affairs, cultural programming (not including stupid home makeover shows or Irish versions of UK/US talent shows) and domestic sports or sports featuring Irish international teams.

Do that at half the current license fee and I don't think anyone would have an issue and compliance would be a lot higher.

Agree.
RTE is a dated nepotistic monolith resistant to change still presenting repeats and piss poor copies of other networks' formats.
The LLS has had its day. People only watch it now for the cringe factor of how bad it can be.

They should stick to what they are good at, strip it down to current affairs and cultural things people want to watch, not those RTE *thinks* people like to watch just because someone's connected relative presents it.

Shane12 · 07-04-2021 07:24PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

My tv identifies as a radio.

Finally an excuse for the inspector, assuming he, she, they or it is woke.:)

dubrov · 07-04-2021 07:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

1). The top earners being mentioned are usually contractors, and hence had no vote.
2). The presenters bring in multiples of what they earn in advertising.
3). This was in the main about staff who you don't see on TV or hear on radio. Semi-state employees who earn an average of just under €49k per year.
4). The 'top earners' contribute less than 3% to the overall cost base of the company.
5). Most of the people who complain so voraciously about RTE are the people who don't pay their TV Licence anyway, and hence should have no opinions on the matter.

1) True but the fact they are contractors means they can be hit most easily
2) RTE always claim that the foreign programming is profitable but you seem to say the RTE presenters bring in a multiple of their salaries. So how are they losing money?
3/4) I see average salary was 60k in 2019. That top 3% would need to be on an average of 500k to bring the rest down to an average of 49k. For an organisation that size, these are scandalous numbers
5) I doubt that is true given the numbers paying and the numbers complaining on boards.

Feisar · 07-04-2021 08:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's always funny how some of the least heard voices in a society are so in favour of getting rid of a vital tenet of democracy like a public service broadcaster. The marginalised, the eccentric, the deluded.

I’m all for a public service broadcaster, not the bloated blimp that is RTE.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore