Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Larbre34 wrote: »

Heather?

If Varadkar is replaced, it'll be Coveney. It should always have been Coveney.

They dont want Coveney , new leader has to have a gimmick, they've been claiming misogyny at everyone who even asks a question of a female member so next leader has to be female, so Heather is not male,not from a city, not RC, doesn't have a D4 accent and drives an Opel Insignia, next to Varadkar no one else comes close on gimmicks unless Richmond decides to get creative with the garden shears

Johnthemanager wrote: »

So if your arrested for something your automatically guilty?

No you get investigated. If there are grounds you get charged, after which point you may be found guilty or not guilty. In general there is no grounds for doubting the legitimacy of this process.


In fact I have often called for there to be less media presence in criminal matters prior to conviction as I find that trial by media is merely an industry unto itself: interested more in entertainment than justice. I am not sure where you are reading my comment as one that does not upload the legitimacy of our judicial system. My point was that Sinn Fein supports the system only when it suits them.

Johnthemanager wrote: »

Would you also mind putting up a link to Martin ferris conviction for drunk driving, unless of course your lying for a bit of what aboutery?

I seemed to be conflating two separate times Ferris was arrested. One time when he was arrested, in 2002, on suspicion of abduction. The claim from Sinn Fein was that this was electioneering on the part of the Garda (not the first or last time that they would make such a statement). It was significantly later that Ferris was arrested for failing a breathalyzer test which he didn't attack as being politically motivated. I never mentioned conviction for this. He did spend 10 years in jail for another matter, but that's not relevant to this discussion.

James Brown wrote: »

I can't see how anyone can defend or be okay with Leo and what he did because.. others.

I'm not okay with it. I'm not not okay with it either, and it isn't to do with 'others'. I don't care much about it because the contents of the GP contract should have been known to GPs. The way he went about disseminating it was incorrect however. I do not know if it was illegal because I am not a legal expert. I will accept the Garda's position on the matter. Presumably Sinn Fein will only accept it if it is not favorable to Varadkar.

I honestly don't see any merit in anything that Mary Lou has to say on the matter. I know opposition gotta opposition: but empty rhetoric from the benches has actually always got on my nerves, irrespective of who is making the noises.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What's Varadkar's "gimmick"?

Homosexuality I imagine. And Asian.

RandomViewer wrote: »

Verbal diarroea

...and tantrums.

RandomName2 wrote: »

I honestly don't see any merit in anything that Mary Lou has to say on the matter. I know opposition gotta opposition: but empty rhetoric from the benches has actually always got on my nerves, irrespective of who is making the noises.

Just to be clear on this do you think there should be no opposition at all ever no matter who is leading the opposition?

For there is a need for opposition to keep the government in check by highlighting inadequacies in the legislation or having the ministers answer for their decisions such as Varadkar leaking a confidential document to his mate.

I will say though that the lack of respect from successive FF and FG led governments have shown to the Dáil in the way they carry on just running down the clock and avoiding answering the questions has made a mockery of Oireacthas.

Floppybits wrote: »

Just to be clear on this do you think there should be no opposition at all ever no matter who is leading the opposition?

No, it's what I stated.

Empty rhetoric has always got on my nerves.

For years in the Dail, Fine Gael and Labour's response to Fianna Fail was that they weren't doing enough to help the poor and disadvantaged, without actually specifying what changes should be brought about. In response to giveaway budgets they would loudly protest that they weren't giveaway enough.

It becomes a white noise that we are better off filtering out. The fact that the Parliament grants, by definition, the right to speak, does not mean that the utterances merit much discussion.

I've always said that the mark of a proficient opposition is the good faith congratulation of the government on its successes. An opposition that does not put any thought into its arguments, that always goes for the soft objectives, that is not constructive or realistic, is one that wastes the opportunity for meaningful debate.

Juvenile repetitive soundbites about leotheleak is second-rate white noise. What response is that supposed to prompt, 'LouThePoo'? Ffs. Christ I shouldn't be giving FG ideas.

James Brown wrote: »

Let's not get confused here. Varadkar did wrong. He leaked a confidential government document to a pal. These are the facts.

Yes, but imperatively that's not very wrong. Pragmatically or morally.

James Brown wrote: »

If it were illegal or not won't change that.

No that actually does change things, because even if technically what he did wasn't very wrong, it elevates it into something different (specifically something criminal).

James Brown wrote: »

Whether or not you like the ones doing the calling out or why they might be doing it doesn't take away from the fact these issues need looking at.

I don't think you are getting the point I'm making. The problem is that they are not doing what you are suggesting by banging on, on a loop, on and on, about the GP agreement. It addresses no major issues that we currently face as a nation. None. It is a waste of time. The only people doing actual work in relation to the Varadkar leak are journalists and the Garda. SF are exercising their mouths.

James Brown wrote: »

Where would FG be without SF?

Look, I'm putting it to you that the SF poster quality here is garbage. You need to up your game.

What needs to be said here?

The fact that 1986 SF didn't exist for another 53 years after this photo was taken? SF 1986 was a successor to the provisional movement (with IRA of that name) which independently emerged in Northern Ireland. Unless you are suggesting that Gerry Adams used a time machine to go back to the 1930s to convince the Army Comrades Association to join with Cumann na nGaedheal and the National Centre Party and thereby.. reduce the fascistic elements of the ACA?

What am I talking about. This is just the same sort of inane bleating as hashtag leotheleakkkk emoiji emoji

I think you would be better off pointing to Fianna Fail in this regard as DeValera was prone to hanging both fascists and IRA agitators (but where's the difference there, amiright?)

RandomName2 wrote: »

Look, I'm putting it to you that the SF poster quality here is garbage. You need to up your game.

To be fair, they can be entertaining.

Minister Harris wouldn’t last too long in Castlereagh if tomorrow’s Sunday times is anything to go by. Now we know why it’s been upgraded

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Any more details?

Harris has told the guards he was asked to leak the Contract aswell, but refused to do it.

Johnthemanager wrote: »

Harris has told the guards he was asked to leak the Contract aswell, but refused to do it.

Surely that's game over?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Surely that's game over?

Once again Francie.

If it's illegal and he is found guilty its game over, we can all accept that.

Simon was asked and didn't.

Leo did.

Sorry but this doesn't tell us anything we didn't know already.