Spring lamb prices

Green farmer · 12-03-2021 08:14PM

Anyone have any hogget quotes for next week ?

Robson99 · 12-03-2021 08:32PM

Green farmer wrote: »

Anyone have any hogget quotes for next week ?

Seems to be a variance in plants this past week.
Best I heard available in athleague was €7 though heard of other plants paying 20 cent more

Danzy · 12-03-2021 08:56PM

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

Im not seeing much grass growth here at the moment. soil temp was just starting to rise and we had an absolute deluge of rain the past week or so.

Growing backwards here.

Kevhog1988 · 12-03-2021 08:59PM

Danzy wrote: »

Growing backwards here.

Lol is that a good or bad thing?. Never heard the saying growing backwards

Danzy · 12-03-2021 09:38PM

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

Lol is that a good or bad thing?. Never heard the saying growing backwards

Never heard it myself till I typed it.

Today was one of the coldest days I've felt in a long time. 6 degrees on the car dashboard but cutting.

Grass went back this week, especially cover from last year.

kk.man · 12-03-2021 09:45PM

Danzy wrote: »

Never heard it myself till I typed it.

Today was one of the coldest days I've felt in a long time. 6 degrees on the car dashboard but cutting.

Grass went back this week, especially cover from last year.

We just experienced a "fools spring"

March many weathers

Green farmer · 12-03-2021 10:05PM

Danzy wrote: »

Never heard it myself till I typed it.

Today was one of the coldest days I've felt in a long time. 6 degrees on the car dashboard but cutting.

Grass went back this week, especially cover from last year.

Right cold out there atm. However milder from sunday onwards.

paddysdream · 12-03-2021 10:12PM

Green farmer wrote: »

Right cold out there atm. However milder from sunday onwards.

Hope so.Let out 50 ewes with lambs this morning.Not ideal but space was getting tight and next thing would be a heap of trouble.
All were 3/4 days old so shouldn't be a bother on them although its a raw enough night here at the moment.
Lovely day up until about 4pm but then the rain came down and the wind started to rise .
Ones left in the sheds looked cosy though a few minutes ago.

About 50/60 mature ewes left to go here and then ewe lambs after Patricks day for 3 weeks or so.
Grass scarce enough and land getting wet again after all the drying of the last 2 weeks.
Hard to complain as most lambed in ideal weather conditions since end of Feb.

downtown3858 · 14-03-2021 12:14PM

Any prices for hoggets for tomorrow week coming anyone ??

downtown3858 · 14-03-2021 12:15PM

What date does Ramadan start and finish this year also if anyone nos

weatherbyfoxer · 14-03-2021 12:41PM

740 hoggets
750 springs

inc bonus,qa,..etc

really thought springs would start closer to 800 to be honest.

tabby aspreme · 14-03-2021 12:45PM

downtown3858 wrote: »

What date does Ramadan start and finish this year also if anyone nos

12 april-13may

Green farmer · 14-03-2021 12:50PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

12 april-13may

The lamb is eaten at the end of the festival, every house has a celebration feast the day it finishes.

Bass Reeves · 14-03-2021 01:03PM

Green farmer wrote: »

The lamb is eaten at the end of the festival, every house has a celebration feast the day it finishes.

It also earthen at nighttime. During Ramadan Moslems must not eat from sunrise to sunset. It is particularly hard accross Europe when it falls during late spring as daylight hours are very long.

People eat food that is high in slow release energy, lamb is a fatty meat and qualifies as that. You are right about the big feast at the end but you will not survive a 14+ hour day by eating pasta or potatoes in the morning

Albert Johnson · 14-03-2021 09:04PM

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

740 hoggets
750 springs

inc bonus,qa,..etc

really thought springs would start closer to 800 to be honest.

What weight are they paying the spring lamb quote to? I'm assuming they'll only pay to 20kg compared to 23kg for the hoggets. That's pulling the piss tbh, you'd feel a bit of a tool having fed a ewe all year, lambed her and fed the lambs to only get 10c over the hogget quote and be paid for less kilos.

I saw horned hoggets ram's making €170 during the week that were bought at €85 in October. The man that had them looked after them well since but why would anyone bother lambing ewes out of season and try to compete with that for the same money.

orm0nd · 14-03-2021 09:49PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What weight are they paying the spring lamb quote to? I'm assuming they'll only pay to 20kg compared to 23kg for the hoggets. That's pulling the piss tbh, you'd feel a bit of a tool having fed a ewe all year, lambed her and fed the lambs to only get 10c over the hogget quote and be paid for less kilos.

I saw horned hoggets ram's making €170 during the week that were bought at €85 in October. The man that had them looked after them well since but why would anyone bother lambing ewes out of season and try to compete with that for the same money.

gave up lambing early 'cos of the factories , both using imports and using hoggets to downside the price of springs

will be interesting this year ,

weatherbyfoxer · 14-03-2021 10:17PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What weight are they paying the spring lamb quote to? I'm assuming they'll only pay to 20kg compared to 23kg for the hoggets. That's pulling the piss tbh, you'd feel a bit of a tool having fed a ewe all year, lambed her and fed the lambs to only get 10c over the hogget quote and be paid for less kilos.

I saw horned hoggets ram's making €170 during the week that were bought at €85 in October. The man that had them looked after them well since but why would anyone bother lambing ewes out of season and try to compete with that for the same money.

did 2 trials here this year bought 150 hill stores in September average 33kg at €65 each and the other trial was to spong 30 ewes and lamb them the 20th of January...the stores are a great job but definitely wouldn't bother with the earlies ever again

kk.man · 14-03-2021 11:19PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What weight are they paying the spring lamb quote to? I'm assuming they'll only pay to 20kg compared to 23kg for the hoggets. That's pulling the piss tbh, you'd feel a bit of a tool having fed a ewe all year, lambed her and fed the lambs to only get 10c over the hogget quote and be paid for less kilos.

I saw horned hoggets ram's making €170 during the week that were bought at €85 in October. The man that had them looked after them well since but why would anyone bother lambing ewes out of season and try to compete with that for the same money.

I always called early lambing as the winter finishing of the sheep world. I totally agree with you on price as above. Apart from that the early lamber has hardship, huge meal costs, hard weather and alot of grass eaten which is hard recover. They would want to be 8e a kg to justify the hardship alone!

Plus the factories and supermarkets will pawn off hoggets as spring lamb in the next week or so to rub salt.

Bass Reeves · 14-03-2021 11:32PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What weight are they paying the spring lamb quote to? I'm assuming they'll only pay to 20kg compared to 23kg for the hoggets. That's pulling the piss tbh, you'd feel a bit of a tool having fed a ewe all year, lambed her and fed the lambs to only get 10c over the hogget quote and be paid for less kilos.

I saw horned hoggets ram's making €170 during the week that were bought at €85 in October. The man that had them looked after them well since but why would anyone bother lambing ewes out of season and try to compete with that for the same money.

Problem is the lambs would start carrying a lot of fat over 20kgs. Nobody wants fat neat any longer. Hoggets will have bigger frames and will need 23kgs to get a bit of fat on them.

Lambing out o season is similar to winterfinishing a mugs game unless you get a decent contracted price. Having said that 135-140 euro is about 40 euro over the price ten years ago. Beef is no better than ten years ago. Ya if you can pick up hoggets and manage them grand but there is a limited number of hoggets around as a lot of hill farmers changed over to sucklers 10+ years ago. They were the first boys to leave the sheep business

Albert Johnson · 15-03-2021 12:22AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Problem is the lambs would start carrying a lot of fat over 20kgs. Nobody wants fat neat any longer. Hoggets will have bigger frames and will need 23kgs to get a bit of fat on them.

Lambing out o season is similar to winterfinishing a mugs game unless you get a decent contracted price. Having said that 135-140 euro is about 40 euro over the price ten years ago. Beef is no better than ten years ago. Ya if you can pick up hoggets and manage them grand but there is a limited number of hoggets around as a lot of hill farmers changed over to sucklers 10+ years ago. They were the first boys to leave the sheep business

I agree about the fat level on the carcasses but only offering 10c extra which still fails to put the max "new season" lamb price above the hogget price is a bit of an insult imo. As for the sheep quote being ahead of where it was 10 year's ago compared to the beef quote it's akin to saying a kick in the arse is ahead of a poke in the eye.

There's no great shortage of hill type hoggets locally anyway, in poor price year's there's been a surplus if anything. Yes a lot of the poor hill's have been destocked, planted, abandoned ect and few are running the numbers of ewes they once did. However there's not that many men in the greater scheme of things to graze hoggets over winter as there not a good match with other livestock systems as they leave you with little grass in the spring time. Granted most of the hoggets atm would be finished out of the shed but I'd still have them over keeping a ewe, feeding her and the lambs and the associated workload and risk to end up with a fat sheep of similar value from either system.

Bass Reeves · 15-03-2021 01:26AM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I agree about the fat level on the carcasses but only offering 10c extra which still fails to put the max "new season" lamb price above the hogget price is a bit of an insult imo. As for the sheep quote being ahead of where it was 10 year's ago compared to the beef quote it's akin to saying a kick in the arse is ahead of a poke in the eye.

There's no great shortage of hill type hoggets locally anyway, in poor price year's there's been a surplus if anything. Yes a lot of the poor hill's have been destocked, planted, abandoned ect and few are running the numbers of ewes they once did. However there's not that many men in the greater scheme of things to graze hoggets over winter as there not a good match with other livestock systems as they leave you with little grass in the spring time. Granted most of the hoggets atm would be finished out of the shed but I'd still have them over keeping a ewe, feeding her and the lambs and the associated workload and risk to end up with a fat sheep of similar value from either system.

I agree entirely. However it similar to lads finishing cattle in shed to early lamb. But if lads cannot se that so be it. Too many lads like hardship and being technically efficient even if there is a better return elsewhere. But if lads are willing to spong ewes and lamb them down in January wo are we to stop them

Kevhog1988 · 15-03-2021 01:30AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I agree entirely. However it similar to lads finishing cattle in shed to early lamb. But if lads cannot se that so be it. Too many lads like hardship and being technically efficient even if there is a better return elsewhere. But if lads are willing to spong ewes and lamb them down in January wo are we to stop them

I personally think its madness. I had to drive down the country last week before I got that fecking close contact call and the amount of lambs cowering under hedges freezing. I rather lambs coming when I've grass and a bit of light in the evenings

kk.man · 15-03-2021 03:33PM

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

I personally think its madness. I had to drive down the country last week before I got that fecking close contact call and the amount of lambs cowering under hedges freezing. I rather lambs coming when I've grass and a bit of light in the evenings

Where I do see a method to the madness is where there is a large flock of sheep on the farm (mostly sheep only) and it splits the labour of lambing.

Dickie10 · 16-03-2021 12:59AM

in that case i would go for mid februaury lambing and early april. april can be a lovely time to lamb. bright til almost 9pm , if you get decent weather its a dream 24 hrs in then out or even out al the time.

OneMan37 · 17-03-2021 10:09PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

in that case i would go for mid februaury lambing and early april. april can be a lovely time to lamb. bright til almost 9pm , if you get decent weather its a dream 24 hrs in then out or even out al the time.

Agree, my dad used to lamb in Feb/March, then one year a ram didn't work and he ended up with April lambs. Lambing was in nice pleasant weather and the lambs made as much as March lambs with less meal costs. I like April lambing.

k mac · 18-03-2021 12:10PM

How much do deductions per head usually come to (excluding transport) when killing in the factory. Debating whether to sell a few at home or bring to the factory

paddysdream · 18-03-2021 03:28PM

k mac wrote: »

How much do deductions per head usually come to (excluding transport) when killing in the factory. Debating whether to sell a few at home or bring to the factory

82 cent per lamb.

That's 50c Dept. Of Ag. levy ,25c Bord Bia levy and 7c Sheep Ireland levy .

Clipping charges seem to have gone out of vogue (well for me anyways as nothing about it this year).Think the first two are compulsory but the Sheep Ireland one is processor dependent .Go to one place a few times a year and its not on the deductions .To be fair its been most likely about 18 months ago since I was there so perhaps it may have changed since.

All above is for lambs.Ewes will have SRM and Scrapie charge .

k mac · 18-03-2021 03:36PM

paddysdream wrote: »

82 cent per lamb.

That's 50c Dept. Of Ag. levy ,25c Bord Bia levy and 7c Sheep Ireland levy .

Clipping charges seem to have gone out of vogue (well for me anyways as nothing about it this year).Think the first two are compulsory but the Sheep Ireland one is processor dependent .Go to one place a few times a year and its not on the deductions .To be fair its been most likely about 18 months ago since I was there so perhaps it may have changed since.

All above is for lambs.Ewes will have SRM and Scrapie charge .

Thanks so would be talking under a euro each for hoggets.

downtown3858 · 19-03-2021 10:11PM

Anyone any deadweight prices for next week?

k mac · 20-03-2021 11:42AM

What would a fair price be for hoggets average 48kg selling to a friend so don't want to go too hard on him

Spring lamb prices

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