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An 18 Week Sabbatical

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    zico10 wrote: »
    It’s not called the ‘Science of Running’ for nothing. Some chapters are pretty heavy going, but I didn’t read them all. Magness does give his approval to skip some of the chapters, and I gladly did. Like yourself, I easily switch off when things get too technical. I tried reading it again after DCM 2018, but gave up.
    In the intro, Magness writes “There will be no formulaic training regimes or easy to follow training plans included.” But I honestly didn’t take away too much scientific knowledge from the chapters I did read. Essentially it was a “formulaic training regime“ for me in 2018. The perceived wisdom seems to be you need to know why you’re doing the training that you’re doing, but I didn’t find that to be the case. I just looked at the runs in the 21 week plan and did them. And it’s the same approach I’m taking now.
    If you’re buying the book with the intention of following one of the plans, then it could be worth it. Although that comes with the proviso that the first line on the back of the book is “If you are looking to finish your first 5k, this book isn’t for you.” If you’re buying it out of curiosity, then going on what you say above, I wouldn’t bother.

    I agree with the above - the thing for me is that when I read about recent trends in coaching, I remember the workouts in this book.

    Personally - I dont see myself following one of his plans - but I will certainly incorporate some of his workouts into my own plan.

    It might be also worthwhile having a browse on Krustys log from before he 'retired' it as he was also using Magness quite a bit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 8th February
    18km
    16.01km in 1:05:17, 4:05/km, 145bpm

    Opening Kilometre: 4:37
    Kilometres 2-15: 3:59 average
    Final Kilometre: 4:37

    I’ve temporarily relocated to Tullamore, and today was my first time venturing out for a run here. Unsure of any suitable routes and hoping to avoid any holdups, I stayed away from the town and opted to run on N52 in the direction of Durrow. It turned out to be a lumpier road than I had bargained for. Or maybe it just seemed that way as I’m not as fit as I’d like to be. I’ll likely be in Tullamore for a few weeks, so plenty of time to find out.
    Totals: 1:05 - 16.01km


    Tuesday 9th February
    15km
    15.02km in 1:01:34, 4:06/km, ?bpm

    Warm-up: 1.50km in 6:56, 4:37/km
    Kilometres 1.5-14.5: 4:00 average
    Cool down: 0.52km in 2:27, 4:44/km

    Day 2 in Tullamore, and I chose a different road to yesterday. Whenever I encountered a drag during the opening few kilometres of 13km at pace, I struggled to keep things on track. But then I was also dealing with a headwind, plus wearing several layers and a flappy gilet to deal with the windchill, on a day with top temperatures of 2°C. So I’ll cut myself some slack.
    Most pleasing thing of all is how I salvaged the thirteenth kilometre of this section. Unfamiliar with the route, I thought I was finished when my watch autolapped for the penultimate kilometre. I backed off and settled into cool down pace. As I approached a roundabout, I realised I had finished prematurely and thought “Ah feck it! 12km at pace isn’t a bad run.” I’d about 300m left before my cool down was supposed to have officially begun. However, I’d maintained 4:11 pace for the first 700m, and it wasn’t going to be too much of an ask to get it down under my 4:09/km upper limit. I upped the effort, and was rather pleased to see 3:56 flash on my watch when I completed this final kilometre.
    Totals: 1:01 - 15.02km


    Wednesday 10th February
    14.50km w/ 6 x 10” hill sprints
    14.50km in 1:07:16, 4:38/km, 125bpm

    Warmup: 2.15km in 10:08, 4:42/km, 125bpm
    Hill sprints: 1) 8.7” @ 3:23/km, 2)10.9” @ 3:46/km, 3) 10.1” @3:16/km, 4) 11.9” @ 3:34/km, 5) 11.1” @ 3:12/km, 6) 11.1” @ 3:41/km
    Run: 10.02km in 39:31, 3:57:km, 139bpm
    Cool down: 0.87km in 4:36, 5:16/km

    I took a 2 minute walking recovery after each hill sprint. I didn’t feel such generous recoveries were necessary, but as far as I could make out, that was Steve Magness’s advice. Part of me thinks I’m simply not capable of sprinting fast enough to warrant the recovery. And perhaps if I could run faster, I’d need every second of the 2 minutes walking.
    Anyway, once the eight sprints and subsequent walks were completed, I got stuck into the main body of today’s run. I sussed out another road’s suitability during this stretch. It was scenic, but lumpy. I would have settled for drab, but flat. The 10k itself while not tough, certainly wasn’t easy. I can think of a few reasons as to why, but it’s still very early days in the plan, so none of the reasons are cause for concern.
    Totals: 1:07 - 14.50km


    Thursday 11th February
    10km Run
    10.00km in 41:19, 4:08/km, 139bpm

    Opening Kilometre: 4:38
    Kilometres 2-8: 4:01 average
    Final Kilometre: 4:37

    I was on the Tullamore bypass for the bulk of the 8km at pace, and was exposed to a horrendous headwind for the first half. It was obviously helping me on the way back, but the wind chill combined with the 2°C ambient temperature made the help hard to appreciate.

    Totals: 0:41 - 10.00km

    There was a 6 mile recovery run in the plan for later today, but I substituted it with an easy 1-hour spin on my turbo trainer.


    Friday 12th February
    12km Progression + 1km Cool down
    13.00km in 54:29, 4:11/km

    Kilometre splits; 1) 5:03, -1m, 2) 4:53, +1m, 3) 4:42, -5m, 4) 4:34, +1m, 5) 4:22, +11m, 6) 4:17, +5m, 7) 4:03, +4m, 8) 3:56, -12m, 9) 3:42, -13m, 10) 3:36, -1m, 11) 3:29.5*, +5m, 12) 3:13 -1m,
    Finish) 4:35
    *I feel it’s important to record I hit my <3:30/km target.

    This was the scariest looking run in the first 2 weeks of the plan, and I’m glad I finished it having hit my targets. There was a significant wind today, and I made sure to plan my run, so as it would be as advantageous as possible. The way the bypass circles round Tullamore, meant after performing a 180° turn at the halfway mark, it was still another few kilometres before the crosswind turned into a most welcome tailwind. Consequently I never really got the sneaky mid-run recovery I was hoping for, but at least when it came to the fastest few kilometres, the wind was at my back. I’m not sure how long more I’d have held the 3:13/km pace I finished on. Not much longer I suspect, but I’ll find out for sure next week when I’ll tag on a thirteenth kilometre.
    Totals: 0:54 - 13.00km


    Saturday 13th February
    22km Long Run - Easy (My decision)
    22.54km in 1:41:14, 4:29/km, 133bpm

    As short as it was, after the hard work in yesterday’s progression run, I decided I’d run a far more conservative pace than usual. So as I wouldn’t be distracted by the readings on my Garmin, I switched the units to miles and ran to feel. It caused a few moments of panic when I saw 7:00+ pace showing on my watch, before I realised it was 7 minutes per mile, rather than the snail’s pace of 7 minutes per kilometre.
    Totals: 1:41 - 22.54km


    Sunday 14th February
    12km Recovery
    12.01km in 1:11:36, 5:58/km, 107bpm

    A most welcome recovery along the Grand Canal. I’ve been wondering where I’d find a nice flat route in Tullamore, and this should do. I knew the Grand Canal Greenway was a tarred path, but I was worried sporadic gates would be a bit of pain. They’re scarce enough though, and set up in such a way that I didn’t lose too much momentum getting through. I think the Greenway will suffice for next week’s progression run. Should walkers and gates arise simultaneously when I’m trying to run 1,000m at <3:10/km, I might just have to grunt a little louder than normal to clear a path. But other than that, I think it should work.
    Totals: 0:49 - 8.00km



    Weekly Totals
    Running - Time: 7:42, Distance: 103.08km
    Cross training - Time:
    (all virtual cycling)
    S & C - Time: 0:35 (A lame attempt at a strength workout; push-ups are a lot harder than they used to be.)

    I was happy with most things this week. I wasn’t as fast as I’d like to have been for Monday’s hill sprints, and to a lesser extent for the final 2km of Friday’s progression run. But I guess that’s why I’ve taken on this plan.
    Several days this week were very cold and windy, but I think I got off comparatively lightly here in Tullamore. I never had to contend with snow or ice, so that was a win. Fingers crossed that’s the last of the extreme cold weather for the year.
    Here’s hoping I’m as cheerful in 7 day’s time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Solid week. 2 mins is a generous recovery for short hill sprints. Whats the difference between those hill sprints vs your normal strides? What was the approx gradient? Was the objective to build strength/form like doing strides so you don't over tax the system? Sorry, haven't read Magness (yet) so not familiar with the approach.

    And to be able to knock out a 39 min 10k afterwards at low tempo 139HR is alright for week 2 I guess :cool::eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Solid week. 2 mins is a generous recovery for short hill sprints. Whats the difference between those hill sprints vs your normal strides? What was the approx gradient? Was the objective to build strength/form like doing strides so you don't over tax the system? Sorry, haven't read Magness (yet) so not familiar with the approach.

    And to be able to knock out a 39 min 10k afterwards at low tempo 139HR is alright for week 2 I guess :cool::eek:

    For strides, I start running merely thinking of form. Counting “One thousand one, one thousand two, etc.” in my head, I inject some pace every three seconds, finishing with what feels like a 5k effort. I concentrate on holding good form throughout the strides, whereas the hill sprints are eyeballs out from the get go.
    I couldn’t tell you what the gradient was, I didn’t take my protractor out with me. The hill wasn’t too steep though. Garmin Connect gives readings from 0m to 6m elevation gain over the 100m reps, and I started and stopped each stride in more or less the same place. It also says there was 2m lost on one of them, which would have been impossible. Make of that what you will.
    Like I said to Itziger, I don’t delve too deeply into the whys of the plan. But from what I did read, I think the purpose is to recruit muscles/fibers a distance runner wouldn’t normally use. I’m sure there’s a better explanation than this, but that’s enough motivation for me to do them. If somebody else wants to weigh in here, they’re welcome to.

    Cheers for the praise, but I wouldn’t have classed those 10 kilometres as a tempo effort. There’s a split 20 minute tempo coming up on Monday. I assure you my HR will be a lot higher than 139bpm for that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    the 2min recoveries for short hill sprints is important from a neurological adaptation perspective.
    The time allows for restoration of the phosphocreatine - with shorter recoveries - it may not be fully restored - making the benefits less and less.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 15th February
    16km w/ 8 x 10” hill sprints
    16.36km in 1:15:52, 4:38/km, 133bpm

    Warmup: 2.15km in 10:04, 4:41/km, 118bpm
    Hill sprints: 1) 10.8” @ 3:44/km, 2) 11.9” @ 3:19/km, 3) 11.6” @3:37/km, 4) 10.9” @ 3:17/km, 5) 11.5” @ 3:13/km, 6) 11.4” @ 3:16/km, 7) 11.7” @ 3:10/km, 8) 11.1” @ 3:19/km
    Run: 11.28km in 43:22, 3:51/km, 149bpm*
    Cool down: 1.01km in 4:47
    This was more or less the same deal as last week’s hill sprints, but with two extra sprints added, and a single kilometre added to the “run” part. Once again, I spent two minutes walking the recoveries, and once again, I didn’t feel I needed all that time.
    The 7 miles at pace felt easier than last week, but I took a much flatter route, and there was nothing like last week’s strong gusts of wind today. *I only notice my heart rate was 10bpm higher than fit the equivalent section in last week’s run, because shotgunmcos commented. I did move 6 seconds per kilometre quicker, but the higher heart rate doesn’t really fit with the narrative that it felt easier. It’s never something I unduly concerned myself with though, and I only it because.
    Totals: 1:16 - 16.36km

    65 minute virtual cycling in the evening


    Tuesday 16th February
    14.50km
    15.02km in 1:01:34, 4:06/km

    Warm-up: 1.0.0km in 4:47
    Kilometres 1-14: 3:54 average
    Cool down: 0.50km in 2:15, 4:26/km
    Back onto the Grand Canal Way today, but I headed west instead of east. I missed a crossover point that would have taken me onto a tarmac path on the opposite bank. I then had to contend with a muddy stretch clearly used by tractors. After slipping for a third time, I decided to stop and turn around. Thankfully I stayed on my feet, but I didn’t want to chance it happening a fourth time. I’d the wind my back now, and once I got back on the tarmac path, I cruised home.
    Totals: 1:02 - 15.02km

    8km w/ 6 x 100m strides
    8.00km in 32:54, 4:07/km, 142bpm

    Warmup: 1.00km in 4:32
    Run: 4.50km in 18:04, 4:01/km, 142bpm
    100m Strides: 1) 20.2” @ 3:22/km, 2) 21.7” @ 3:37/km, 3) 21.1” @3:31/km, 4) 21.0” @ 3:30/km, 5) 21.2” @ 3:32/km, 6) 21.0” @ 3:30/km
    Run 1.00km in 3:56
    Cool down: Walking
    I was pleasantly surprised how fresh I felt for this. And with my legs still feeling good after the strides, instead of using the final kilometre as a cool down, as I had originally intended, I went back to my general training pace to finish out the 8km.
    Totals: 0:33 - 8.00km


    Wednesday 17th February
    16km
    16.01km in 1:04:05, 4:00/km, 145bpm

    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:36
    Kilometres 2-15: 3:52 average
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:35
    After three hours plotting a route on Garmin Connect, I eventually opened my front door and faced into what was supposed to be the first of two daily runs. I need to develop a more intuitive feel for pace, so I didn’t look at my watch for half of the run. I couldn’t resist looking at the kilometre splits every time they flashed though, so there’s I’m still doubting myself clearly.
    Totals: 1:04 - 16.01km

    55 minutes on turbo trainer
    My legs felt heavy when the time came for a scheduled 4 mile run. And it occurred to me I’ve been doing a lot more of the plan than I intended. So being prudent, I did this instead.


    Thursday 18th February
    13km Progression + 1km Cool down
    14.06km in 58:35, 4:11/km

    Kilometre splits; 1) 4:57, -9m (I wanted to keep this between 5:00-5:10/km, but I just couldn’t run slow enough), 2) 4:55,-2m, 3) 4:47, +6m, 4) 4:31, +19m, 5) 4:22, -10m, 6) 4:12, -3m, 7) 4:05, -1m, 8) 3:56, -10m, 9) 3:44, +2m, 10) 3:36, +8m, 11) 3:36, +10m, 12) 3:19.7 (Hit my <3:20/km target😀), -8m, 13) 3:15 -3m (Failed - aiming for <3:10/km; this included having to slowdown for an almost about turn at a round about, so I might have eked another second or two out of the effort, but the game was up long before then.)
    Finish) 4:35; I’d just about chalk this down as a successful run. (I don’t know if it qualifies as a session.)
    I can’t honestly remember the last time I ran a kilometre in less than 3 minutes and 10 seconds, so I was being tremendously ambitious hoping to run one at the end of this progression run. (Even if I did plan a route with a downhill finish.) Things feel like they’re going in the right direction though, and I’m hopeful of successfully executing the feat the next time a progression run crops up. It helps that that won’t be until the start of May. That of course comes with the proviso that I stick with this 10,000m plan for that long. But so far, so good, and I am actually enjoying the training. So fingers crossed I don’t get distracted along the way.
    Totals: 0:41 - 10.00km

    50 minute virtual cycling in the evening


    Friday 19th February

    10km
    10.01km in 42:15, 4:13/km, 140bpm

    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:57
    Kilometres 2-9: 4:01 average
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:06
    I went out the door only planning 6km at pace. It seemed a bit short the more I thought about it. Knowing it was only a recovery run I’d to do this evening, piled on even more guilt. Making a decision on the fly, I settled on 8km, and happily called it at that.
    Totals: 0:42 - 10.01km

    8km Recovery
    8.00km in 54:22, 6:47/km, 106bpm
    I was trying to keep my heart rate at around 100bpm. It required “running” ridiculously slowly, but hopefully it was beneficial.
    Totals: 0:54 - 8.00km


    Saturday 20th February
    Long Run w/ 6 x {30 second surges + 3 minute run}
    23.59km in 1:33:52, 3:59/km, 144bpm

    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:50
    8 Kilometres: 3:57/km average, 142bpm
    Surges + 3’ run;
    1) 0.15km @ 3:17/km, Max = 3:00/km + 0.77km @ 3:55/km
    2) 0.17km @ 2:59/km, Max = 2:56/km + 0.76km @ 3:57/km
    3) 0.16km @ 3:09/km, Max = 2:58/km + 0.77km @ 3:53/km
    4) 0.16km @ 3:03/km, Max = 2:54/km + 0.78km @ 3:52/km
    5) 0.17km @ 3:00/km, Max = 2:53/km + 0.77km @ 3:54/km
    6) 0.16km @ 3:04/km, Max = 2:57/km + 0.77km @ 3:55/km
    8 Kilometres: 3:55/km average, 147bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:08
    I approached the surges by increasing my pace once after 10 seconds, and again after 20. I was running pretty much flat out come the end of the 30 seconds. I wasn’t allowing myself any recovery, and settled straight back into my general training pace. I was pleased how well I managed this and my heart rate responded appropriately. I’ll record this as one of my better long runs of late.
    Totals: 1:34 - 23.59km


    Sunday 21st February
    8km Recovery
    8.05km in 44:55, 5:34/km, 109bpm

    This was down as an 8 mile run in the plan, but between this and that, I didn’t have time for much more than the 8km I did run. Although after less than 3km today, I had already gone beyond a 10% increase on last week’s mileage. Consequently I didn’t feel too guilty about skimping on the recommended 8 miles.
    Totals: 0:49 - 8.00km



    Weekly Totals
    Running - Time: 8:44, Distance: 118.58km
    Cross training - Time: 2:50
    (all virtual cycling)
    S & C - Time: 0:00 (Not something I’m proud of, but my normal routine is out the window, and I find hard to start new habits when that’s the way things are.)


  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭BeginnerRunner


    Having just saw the most recent circa 120km/week updated, I'm now off to pg1 to read from the start :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Having just saw the most recent circa 120km/week updated, I'm now off to pg1 to read from the start :o

    Good luck with that. It’s 15 pages mostly filled with self doubt and worrying about being too fat. It probably reads like a teenage girl’s diary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 22nd February
    17km w/ 20 minute split tempo
    17.01km in 14:56, 4:24/km, 134bpm

    Splits;
    6.60km in 30:01, 4:33/km, 134bpm
    2.91km in 10:00, 3:26/km, 147bpm
    0.39km in 2:01, 5:08/km, 150bpm
    2.79km in 10:00, 3:35/km, 168bpm
    4.32km in 22:58, 5:18/km
    The plan/hope was to hold a pace of 3:27/km for two 10 minutes of tempo work. This is what I held for my marathon PB in 2018, so despite being nowhere near marathon PB shape right now, you’d still think a broken twenty 20 minutes would be a piece of piss. I couldn’t really aim for anything slower than marathon pace, no matter how early in this 21 week plan it is.
    I felt the Grand Canal Way would make an ideal route for today’s run, and for the first 10 minutes tempo, it was. I happily finished just under my target pace. I’d seriously underestimated the assistance the wind had provided though and I’d probably have fared better had I just kept running in the direction I had been running, finishing out the prescribed 20 minutes in one go. It was down in the plan as a “split tempo” though, and assuming the break would be beneficial, I stopped for a 2 minute jog halfway through.
    Buoyed by how the first half had gone, I turned into the wind to take on the second half, reasonably confident I’d manage keep things on track. Even though it was a pan flat route, it started to feel like an uphill battle straight away. My watch never once showed I was on pace. Instead I just kept getting slower and slower, and the effort kept getting harder and harder. When those 10 minutes were finally up, it was rather deflating to see an average pace 8 seconds off what I was hoping to run. But at at least when it was over, my pace wasn’t going to get any worse.
    I simply stopped my watch and spent a couple of minutes to catch my breath, and get my heart rate back down. The tempo pace had taken way more out of me than it should have, and it was the first run in the plan where it felt like I failed. There’s little point dwelling on it though. If all the runs were easy, then it would probably be an indication that I wasn’t trying hard enough.
    Totals: 1:15 - 17.01km


    Tuesday 23rd February
    14.50km
    14.51km in 58:57, 4:04/km, 143bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:41
    Kilometres 2-14: 3:59 average, 149bpm
    Cool down: 0.51km in 2:31, 4:57/km
    This wasn’t the most enjoyable of runs. The wind made for a difficult second half, and after putting in a bit of a spurt to cross the road, a sudden gust carried me another bit further and only a few inches short of ending up in the hedgerow. It was a little bit alarming, but it made me very happy I wasn’t out on a bike.
    Totals: 0:59 - 14.51km

    8km w/ 6 x 100m strides
    8.00km in 35:20, 4:25/km, 137bpm

    Splits;
    Warmup: 1.00km in 5:04
    Run: 4.50km in 18:31, 4:07/km, 138bpm
    100m Strides: 1) 20.4” @ 3:24/km, 2) 22.9” @ 3:49/km, 3) 22.0” @3:40/km, 4) 22.5” @ 3:45/km, 5) 22.1” @ 3:41/km, 6) 20.8” @ 3:28/km
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:31
    I wasn’t supposed to be doing strides at all, but I must have looked at Tuesday of week 3 just before heading out the door. There was no zip at all in my legs, and even though I was only doing them by accident, I was actually glad when the time for strides came, as the <4:09/km pace I was aiming to hold was proving a lot more troublesome than it ordinarily would. And unlike last Tuesday, there was no way I was doing anything but cooling down once the strides were out of the way.
    Totals: 0:35 - 8.00km


    Wednesday 24th February
    Distance run w/ 10 x 10” hill sprints + 12km run
    16.48km in 1:17:55, 4:44/km, 135bpm

    Splits;
    Warmup: 1.30km in 6:07, 4:43/km, 135bpm
    Hill sprints: 1) 11.4” @ 4:39/km, 2) 12.0” @ 4:48/km, 3) 11.5” @ 4:45/km, 4) 11.9” @ 4:29/km, 5) 12.0” @ 5:00/km, 6) 11.8” @ 5:28/km, 7) 12.0” @ 4:06/km, 8) 11.6” @ 4:11/km, 9) 11.5” @ 4:08/km, 10) 11.6” @ 3:57/km,
    Run: 12.00km in 45:31, 3:47/km, 147bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:53
    I used a brand new hill for today’s hill sprints; brand new to me that is. The speeds look very slow, and I really doubt this is all down to the gradient. There were trees on both sides of the path, so maybe that affected the GPS readings. But the sprints were so short, there’s hardly much point worrying about them. Inaccurate data or not, I ran them as fast as I could, so I’m assuming I got the benefits.
    I didn’t really know what distance I’d run after the hill sprints, but the longer I ran, the more comfortable I started to feel, and a worst case scenario 8km run ended up being 12km. I was quite pleased to finish with an average pace of 3:47/km. That’s 1 second quicker than the pace range I’ve set for these distance runs (MP + 10-20%), but I’ll need to do a lot more runs like this one before I shift the goalposts.
    Totals: 1:18 - 16.48km


    Thursday 25th February
    23km w/ 2 x 10km at training pace
    23.00km in 1:33:19, 4:03/km, 141bpm

    Splits;
    Warmup: 1.00km in 4:45
    Run 1: 10.00km in 39:28, 3:57/km, 136bpm
    Easy: 1.00km in 4:22
    Run 2: 10.00km in 39:16, 3:56/km, 150bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:15
    This was supposed to be a double run day, but due to DPD f*cking up a delivery on me (long story), my entire day was wasted, and I had to combine the two daily runs and do them as one activity. Because I was missing out on the benefits of a double run day, I decided that splitting the run would be the best compromise. So the splits you see above is approach I took. Towards the end of the second 10km, I found myself having to run doglegs into three different estates just to make up the distance. It was starting to feel like a bit of an effort at this stage, and I finished cursing DPD for having forced me into doing a midweek long-run.
    Totals: 1:33 - 23.00km


    Friday 26th February
    8km
    8.03km in 33:50, 4:13/km, 137bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:56
    Kilometres 2-7: 4:02 average, 143bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:48
    This was tougher than I was expecting, and the new Adidas Adizero Pro I was wearing didn’t give me that free and easy feeling I was hoping €189.90 would buy.
    Totals: 0:34 - 8.03km


    Saturday 27th February [/ B]
    Long Run w/ 5 minute pickup
    22.02km in 1:30:01, 4:05/km, 137bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 2.14km in 10:01, 4:41/km, 119bpm
    70min run: 17.42km in 1:10:02, 4:01/km, 139bpm
    5 minute pickup;
    1) 0.25km in 0:59, 3:54/km, 1m gain & 1m loss, 147bpm
    2) 0.27km in 1:00, 3:41/km, 6m gain & 0m loss, 153bpm
    3) 0.28km in 1:00, 3:31/km, 0m gain & 2m loss, 151bpm
    4) 0.28km in 0:59, 3:29/km, 0m gain & 3m loss, 150bpm
    5) 0.32km in 1:02, 3:14/km, 1m gain & 0m loss, 150bpm

    Cool down: 1.04km in 4:59, 4:47/km, 137bpm
    I completed the boards February run challenge today, but it was just a box ticking exercise. In truth, the less hills I had to contend with the better. The plan was a 70 minute run before finishing with a 5 minute pickup. At what pace I’d be able to finish the 5 minute pickup at was an open question. I was going to try keep the 70 minutes between 4:00-4:10/km, then drop the pace by 10 seconds per kilometre every minute. If things went as scripted, I would be looking to run <3:20/km for the final 60 seconds. It’s a lot quicker than the MP or tempo pace Magness advised to end with, but it made sense at the time. I successfully managed the progression in 5 minute pick-up, but I think I’ll take things a little easier the next time.
    Totals: 1:30 - 22.02km


    Sunday 28th February
    13km Recovery
    13.01km in 1:10:47, 5:26/km, 113bpm
    It was a gorgeous morning to and after looping around the outskirts of Tullamore, I found myself on a road that merged with the Grand Canal Way. At the first opportunity, I crossed a bridge for a few muddy kilometres on the south bank of the Grand Canal. After 35 minutes of running, I stopped awhile to behold the view and breathe in the country air. I don’t always get the opportunity for such quiet moments of reflection on my runs, and today, I came to the conclusion it was a good day to be alive.
    Totals: 1:11 - 13.01km



    Weekly Totals
    Running - Time: 8:44, Distance: 118.58km
    Cross training - Time: 0:45
    A shockingly low amount for someone who still has notions of doing an Ironman this year, but I guess that’s an indication of where my priorities are right now.
    S & C - Time: 0:00


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 1st March
    19km w/ 25 minute split tempo
    19.06km in 1:21:05, 4:15/km, 131bpm

    Splits;
    5.50km in 25:01, 4:33/km, 129bpm
    3.53km in 12:31, 3:33/km, 140bpm, 19m gain & 12m loss
    Recovery: 3 minutes walking
    3.70km in 12:31, 3:23/km, 140bpm, 14m gain & 16m loss
    Recovery: 3 minutes jogging
    5.38km in 25:01, 4:39/km, 126bpm
    4.32km in 22:58, 5:18/km

    Despite the appeal of the pancake flat Grand Canal Way, I decided I’d do this on normal roads. After my substandard tempo run last week, I was a little bit apprehensive about this. Before beginning the first 12½ minutes, I stopped to remove the base layer I was wearing. I stuffed it in a hedge, and 30 seconds later I was off, running in just a T-shirt for the first time since autumn.
    Unlike last week, I didn’t aim for a particular pace. I was hoping what felt like a tempo effort would turn out a satisfactory pace. I don’t remember many downhill stretches over the first 12½ minutes tempo, but there must have been some. I certainly noticed them retracing my steps during the second part. The wind was at my back now though, and I never felt like I was over reaching.
    While some bit off what I’m truly capable of for a tempo effort, the 3:28/km average finishing pace will do for now, and it left me in a much better mood than I was in after last week’s tempo run.
    Totals: 1:21 - 19.06km


    Tuesday 2nd March
    Run 1 - 10km
    10.01km in 41:28, 4:09/km, 127bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:53
    Kilometres 2-9: 4:00 average, 130bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:34

    Totals: 0:41 - 10.01km

    Run 2 - 10km
    10.01km in 41:37, 4:09/km

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:44
    Kilometres 2-9: 4:00 average
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:52
    I’m not 100% sure of the accuracy of the HR readings on either of today’s runs. There were spikes and drops in both that don’t seem realistic, so I won’t bother logging the data.
    Totals: 0:42 - 10.01km


    Wednesday 3rd March
    Distance Run w/ 8 x 30” surges + 3’ run
    15.41km in 1:01:27, 3:59/km, 139bpm

    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:47
    3.00km in 12:12, 4:04/km, 142bpm
    Surges + 3’ run;
    1) 0.15km @ 3:12/km, Max = 3:08/km + 0.78km @ 3:50/km
    2) 0.14km @ 3:23/km, Max = 3:18/km + 0.76km @ 3:55/km
    3) 0.15km @ 3:12/km, Max = 3:08/km + 0.76km @ 3:56/km
    4) 0.14km @ 3:25/km, Max = 3:19/km + 0.77km @ 3:53/km
    5) 0.15km @ 3:19/km, Max = 3:13/km + 0.77km @ 3:52/km
    6) 0.14km @ 3:27/km, Max = 3:16/km + 0.77km @ 3:52/km
    7) 0.15km @ 3:17/km, Max = 3:20n/km + 0.77km @ 3:53/km
    6) 0.14km @ 3:30/km, Max = 3:12/km + 0.80km @ 3:44/km
    3.00km in 11:30, 3:50/km, 142bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:57

    I was up in Dublin today, and did the bulk of this in the NSC. It was great to be back on familiar and unchanging terrain. With no surprises in store, it was easy gauge the effort required to hit the necessary paces. I was deliberately not going as deep for the surges as I did 11 days ago. I still increased the pace every 10 seconds, but come the end of each surge, the effort was far closer to what I’d be capable of holding in a 5k race.
    Definitely good speed overall; but I was wearing Nike’s original 4% shoes. When I bought them, it was my avowed intention to save such expensive runners for a race, But the heels literally fell off after a race last August, and I’d no longer trust this particular pair. They had seen very little use up until then (100km approximately), so I think there should still be a little bit of life left in them. Today’s run would seem to confirm that suspicion.
    Totals: 1:01 - 15.41km


    Thursday 4th March
    Distance Run - 14.50km
    14.50km in 58:06, 4:00/km, 143bpm

    Splits;
    Warmup: 1.00km in 4:52
    Run: 13.00km in 50:50, 3:55/km, 146bpm
    Cool down: 0.50km in 2:23, 4:41/km
    I did the exact same run on the exact same route as last week. Just to get a comparison, I did it again. I was quicker today for a lower heart rate. Only that the wind was far less of a factor today, I’d chalk that down as an improvement.
    Totals: 0:58 - 14.51kmn


    Friday 5th March
    Distance Run w/ 2 x 4 Miles at MP
    17.14km in 1:06:50, 3:54/km, 140 bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.61km in 7:29, 4:39/km
    MP Effort 1: 6.44km in 22:53, 3:33/km, 22m gain & 36m loss, 134bpm
    Recovery: 1.05km in 5:00, 4:46/km, 133bpm
    MP Effort 2: 6.44km in 23:01, 3:35/km, 37m gain & 32m loss, 158bpm
    Cool down: 1.61km in 8:25, 5:14/km

    The way my recent tempo runs have been going, I felt there was little point chasing my marathon PB pace of 3:27/km. I settled on <3:35km as a target, but I realised it wasn’t a pace I was simply going to be able to click into.
    The first 4 miles actually passed comfortably enough. I had to work, but keeping things under my 3:35/km target didn’t prove too strenuous. The second 4 miles proved a little more difficult though. My legs just didn’t seem to want to cooperate, and there were several moments when I felt like throwing in the towel. I was nearing the end of the 4 miles, when I was confronted with a 480m hill, with 18m of elevation. Whilst running up it, my pace drifted out to 3:36/km. I was thinking “F*ck it, at least you tried!” But what goes up, must come down, and the same hill presented me a fast declivitous finish. I was able to claw back one second, and while I didn’t manage to hold <3:35/km pace for the second split, at least I can say my average pace for the 8 miles was passable.
I do find it a bit strange that even though it was by the skin of my teeth, I still hit the target I’d set myself. When I saw it was getting away from me in the last few hundred metres, I was able to dig a bit deeper to keep things on track; Central Governor being put back in his box, perhaps.
    Totals: 1:07 - 17.14km


    Saturday 6th March
    Long Run - 15 miles easy
    24.17km in 1:48:57, 4:30/km, 129bpm

    Steve Magness hadn’t tagged this as an easy run, but I felt like it had been a challenging enough week up until now. I thought I had earned the right to back off a bit. I plotted a route on Garmin Connect, and just had the course displayed on my watch for the entire run. I ignored all other metrics and concentrated on taking it easy.
    Totals: 1:49 - 24.17km


    Sunday 7th March
    16km Recovery
    16.10km in 1:32:36, 5:45/km, 110bpm

    I decided I’d explore Charleville Forest/Castle/(and as I found out) some farmer’s private land. It was about 3km from my front door to the gates of the castle, and once in the demesne, I followed paths into the thicket; some paths led to dead ends, and others which led to undergrowth so thick, simply moving forward became bushwhacker-esque. After such trials and tribulations, I found myself running down a path bordered by fields. There were sheep grazing to one side of me, and cows to the other. I was enjoying the scenery, when a lady emerged from a barn, cried out at me, and gestured for me to turn back. Now realising, I must have been trespassing on private land, I held my hand up in apology and turned round. I think the farmer realised it was an honest mistake, and she seemed to accept my apology. Incidentally, I somehow doubt I was the first person to inadvertently stray onto her land today. But anyway, after all this, I’d covered far more distance than I had planned. I began with 15km as my goal, but even by tagging on an extra one kilometre and one hundred metres, I was still well short of my house. I’d covered 10 miles by now though, the max distance Magness recommends for recovery runs. Happy with what I’d done, I contented myself with a long walk home through the town of Tullamore.
    Totals: 1:32 - 16.10km

    8km Recovery
    8.01km in 45:54, 5:44/km, 112bpm
    I hadn’t planned this run at all, but after sitting down for my afternoon breakfast, I logged onto Strava, and saw I was approximately 8km shy of increasing last week’s mileage by 10%. I’m happy with how my body is holding up, and I want to be able to log two 100 mile weeks in weeks 7 and 8 of this plan. I think it’s best if I start building up to 100 miles by small increments, rather than one big 40km jump. So tonight’s second daily run was the first step down that road.
    Totals: 0:45 - 8.01km



    Weekly Totals
    Running - Time: 9:55, Distance: 134.40km
    Cross training - Time: 1:25
    All virtual cycling
    S & C - Time: 0:00


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I’ve done that inadvertent trespass thing too. Always worth it.

    Couple of questions:

    1. Is NSC the sports campus, and if so we’re you on the grass or the roads? Do the 4% shoes work on grass - wouldn’t have thought so, especially if wet.

    2. That MP split run - if HR was so much higher on second stretch, is it really M effort?

    Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Murph_D wrote: »
    I’ve done that inadvertent trespass thing too. Always worth it.

    Couple of questions:

    1. Is NSC the sports campus, and if so we’re you on the grass or the roads? Do the 4% shoes work on grass - wouldn’t have thought so, especially if wet.

    2. That MP split run - if HR was so much higher on second stretch, is it really M effort?

    Cheers.

    It’s the National Sports Campus I’m talking about alright, but I didn’t go near the X-country route. The run was all on road or at least hard paths. I can’t imagine the magic of the 4% shoes would work as well on grass, but I’ve never tried either.

    You’re probably right, it wasn’t a marathon effort, and there’s no way I’d have kept the intensity up for 26 miles. But it was an out and back run, with a tailwind on the way out, and and a headwind on the way back. That definitely made the second 4 miles harder. But more often than not, I’d rather aggressively chase targets than just accept I’m not in shape, and run to feel. I think I’ve done alright with such an approach in the past, so until I see something that tells me this isn’t working, I don’t think I’ll change my approach. Looking at it now, I should have left out the word “Effort”. “4 miles at <3:35/km no matter the cost” would probably have been more apt.

    Incidentally, 159bpm was my average HR for my 2:26 marathon.,


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Far be it from me to suggest a change of approach. That’s a good bit of extra contextual info re wind and historic M HR. I know you like to keep things simple, and training to perceived effort would seem to me to be the simplest method of all. I am slightly surprised at chasing time targets in significantly varying conditions though - but as you say, whatever works!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    It’s already past my bedtime. I’ll give you a detailed reply tomorrow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Far be it from me to suggest a change of approach. That’s a good bit of extra contextual info re wind and historic M HR. I know you like to keep things simple, and training to perceived effort would seem to me to be the simplest method of all. I am slightly surprised at chasing time targets in significantly varying conditions though - but as you say, whatever works!

    Firstly, they weren't significantly varying conditions for this particular run. Fully fit, rested, and at racing weight, I don't think my heart rate would have risen by so much. But I've a while to go before I'd claim any of those three things. But if we leave out the word "significantly", then yes, I still think it's important to chase your time targets in training.

    I don't know if you’re familiar with the film 'Dodgeball', but there's a no-nonsense dodgeball coach in it named Patches O' Houlihan. And it’s his coaching philosophy I subscribe to: "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!" Likewise, if you can run your race pace in testing training conditions, you can run it in a race. Sometimes, I'm as guilty as the next person of picking easy routes, and ensuring my intervals are wind assisted, but I think there's only so much of this one can get away with. What are you going to do when confronted with a headwind, or hill in a race? It's not like you can turn around to have it at your back, or start running downhill. Race conditions are going to vary; some parts of the race will be tougher than others, so you need to take this into account when training.

    For the run in question, it was my average pace over the 4 miles I was looking at, not moving pace. 4 miles is a fairly long stretch, and the terrain was typical of many road races you'd get in Ireland. If you want to run a full marathon at <3:35/km pace, then I think it would be important your average pace for any 4-mile stretch is as close to that target pace as possible. No doubt plenty will disagree with this approach, but I ardently stuck to this belief when training for DCM 2018.

    If you look at this run from back then; https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/3088306885 you’ll see that I held 3:31/km, 3:31/km, 3:31/km and 3:32/km for the four 3 miles splits. All four presented very different challenges, but I resolutely kept to my pace regardless. This was only one of many training runs where I employed similar tactics. The pace I was targeting that day was for a sub 2:30 marathon. Knowing I was capable of it come what may, was a huge confidence booster, and I’m certain sessions like this one enabled me to run even quicker on the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    zico10 wrote: »
    Firstly, they weren't significantly varying conditions for this particular. Fully fit, rested, and at racing weight, I don't think my heart rate would have risen by so much. But I've a while to go before I'd claim any of those three things. But if we leave out the word "significantly", then yes, I still think it's important to chase your time targets in training.

    I don't know if you’re familiar with the film 'Dodgeball', but there's a no-nonsense dodgeball coach in it named Patches O' Houlihan. And it’s his coaching philosophy I subscribe to: "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!" Likewise, if you can run your race pace in testing training conditions, you can run it in a race. Sometimes, I'm as guilty as the next person of picking easy routes, and ensuring my intervals are wind assisted, but I think there's only so much of this one can get away with. What are you going to do when confronted with a headwind, or hill in a race? It's not like you can turn around to have it at your back, or start running downhill. Race conditions are going to vary; some parts of the race will be tougher than others, so you need to take this into account when training.

    For the run in question, it was my average pace over the 4 miles I was looking at, not moving pace. 4 miles is a fairly long stretch, and the terrain was typical of many road races you'd get in Ireland. If you want to run a full marathon at <3:35/km pace, then I think it would be important your average pace for any 4-mile stretch is as close to that target pace as possible. No doubt plenty will disagree with this approach, but I ardently stuck to this belief when training for DCM 2018.

    If you look at this run from back then; https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/3088306885 you’ll see that I held 3:31/km, 3:31/km, 3:31/km and 3:32/km for the four 3 miles splits. All four presented very different challenges, but I resolutely kept to my pace regardless. This was only one of many training runs where I employed similar tactics. The pace I was targeting that day was for a sub 2:30 marathon. Knowing I was capable of it come what may, was a huge confidence booster, and I’m certain sessions like this one enabled me to run even quicker on the day.

    Interesting post following an interesting question. I just happened to be reading you whole log this morning so I probably have some fresh context :)

    I get both of your views. I'm a fan of RPE and heart rate, but only as a secondary control measure. To cap training effort or to establish where I currently am in terms of paces. I'll do a few kms or miles at X-Y HRR and if it matches the range of goal paces then I feel good about training to those. Then training to pace is what its all about. The more race specific volume you hit in training, the more likely you are to execute that in a race.

    Secondly I think its vital to train for the terrain and conditions you will expect. Ideally train your race specific miles over similar terrain or worse. Hills and wind are your training buddies for races in Ireland :)

    Although I did mostly tailwind intervals on Tuesday as the wind was rather extreme :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Don't get me wrong, there is obviously a lot to be said for disciplined pacing in both training and racing. The fact my half marathon splits for DCM 2018 were 1:12:25 and 1:13:56 is evidence I didn't pace things well. And I'm not sure if I ever negative-splitted a race, I've certainly never done it in a marathon.

    I know you, and others, often run with a cap on max heart rate, and if it benefits you great, but I think it must become very easy to settle for comfortable long runs (which will still be well short of 42km), if this remains your approach to all that you do. You're going to make gains following any well structured plan. It seems to me most runners don't take account of that, and grow complacent when sub-3 pace becomes easily manageable. Training is supposed to hurt sometimes. Instead of pushing on, they continue to train to just barely break 3 hours. So it's no great surprise to me there are so many near misses for this mythical target. Your target pace should always be a moving goalpost. It seems to me that the majority just move those goalposts after finishing a complete 18 week plus training block.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 8th March
    1 hour 40 minute w/ 30 minute split tempo
    22.06km in 1:40:00, 4:32/km, 130bpm

    Splits;
    5.36km in 25:33, 4:46/km, 125bpm
    2.87km in 10:00, 3:29/km, 139bpm, 15m gain & 15m loss
    Recovery: 2 minutes walking
    2.85km in 10:00, 3:30/km, 140bpm, 18m gain & 13m loss
    Recovery: 2 minutes walking
    2.85km in 10:00, 3:31/km, 158bpm, 18m gain & 19m loss
    Recovery: 2 minutes walking
    7.54km in 38:12, 5:04/km, 122bpm
    I’d done a short spin on my turbo trainer this morning with a few accelerations in the hope it would be an ideal leg loosener for this tempo run. My legs felt a little bit dead when crunch time arrived, and I’m not sure if the earlier spot of cycling was a help or a hinderance.
    I used a stretch of road I’d discovered on last Saturday’s long for the tempo efforts today. My memory of it was that it would be mostly downhill for efforts of 1 and 3. My memory turned out to be faulty though, and with what was mostly a gentle crosswind throughout, none of the efforts proved easier than another. I think I made an okay fist of things, but I’m well into the base period of the plan now, so I won’t start rejoicing. And come the pre-competition period, I’d hope to be a good few seconds faster for the effort I was putting in today.
    After finishing the combined 30 minutes of tempo work, I could have taken a shorter route home, but had to go back to retrieve a few items of clothing I’d stashed in a hedge. It made for a long cool down, but at least it served to bump up my weekly mileage.
    Totals: 1:40 - 22.06km


    Tuesday 9th March
    Run 1 - 8km
    8.00km in 32:29, 4:11/km, 126bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 5:05
    Kilometres 2-7: 6.00km in 23:52, 3:55/km, 129bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:52
    I was wearing a very old and cheap pair of beaten up runners for this. Considering that, I was happy enough how easy I found it to hit my target pace. Or maybe I’m just over complicating things.
    Totals: 0:32 - 8.00km

    Run 2 - Distance run w/ 13km progression
    15.00km in 1:00:14, 4:01/km, 139bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 5:19 - 111bpm
    Kilometres 2-14: 2) 4:09 - 118bpm, 3) 4:07 - 121bpm, 4) 4:02 - 124bpm, 5) 3:59 - 127bpm, 6) 3:55 - 134bpm, 6) 3:55 - 134bpm, 7) 3:51 - 142bpm, 8) 3:48 - 145bpm, 9) 3:44 - 153bpm, 10) 3:44 - 153bpm, 11) 3:40 - 156bpm, 12) 3:39 - 158bpm, 13) 3:34 - 160bpm, 14) 3:31 - 164bpm,
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:03 - 137bpm

    A progression run wasn’t in the plan, but it was the boards monthly challenge, and I thought it would be possible to incorporate that into the 9-mile run that was on the plan. Some of the gaps were bigger than I was aiming for, and this meant I had to exceed the pace range I’ve set for general training runs. Still, I’m sure there was some benefit to the progression, and I wasn’t all that remorseful about going off script.
    It was very windy tonight, and repeatedly running the same 1.2km loop, the wind was frequently changing from a headwind to a tailwind. The effort required to maintain pace shot up when tackling the headwind, then it became hugely beneficial as a tailwind. It was very hard to judge the effort required to keep the progression on track, but the HR stats above tell me I got things right.
    Totals: 1:00 - 15.00km


    Wednesday 10th March
    17km w/ 6 x 10” & 2 x 20” hill sprints & 12km run
    17.00km in 1:19:51, 4:42/km, 131bpm

    Warm-up: 2.39km in 10:55, 4:42/km, 131bpm
    Hill sprints;
    1) 11.0” @ 3:30/km, Max = 3:15/km
    2) 11.2” @ 3:44/km, Max = 2:21/km
    3) 11.5” @ 3:47/km, Max = 2:33/km
    4) 11.0” @ 3:43/km, Max = 2:26/km
    5) 10.9” @ 3:41/km, Max = 2:30/km
    6) 10.4” @ 3:25/km, Max = 2:52/km
    7) 20.2” @ 3:17/km, Max = 2:45/km
    8) 21.0” @ 3:10/km, Max = 2:44/km
    12.02km in 48:14, 4:01/km, 144bpm
    Cool down: 0.57km in 3:00, 129bpm
    I really felt the extra 10 seconds that were added to the 7th and 8th hill sprints. I find it hard to believe I didn’t hit my max speed during those two efforts, but this wasn’t the case according to Garmin Connect. Unlike the 10-second efforts, I felt the 2-minute walking recoveries were in order following the longer sprints.
    The wind was horrible once more, and the way I’d planned my run had left me with 4km of heartbreak running straight into it. It was a huge help when at my back, and enabled me to record my second fastest kilometre split of 3:55 despite it including 11m of climbing. For comparisons sake, when the wind was at its worst, I could only manage a 4:00 kilometre, despite 9m of elevation loss.
    I was delighted to finish is probably the best thing I could say about this run.
    Totals: 1:20 - 17.00km


    Thursday 11th March
    Distance Run - 12km
    12.01km in 50:14, 4:11/km, 140bpm

    Splits;
    Warmup: 1.00km in 4:43
    Kilometres 2-11: 2) 4:00 - 136bpm, 1m elevation, 3) 4:05 - 136bpm, 6m elevation, 4) 4:01 - 137bpm, 5m elevation, 5) 4:02 - 138bpm, -6m elevation, 6) 3:57 - 147bpm, 9m elevation, 7) 4:02 - 144bpm, 2m elevation, 8) 4:11 - 147bpm, -7m elevation, 9) 4:15 - 147bpm, 1m elevation, 10) 4:03 - 147bpm, -17m elevation, 11) 4:07 - 149bpm 3m elevation
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:49
    Just like last night’s run, the bloody wind is my abiding memory of this run. I hadn’t noticed how strong it was blowing until turning into it midway through kilometre 7. It became a real struggle for the next while. I merely detail the net elevation gain and HR for each split to show how hard I was having to work, while still not always bringing things home on target.
    But just like last night, it was another run ticked off, and thankfully I don’t have to deal with wind like today’s on every run.
    Totals: 0:50 - 12.01km

    Run 2 - Distance run 10km
    10.00km in 42:35, 4:15/km, 133bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:52
    Kilometres 2-9: 8.00km in 32:29, 4:04/km, 136bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:07
    I felt I’d been bet up enough on the previous two runs, so I decided not to push the pace below 4:00/km tonight. The wind was still blowing, but nothing like earlier in the day. I wasn’t taking any chances with it though, and stuck to the more sheltered routes I’ve discovered around Tullamore.
    Totals: 0:43 - 10.00km


    Friday 12th March
    Distance Run w/ 6 x (200m strides + 200m jog)
    16.40km in 1:10:44, 4:19/km, 129bpm

    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:49
    12.00km in 49:56, 4:10/km, 130bpm
    Strides;
    1) 39.5” @ 3:18/km, Max = 3:11/km*
    2) 40.0” @ 3:20/km, Max = 3:07/km*
    3) 44.0” @ 3:40/km, Max = 3:26/km†
    4) 42.2” @ 3:31/km, Max = 3:06/km†
    5) 43.6” @ 3:38/km, Max = 3:18/km*
    6) 40.1” @ 3:21/km, Max = 3:05/km†
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:01
    *downhill
    †uphill
    I left this until quite late in the evening, and the modus operandi was to just run and hope for the best once the 1,000m warmup was out of the way. I was a bit slower than I was hoping, and coming towards the end of proceedings, I put in a bit of a dig to unsuccessfully bring the 12km section in at 4:09/km pace. I clearly haven’t my training pace dialled in yet; a sign I’m not as fit as I’d like to be.
    Totals: 1:11 - 16.40km


    Saturday 13th March
    Long Run - 15 miles easy w/ 10min pick-up
    25.03km in 1:40:09, 4:00/km, 142bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:36/km, 119bpm
    Run: 21.00km in 1:23:44, 3:59/km, 142bpm
    10 minute pickup;
    1) 0.66km in 2:30, 3:47/km, 2m gain & 5m loss, 146bpm
    2) 0.67km in 2:31, 3:47/km, 9m gain & 0m loss, 155bpm
    3) 0.67km in 2:30, 3:45/km, 2m gain & 7m loss, 157bpm
    4) 0.69km in 2:35, 3:42/km, 7m gain & 8m loss, 160bpm
    Cool down: 0.35km in 1:46, 5:05/km, 155bpm
    Sorry, but I’m going to bitch about the wind once again; 36.9kph according to Strava. The running gods seemed to be toying with me all week. When I needed the wind’s help the most today, it instead conspired to provide the biggest hinderance it could.
    I managed 21km at 3:59/km, and the first quarter of my 10-minute without over extending myself. It was then though the fun started. I’d broken the 10 minutes into 2½-minute segments, and the targets for each segment were <4:00/km, <3:50/km. <3:40/km, and <3:30/km consecutively.
    I was a bit too fast for the first quarter, but wouldn’t say hitting 3:47/km pace completely derailed things. As long as I went even 1 second per kilometre faster for the next split, I’d have given myself the proverbial slap on the back. A c*ntish drag and the wind put paid to that though. I was running northwards on Tullamore bypass, and the longer I stayed on this road, the more it swung round forcing me into a head on battle with a northwesterly wind. If there was an easy out, I would have taken it, but ploughing on and accepting whatever numbers GPS threw up was the only option.
    Even though it was a very humbling experience, I’d like to think given better circumstances, I’d have hit my target paces for the 10-minute build. There’ll be calmer days with more favourable terrain in future, so time will tell I guess.
    Totals: 1:40 - 25.03km


    Sunday 14th March
    13km Recovery
    13.00km in 1:16:29, 5:53/km, 107bpm
    This was my last run in Tullamore, and I was greeted with a damp, drizzly morning to send me on my way. The strong winds had died down though, so in comparison to the previous few days, it felt like I was leaving a runner’s paradise.
    Totals: 1:16 - 13.00km

    6km Recovery
    6:00km in 36:42, 6:07/km, 108bpm
    My Tullamore odyssey is over, and I came back up to Dublin for the resumption of classroom learning tomorrow. Between doing laundry, packing my car, driving to Dublin, unpacking my car, and whatnot it was nearly 11 p.m. when I was finally ready to begin this run. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t have bothered with it, but I was determined to hit the 90-mile weekly target Magness had set.
    One and a half laps clockwise, and one and a half laps anti-clockwise around my estate saw me meet that target, and in the process log my highest weekly mileage since my halcyon days of 2018.
    Totals: 0:37 - 6.00km



    Weekly Totals
    Running - Time: 10:50, Distance: 144.53km
    Cross training - Time: 1:44
    All virtual cycling
    S & C - Time: 0:00


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Any followers or students of Magness reading this? I‘ve only one week left in the base build, and it feels like what I do in the following few weeks will prove crucial to the success of this project. I wouldn’t mind getting the advice of more knowledgeable posters before proceeding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    dont you have to decide first what your project actually is ?
    so far your running is good and while a 10 k program for you is very good for marathon pb. its not the best thing if you still consider doing an ironman.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    peter kern wrote: »
    dont you have to decide first what your project actually is ?
    so far your running is good and while a 10 k program for you is very good for marathon pb. its not the best thing if you still consider doing an ironman.

    Cancelled races, closed pools, and the bleak outlook for any Ironman happening this year are making the decision for me.

    Right now, I’m just taking things one week at a time, but the longer I stick with this 10,000m plan, the more likely I am to see it out. Following the plan, has given my training a purpose. This had been missing for too long, and I got fed up not really knowing what I was training for. I’m still missing a target race, but it will be a lot easier psych myself up for a virtual 10k, than a virtual triathlon, if that’s what it comes to.

    Like you imply, ultimately, I’d hope that any increased speed I come by over 10km will lead to improvements in my marathon PB. And these 21 weeks could well precipitate a more long term focus on running. It seems my desire to qualify for Kona for the first time was a much stronger motivator than is my desire to return. Also, Kona will always be there, I’m running out of time to improve my ruining PBs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    I see you do at least one run north of 9.30min/miles every 7-10 days, do you feel it benefits you in relation to recovery?

    I have bought the book but have yet to get around to reading it.

    Edit: I’m aware of the benefits of a slow recovery run, just curious to a sub 2.30 marathoners perspective on it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    I hear you Zico. I would LOVE to get over to UL for a swim, just to feel the water. Likely I'll brave the sea before that happens.

    Although in a slower league, I'm on a similar path. 10k plan with a TT then bridge to the marathon. 8 weeks 10k plan then 5 week bridge to start a DCM plan, if its a thing. Have you done a 10k/speed block before a marathon plan before?

    Honestly don't know how you could be focused on triathlon, let alone long distance at this time!

    Do you feel you have unfinished business with the marathon or would you do a plan and be content with the output of whatever you put into it?

    True that Kona will always be there and your competitiveness per age group will always be there too. Running faster only goes so far


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    zico10 wrote: »
    Cancelled races, closed pools, and the bleak outlook for any Ironman happening this year are making the decision for me.

    Right now, I’m just taking things one week at a time, but the longer I stick with this 10,000m plan, the more likely I am to see it out. Following the plan, has given my training a purpose. This had been missing for too long, and I got fed up not really knowing what I was training for. I’m still missing a target race, but it will be a lot easier psych myself up for a virtual 10k, than a virtual triathlon, if that’s what it comes to.

    Like you imply, ultimately, I’d hope that any increased speed I come by over 10km will lead to improvements in my marathon PB. And these 21 weeks could well precipitate a more long term focus on running. It seems my desire to qualify for Kona for the first time was a much stronger motivator than is my desire to return. Also, Kona will always be there, I’m running out of time to improve my ruining PBs.


    i would put my eggs into the running basked and commit to it and follow the 10 k plan through. and then try breaking 2.20 next year .

    the thing is what you need for running ie speed is the opposite for tri where you still need to get better from 120 to 180 k so going from week to week would not be a good idea in my mind . its making a real choice tri or run and i totally agree the run pbs will get out of reach before the tri golas get out of reach.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    OOnegative wrote: »
    I see you do at least one run north of 9.30min/miles every 7-10 days, do you feel it benefits you in relation to recovery?

    I have bought the book but have yet to get around to reading it.

    Edit: I’m aware of the benefits of a slow recovery run, just curious to a sub 2.30 marathoners perspective on it?

    Firstly minutes per mile, seriously? It’s the 21st century. ;)

    I’m not sure if you’re saying that some of my recovery runs are significantly slower than others. If you are, then that’s not planned. When there is a recovery run on the schedule, which is every Sunday morning, I go out at an effort that is barely above walking. These are the only runs on the plan where I don’t concern myself with a target pace. I just ask myself throughout “Could this be easier?” If the answer is “Yes”, I slow down even more.

    I’ve added some midweek recovery runs in the last few weeks to hit the mileage targets in the weekly columns. But I don’t deliberately decide that one recovery run is a slow recovery run and another is just a recovery run. If I go above 6:00/km, it’s usually down to the terrain, underfoot conditions, or as has happened twice recently getting tangled up in bushes.

    To your last point, I don’t think my perspective on them would be any different to anyone else’s. I think if you’re honest with yourself, you should know if you need recovery or not. For me, there’ll be two recovery runs totalling about 20km in this week’s mileage (kilometreage needs to become a word), but that needs to be viewed in the light of a 11 runs totalling 161km. In my case, I think the recovery is certainly warranted, and I look forward to them every Sunday. I’m sure you’ll get a more in-depth explanation as to their benefits in the book, but I just glossed over that part.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    I hear you Zico. I would LOVE to get over to UL for a swim, just to feel the water. Likely I'll brave the sea before that happens.

    Although in a slower league, I'm on a similar path. 10k plan with a TT then bridge to the marathon. 8 weeks 10k plan then 5 week bridge to start a DCM plan, if its a thing. Have you done a 10k/speed block before a marathon plan before?

    Honestly don't know how you could be focused on triathlon, let alone long distance at this time!

    Do you feel you have unfinished business with the marathon or would you do a plan and be content with the output of whatever you put into it?

    True that Kona will always be there and your competitiveness per age group will always be there too. Running faster only goes so far

    I would definitely benefit from pools being open. But to be honest, there's nothing enticing about the Irish Sea right now. It actually suits me that it's outside my 5km radius. I'll wait for a summer heatwave before I consider taking the plunge.

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Whatever league you're in, I imagine getting faster over shorter distances can only benefit one's marathon training. I'm sure there are faster guys than me who've had success with our approach.

    Bar training for marathons, I've never before followed a tailored running plan. So, no, I've never done a 10k/speed block before a marathon plan before. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. I'm not seeing it yet, but with 13 weeks still to go, I do expect to get faster, and if nothing else, I'd be confident of at least bettering my official 10km PB of 33:52. Just hopefully, there's an official race I can do it in. After that, I'll reassess, but whether it's Ironman or marathon I end up training for, the 21 weeks won't have been a waste of time.

    I don't feel like I've any unfinished business in the marathon. I could have paced DCM 2018 far more sensibly, but it's not a regret. It was my goal for a long time to break 2:30, I did that, and if that's my lot, I'll be happy with it. But of course, much always wants more, and I haven't yet accepted that's the best time I'll ever do. With carbon fibre plated soles now in play, something I didn't have in 2018, I'll stubbornly hold onto the belief that my best times can still be broken.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Itziger


    zico10 wrote: »
    Firstly minutes per mile, seriously? It’s the 21st century. ;)

    I’m not sure if you’re saying that some of my recovery runs are significantly slower than others. If you are, then that’s not planned. When there is a recovery run on the schedule, which is every Sunday morning, I go out at an effort that is barely above walking. These are the only runs on the plan where I don’t concern myself with a target pace. I just ask myself throughout “Could this be easier?” If the answer is “Yes”, I slow down even more.

    I’ve added some midweek recovery runs in the last few weeks to hit the mileage targets in the weekly columns. But I don’t deliberately decide that one recovery run is a slow recovery run and another is just a recovery run. If I go above 6:00/km, it’s usually down to the terrain, underfoot conditions, or as has happened twice recently getting tangled up in bushes.

    To your last point, I don’t think my perspective on them would be any different to anyone else’s. I think if you’re honest with yourself, you should know if you need recovery or not. For me, there’ll be two recovery runs totalling about 20km in this week’s mileage (kilometreage needs to become a word), but that needs to be viewed in the light of a 11 runs totalling 161km. In my case, I think the recovery is certainly warranted, and I look forward to them every Sunday. I’m sure you’ll get a more in-depth explanation as to their benefits in the book, but I just glossed over that part.

    This should be reposted every time someone asks about Easy runs. Many of you will probably have seen a YouTube clip of a guy singing the old Easy Days Easy mantra. He says one day he came across an elite female runner walking a small hill and asked her if she was ok (thought she was injured!) When she said she was fine, he asked her why she was walking..... Her response, Today is an easy day, if I run up this hill it's not easy..... I think so many of us are guilty of that mistake. I used to be terrible but I have improved a bit. One answer might be to leave the watch at home altogether and just jig jog away. Although I like Zico's "Could this be easier?" version too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Itziger wrote: »
    This should be reposted every time someone asks about Easy runs. Many of you will probably have seen a YouTube clip of a guy singing the old Easy Days Easy mantra. He says one day he came across an elite female runner walking a small hill and asked her if she was ok (thought she was injured!) When she said she was fine, he asked her why she was walking..... Her response, Today is an easy day, if I run up this hill it's not easy..... I think so many of us are guilty of that mistake. I used to be terrible but I have improved a bit. One answer might be to leave the watch at home altogether and just jig jog away. Although I like Zico's "Could this be easier?" version too.

    I feel I should clarify that I was talking about recovery runs, not easy runs, in the post you quoted. I draw a very clear distinction between the two. When someone takes up running for the first time, frequently asking the question "Could this be easier?" might be useful. But as soon as you pick a target time, you need to think differently about your easy runs. I’d go so far as to say “easy” is a bit of a misnomer, and if you instead think of them as “general aerobic” runs, the term used by Pfitzinger and Douglas, then the necessary shift in mindset happens.

    I recognise “easy” is a subjective term, but it definitely shouldn’t mean “ridiculously easy”, which is what my recovery runs are. For me easy is a pace that is just slower than the 3:48-4:09/km range I target for my normal distance runs. I worked that out from my MP + 10%-20%, as advised by P & D in ‘Advanced Marathoning’. I allow myself a more generous margin for what I would deem an easy run, and add an extra 10% to my MP. So the pace range for my easy runs is between 120-140% of my marathon pace. That works out as 4:09-4:49/km. if I’m north of that, then I work to bring my pace back in range. If that wasn’t easy, then there’d be something seriously amiss.

    And to be honest, following Magness’s 10,000m plan has me wondering how frequently you need to resort to easy running. While recovery runs are a frequent feature of the plan, there are only two complete runs tagged as “easy” in the entire 21 weeks. And one of them is only 2 days before the goal race. It’s a 6-7 mile run, and by then, I’d hope 4:09/km pace for that distance is a piece of p!ss. If it’s not, then I’m in for a world of pain 2 days later.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 15th March
    Long Run w/ 36 minute split tempo
    26.28km in 1:52:08, 4:16/km, 134bpm

    Splits;
    7.54km in 35:00, 4:38/km, 119bpm
    3.43km in 12:01, 3:30/km, 156bpm
    Recovery: 2 minutes walking
    3.54km in 12:03, 3:24/km, 159bpm
    Recovery: 2 minutes walking
    3.48km in 12:00, 3:27/km, 158bpm
    Recovery: 2 minutes walking
    7.72km in 35:00, 4:32/km, 123bpm

    <3:27/km was my target for the tempo sections, but I didn’t want to have to work too hard to hit that pace. The first 12 minutes didn’t go to plan though, and looking for excuses, I decided I was overheating. I took off my base layer during the subsequent 2-minute recovery, and attacked the next 12 minutes with more vigour. This seemed to do the trick, and I got faster during the second effort without having to dig too deep for it. I finished out the third one at my target pace. After the start I had, I remember thinking I’d done well to recuse things.
    Totals: 1:52 - 26.28km


    Tuesday 16th March
    Run 1 - 10km
    10.00km in 43:22, 4:20/km, 137bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 5:17
    Kilometres 2-7: 8.00km in 33:01, 4:07/km, 142bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:02
    While there was nothing remarkable about this run, it was the earliest I got up for a run all year.
    Totals: 0:43 - 10.00km

    Run 2 - 16km
    15.99km in 1:06:05, 4:08/km

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:31
    Kilometres 2-14: 14.00km in 56:31, 4:02/km
    Cool down: 0.99km in 5:03

    The battery in my Garmin Fenix was dead, so I had to use my cycling computer to track the run. It wasn’t really fit for purpose, and was frequently losing satellite signal. I plotted the route on Garmin Connect afterwards, and according to that it robbed me of 0.99km, so I definitely ran much quicker than the 4:02/km I’m reporting above. I knew I was running faster than what my cycling computer was telling me, but just on the off chance it wasn’t, I couldn’t ignore the numbers.
    Totals: 1:06 - 15.99km

    After today’s second run, I drove out to Ashbourne to give blood. It’s been a good few years since I’ve done so, but it’s a habit I want to get back into. There were no overly taxing runs left this week, and with two recovery runs scheduled tomorrow, today was the most suitable day I’ll have in a while to donate.


    Wednesday 17th March
    16km Recovery
    16:01km in 1:30:16, 5:38/km, 117bpm

    Just a regular recovery run; I didn’t know how I’d feel after losing a pint of blood only 12 hours earlier, but I didn’t feel any different to normal.
    Totals: 1:30 - 16.01km

    8km Recovery
    8.05km in 48:44, 5:48/km, 108bpm
    Getting the second daily run done, just like this morning’s run, I felt no ill effects of being short a few red blood cells.
    Totals: 0:49 - 8.05km


    Thursday 18th March
    8km
    8.01km in 32:44, 4:05/km, 133bpm

    Splits;
    Warmup: 1.00km in 4:44
    Kilometres 2-7: 6.00km in 23:42, 3:57/km, 136bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 4:13
    While this was a short run, it was the first one with a small injection of pace since donating blood on Tuesday evening. I’d read one might notice the drop in red blood cells when trying to run faster, but I can’t say I noticed things being any harder than normal to shift through the gears.
    Totals: 0:33 - 8.01km

    Distance Run - 16km w/ 6 x 100m strides
    16.40km in 1:08:51, 4:18/km, 135bpm

    Warm-up: 1.00km in 5:08
    12.50km in 50:44, 4:04/km, 140bpm
    Strides;
    1) 23.3” @ 3:53/km, Max = 3:41/km
    2) 24.2” @ 4:02/km, Max = 3:21/km
    3) 23.7” @ 3:57/km, Max = 3:27/km
    4) 23.3” @ 3:53/km, Max = 3:32/km
    5) 23.2” @ 3:52/km, Max = 3:27/km
    6) 23.4” @ 3:54/km, Max = 3:15/km
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:22
    The strides were done up a slight gradient. I don’t think that’s the only reason for my slower pace than usual. It just wasn’t happening tonight.
    Totals: 1:09 - 16.40km


    Friday 19th March
    10km Run
    10.01km in 42:30, 4:15/km, 133bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 5:23
    Kilometres 2-9: 8.00km in 32:29, 3:59/km, 138bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:09

    Totals: 0:43 - 10.00km

    10km Recovery
    9.85km in 52:47, 5:22/km, 116bpm
    I did this after finishing up in school rather than leaving it until late night, which is a bad habit I’ve let develop. The plan was to do a full 10km, but I got caught at a level crossing with the gates down with only 150m to go. Once the gates were raised and I could carry on, I didn’t think it was worth restarting my watch.
    Totals: 0:53 - 9.85km


    Saturday 20th March
    Long Run - 29km
    29.01km in 1:58:54, 4:06/km, 141bpm

    Splits;
    Warm-up: 1.00km in 4:43, 114bpm
    Run: 27.00km in 1:48:32, 4:01/km, 142bpm
    Cool down: 1.00km in 5:38, 128bpm
    I ran to the Phoenix Park via the Royal Canal Way for the bulk of this run. Once there, I did six loops around the Visitors’ Centre, then retraced my steps back home. I was happy enough with how I ran, and instead of being monotonous, the six reps of the same 3k route made it easier to judge the requisite effort.
    Totals: 1:59 - 29.01km


    Sunday 21st March
    12km Recovery
    12.01km in 1:16:55, 6:24/km, 109bpm
    I only needed to run 12km to make it to 100 miles for the week. So I kept my regular Sunday morning recovery run shorter than usual. I took a path down the Tolka River, a path I must have passed more than a hundred times without ever venturing down. It took me into real wilderness, and at times it was hard to believe I was still in Dublin; and never mind a 5km limit, it was all within a 2km radius of my house. Only it was so rugged and unsuitable for fast running, I’m sure I’d use it a lot more often from here on out.
    Totals: 1:17 - 12.01km



    Weekly Totals
    Running - Time: 12:31, Distance: 161.20km
    Cross training - Time: 0:00
    I found it hard to fit anything else in when running upwards of 12 hours a week.
    S & C - Time: 0:00
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭jlang


    zico10 wrote: »
    I took a path down the Tolka River, a path I must have passed more than a hundred times without ever venturing down.
    I think I know the one. I found it when exploring the 2k zone around this time last year. Both sides of the river from Waterville Park under the hospital to the M50 are muddy now but dry out nicely in the summer. On inside the M50 feels totally isolated from the city around and it's a pity the trail doesn't go on to Ashtown. Part of me wishes the various Tolka Valley parks joined up better but most of me thinks it'd spoil the peace and they should concentrate upgrades on the Canal.


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