Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward

The White Wolf · 12-03-2021 10:21PM

senordingdong wrote: »

I want to watch bvs ultimate edition beforehand.
Does anybody know if it's on any digital platforms?
I really don't want to buy a dvd.

Ultimate edition can be purchased on google Film. That's where I got it anyway.

CramCycle · 13-03-2021 12:23AM

Is there much of a difference between cuts (in regards BVsS). Ive seen a load of youtube cuts (for the ending) that do a better job than the theatrical version so wondering is there any benefit to watching it.

The White Wolf · 13-03-2021 12:47AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Is there much of a difference between cuts (in regards BVsS). Ive seen a load of youtube cuts (for the ending) that do a better job than the theatrical version so wondering is there any benefit to watching it.

Even as a Batman fan primarily I was annoyed at Superman's non existence in the theatrical cut of BvS. The UC goes a long way to rectify that.

kerplun k · 13-03-2021 10:50AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Is there much of a difference between cuts (in regards BVsS). Ive seen a load of youtube cuts (for the ending) that do a better job than the theatrical version so wondering is there any benefit to watching it.

I liked the BvS extended cut a lot more than the theatrical release. I understood more why there was tension between Clark and Bruce, I actually thought the whole plot was a lot less muddled. If you didn’t hate BvS it’s worth watching IMO.

The White Wolf · 14-03-2021 06:02PM

Social media embargo ends today. Going to be a long couple of days for those who are interested in what Snyder's been doing with these characters.

EoinMcLovin · 14-03-2021 07:56PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdQSAX2kyw

Headshot · 14-03-2021 09:17PM

So as this will be on Now Tv Sky Cinema, in theory we could use the free pass to watch this and just cancel there after?

senordingdong · 14-03-2021 10:37PM

pixelburp wrote: »

I expect the return of the Knightmare setting to blow the pacing out of the water though

I've been giving knightmare alot of thought and I can only presume that it fits in as being

a full circle wrap of the scene that started in bvs. Bruce has dreams, which could actually be visions, of a post apocalyptic earth, dominated by a despot alien. In bvs he presumed it was superman but in ZSJL he realises his visions were of darkseids conquest.
Bruce woke to Barry sending a message back in time to him, and in one of the newer trailers, I think I saw the same, bearded Barry standing behind batman.

That's just my guess as to how it fits, I don't believe it'll be just shoe horned in.

Drumpot · 14-03-2021 10:49PM

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdQSAX2kyw

That actually looks amazing. No way it’s gonna be as good as that trailer but I can’t wait. In fairness I’ve been looking forward to this for awhile, not expecting a lot, prob Shouldn't of watched that, my expectations have jumped at least 50%!!!

ManOfMystery · 15-03-2021 09:55AM

El Duda wrote: »

Does anyone actually think this is going to be good?

The social media reactions have been very good so far. Of course, that's often meaningless (WW84 got great initial reactions and was far from being a great film) but now and again, they do get it right.

My thoughts from the start have generally been - 1) It can't be any worse than the theatrical release of JL, which was a disjointed, mis-toned and awkward mess of a film ........... and 2) at least this film will be the work of its original Director as he envisioned it. Not some hybrid one spliced together from the very different visions and methods of two directors. It's akin to an artist starting a painting and another with a very different methodology finishing it.

CramCycle wrote: »

Is there much of a difference between cuts (in regards BVsS). Ive seen a load of youtube cuts (for the ending) that do a better job than the theatrical version so wondering is there any benefit to watching it.

I was one of those who liked the BvS theatrical release, but I much preferred the extended edition. There are some jarring cuts in the original film between scenes and locations and the extended one goes some way to fleshing out these scenes and smoothing the transitions. It also has more expository dialogue so you get a better feel for what's going on and the motivations at work. Overall, it feel smoother and more coherent.

pixelburp · 15-03-2021 09:58AM

Social media reactions for anything aren't worth the paper they're printed on. No more than those glowing first reviews you'd have seen after Premieres, noname blogs gushing cos they got a free ticket for something.

Penn · 15-03-2021 12:52PM

Watched both Man of Steel and BvS Ultimate over the weekend. MoS is still a decent movie. Loses its way in the last act but overall it's enjoyable and the performances are great.

BvS though, there's just so much wrong with it. Some parts and ideas are great, but the execution is just horrendous.

Still though, the trailers for ZSJL look great, and the film can hardly be worse than the Whedon version, so fingers crossed.

senordingdong · 15-03-2021 12:57PM

I always felt the biggest issue with bvs and jwjl was that way too much was crammed in.
The running time of ZSJL should do the story justice.

Penn · 15-03-2021 01:12PM

senordingdong wrote: »

I always felt the biggest issue with bvs and jwjl was that way too much was crammed in.
The running time of ZSJL should do the story justice.

I still maintain that BvS feels like it started off as MoS2 (Superman, Lex, Doomsday, Lois tracking down the bullet), then it became BvS so Batman was added into it, then it had to become BvS Dawn of Justice so WW and the setup for Justice League was all added into it. But each time they added stuff in, they never took anything out (I still have no idea why the side story of Lois and the bullet is in the movie. It leads to nothing except just giving Amy Adams something to do).

senordingdong · 15-03-2021 01:43PM

Penn wrote: »

I still maintain that BvS feels like it started off as MoS2 (Superman, Lex, Doomsday, Lois tracking down the bullet), then it became BvS so Batman was added into it, then it had to become BvS Dawn of Justice so WW and the setup for Justice League was all added into it. But each time they added stuff in, they never took anything out (I still have no idea why the side story of Lois and the bullet is in the movie. It leads to nothing except just giving Amy Adams something to do).

Agreed, there should have been more movies. A standalone Batfleck movie, where Bruce meets Diana, witnesses the destruction in metropolis and shows us the death of Robin by Jared letos joker would have been a great segway into bvs.

techdiver · 15-03-2021 04:07PM

Reviews starting to drop:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-review

senordingdong · 15-03-2021 04:13PM

techdiver wrote: »

Reviews starting to drop:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-review

I like his use of the word preposterous.
It's everything I want from a four hour film.

techdiver · 15-03-2021 04:17PM

I done a scan of a few reviews. From a completely unscientific point of view, it looks to me like it is being more favourably reviewed than any of his previous movies.

A few "meh" reviews but a lot of decent ones.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zack_snyders_justice_league/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

EDIT: Of course I've always noticed review scores start out better than they finish.

senordingdong · 15-03-2021 04:19PM

techdiver wrote: »

I done a scan of a few reviews. From a completely unscientific point of view, it looks to me like it is being more favourably reviewed than any of his previous movies.

A few "meh" reviews but a lot of decent ones.

It's a tough one, as was said here the run time and lore heavy story will put alot of casual viewers off. But those of us that really want to see it will be biased.

techdiver · 15-03-2021 04:23PM

I'd say it'll end up just as polarising as his other works. It's the nature of his style.

What is of note is that even some of the bad reviews admit it's better than the theatrical version, so at least there is that (not that it would be difficult).

FunLover18 · 15-03-2021 04:27PM

techdiver wrote: »

Reviews starting to drop:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-review

It doesn't read like a four star review.

techdiver · 15-03-2021 04:28PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

It doesn't read like a four star review.

I think he is aware of it's flaws but enjoys it none the less. At least that's what I got from it.

ThePott · 15-03-2021 05:01PM

The reviews are odd seems like quite a few negative nitpicks but decent scores probably points to an indulgent movie with a satisfying ending at least. I reckon when all is said and done it will probably have a reaction closer to Man of Steel than BvS at least.

Also a slightly minor nitpick is that I don't care for positive reviews that just say it's better than the 2017 cut, I don't care about that and would assume it is, I just want to know if it's good on it's on merits.

kerplun k · 15-03-2021 05:45PM

I’d wonder how many of the reviewers are compromised at this stage and are just rooting for ZS. I know I am.

I guess this is just me being cynical. I’m sure it’s getting the reviews it deserves. I’m genuinely excited to see this now.

techdiver · 15-03-2021 06:13PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I’d wonder how many of the reviewers are compromised at this stage and are just rooting for ZS. I know I am.

I guess this is just me being cynical. I’m sure it’s getting the reviews it deserves. I’m genuinely excited to see this now.

I'm probably biased too as I want it to be good and I really like MOS and BvS UC, but I'm wondering is the existence of the theatrical cut and it being so bad working in Snyder's favour here? The reviewers, with all the best intentions, will on some level be comparing it to the theatrical cut and it might score higher because of this?

Either way I've always been a believer of judging a movie yourself and take reviews with a grain of salt (within reason), so I'll not let reviews sway me one way or another.

The White Wolf · 15-03-2021 09:28PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I’d wonder how many of the reviewers are compromised at this stage and are just rooting for ZS. I know I am.

I guess this is just me being cynical. I’m sure it’s getting the reviews it deserves. I’m genuinely excited to see this now.

The initial reviews I could see being compromised, but when the likes of The Guardian and Variety are giving the film favourable reviews it's fair to say the good reviews are on merit.

I mean there's plenty of "critics" still with a bone to pick with Snyder. The likes of Collider and John Campea gave negative reviews so the pendulum has by no means swung in Snyder's favour from where it was.

recyclops · 15-03-2021 10:30PM

Just watched ultimate edition on my xbox 4 quid to rent it from the store was actually impressed using the service.

I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would, hadn't returned to BvS since initial viewing in the cinema. Now I am pumped for Thursday.

dublinman1990 · 16-03-2021 03:58AM

Just on BvS UE. There will be a new 4K remastered copy of this movie being released on 4K UHD Blu-ray & on Digital stores here sometime in late April. This version of the movie is also being released on HBO Max from Thursday. It will include remastered IMAX scenes & expanded colour space. The movie's AR will upped to 2:39:1. If you have this film in either iTunes/Google Play; I am not sure if this film is being sold seperately on Digital or not. It might be a good idea for you to see if these stores can either update it to the new version in your digital libraries for free by then.

ManOfMystery · 16-03-2021 09:26AM

Read quite a few reviews last night for ZSJL and whilst there's the odd negative one and they do make it clear that the film is an extremely stylised piece of work (thus not for everyone - as you would expect from Snyder), for the most part they seem overwhelmingly positive so far.

techdiver · 16-03-2021 10:10AM

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Read quite a few reviews last night for ZSJL and whilst there's the odd negative one and they do make it clear that the film is an extremely stylised piece of work (thus not for everyone - as you would expect from Snyder), for the most part they seem overwhelmingly positive so far.

Seems to be way more positive and less mixed than either MOS and BvS. The runtime allows for proper fleshing out of characters it seems and I've read many times that even though it is 4 hours it flows organically.

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