Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

12-03-2021 09:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

An ocean of alcohol - Alcohol Action Ireland
But consumption is down 6% on the previous year - Alcohol Action Ireland

As I've said before one of the greatest things about this thread is the hyperbole.

People claiming they'll never enter a pub again out of protest.
People calling MUP probation.
People saying they will never vote for so and so again.

But it seems like AAI are getting in on the fun with this "Oceans of alcohol" stuff.
Seriously like.

dubrov · 13-03-2021 12:56AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

People claiming they'll never enter a pub again out of protest. People calling MUP probation. People saying they will never vote for so and so again.

If the three above, the third one is realistic

Atlantic Dawn · 13-03-2021 01:06AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Love that a 6% reduction in consumption is called marginal

If consumption increase 6% I don't think Eunan McKinney would be calling that marginal

If the economy contracted by 6% we would be in massive recession.

Yellow_Fern · 13-03-2021 01:13AM

L1011 wrote: »

Is it published by Gript, just hosted by them or just linked from there?

Gript do not deserve any clicks or listens.

Why not?

redarmyblues · 13-03-2021 10:16AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Why not?

They occupy that funny Venn diagram where anti-vaxxing, anti-masking and rosary beads intersect in Irish.

Yellow_Fern · 13-03-2021 09:30PM

redarmyblues wrote: »

They occupy that funny Venn diagram where anti-vaxxing, anti-masking and rosary beads intersect in Irish.

You are completely wrong. Here are three articles chiding the Government for vaccinating too slowly, 1, 2 and 3. They are also pro mask, sure they were promoting masks in March 2020 when the Gov was not just advising against masks but even advising doctors not to wear them. They also have been covering minimum unit pricing and vaping very fairly and I urge you to shed your bias against them.

Suckit · 13-03-2021 10:21PM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

You are completely wrong. Here are three articles chiding the Government for vaccinating too slowly, 1, 2 and 3. They are also pro mask, sure they were promoting masks in March 2020 when the Gov was not just advising against masks but even advising doctors not to wear them. They also have been covering minimum unit pricing and vaping very fairly and I urge you to shed your bias against them.

I doubt anybody in this thread gives a single toss about that.

Best mention it over there

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Capt'n Midnight · 13-03-2021 11:40PM

People can no longer binge drink all night in crowded pubs.
They are forced to buy cheaper supermarket alcohol instead.

And consumption has dropped by 6%.

VinLieger · 15-03-2021 09:33AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A lot of denial in Ireland as to the country's alcohol problems.

Happy to see the fall and hopefully it's part of a cultural change.

The cultural change started happening in the mid noughties when our consumption began dropping and has continued to do so year over year since then. Its just many people like yourself who don't think people should be allowed enjoy themselves in the freedom of their own homes have an agenda they have based their careers on that still needs to be pushed.

hatrickpatrick · 15-03-2021 10:54AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Pointing out Ireland has serious alcohol issues make you a zealot? ha

It's true.

Of course it doesn't. Pushing to change it through coercive social engineering, on the other hand, absolutely does.

15-03-2021 11:07AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

People can no longer binge drink all night in crowded pubs.
They are forced to buy cheaper supermarket alcohol instead.

And consumption has dropped by 6%.

Im fond of the odd tipple myself, but even before covid I was frequenting the pub less frequently. Most of my friends would say the same. The cost, and the noise, are less appealing than they once were.

VinLieger · 15-03-2021 11:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Im fond of the odd tipple myself, but even before covid I was frequenting the pub less frequently. Most of my friends would say the same. The cost, and the noise, are less appealing than they once were.

Exactly which is why publicans lobbied HEAVILY for MUP

c.p.w.g.w · 15-03-2021 02:07PM

Anecdotal alert...

Myself and my brother have pretty much reduced our alcohol consumption to zero over the last 6 months(brother is probably 16 months)...

Most of my mates have reduced the amount of booze they drink since March 2020, but might drink 2-3 times a week at home now, but less than they would have consumed on typical Saturday night out...

The one thing the government should be doing instead of minimum pricing is curtailing advertising of booze...know a few people who are alcoholics(in early stages of recovery) and they find the consent booze adverts too much

dubrov · 15-03-2021 03:35PM

Booze (and gambling) advertising is a difficult one.
So much of it is tied up in sport advertising.

If you pull the plug a lot of local clubs would lose a lot of funding which would be a political disaster.

Personally I feel it would be much more effective than MUP and allows people to make their own choice.

Look at cigarettes. The price went up year after year with no impact on consumption. Only when advertising was banned did the numbers start to fall.

brightspark · 15-03-2021 07:12PM

VinLieger wrote: »

The cultural change started happening in the mid noughties

Publicans started to kill the golden goose in the last days of 1999 when they thought that they could charge significantly higher prices for the millennium new year's eve night.
Many people decided to have their own parties at home that year and realised that they could have as good a time at home as in a pub for a fraction of the cost.

Price increases in the following years didn't help them either.

15-03-2021 07:14PM

VinLieger wrote: »

The cultural change started happening in the mid noughties when our consumption began dropping and has continued to do so year over year since then. Its just many people like yourself who don't think people should be allowed enjoy themselves in the freedom of their own homes have an agenda they have based their careers on that still needs to be pushed.

Hyperbole alert.

KrustyUCC · 15-03-2021 10:36PM

Govt seeks to move sooner on banning cheap alcohol sales

It is understood that Junior Minister with responsibility for public health Frank Feighan does not want to wait another year to introduce the measures.

He will hold discussions with stakeholders including publicans and off-licences on moving sooner.

The Programme for Government committed to implementing minimum unit pricing in consultation with Northern Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0315/1204194-alcohol-pricing-ireland/

What bloody idiots

Wanting to move ahead of Northern Ireland and in the middle of a pandemic

Cross border shopping will really increase and this move is going to piss off people more who are being required to stay home for months on end

No sign of hospitality for over half of year and now the government want to increase price on our already very costly alcohol

cadaliac · 16-03-2021 08:12AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Govt seeks to move sooner on banning cheap alcohol sales

It is understood that Junior Minister with responsibility for public health Frank Feighan does not want to wait another year to introduce the measures.

He will hold discussions with stakeholders including publicans and off-licences on moving sooner.

The Programme for Government committed to implementing minimum unit pricing in consultation with Northern Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0315/1204194-alcohol-pricing-ireland/

What bloody idiots

Wanting to move ahead of Northern Ireland and in the middle of a pandemic

Cross border shopping will really increase and this move is going to piss off people more who are being required to stay home for months on end

No sign of hospitality for over half of year and now the government want to increase price on our already very costly alcohol

That is really punishing everyone for the actions of a few.
Cannot see that going ahead without serious backlash

listermint · 16-03-2021 08:17AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Hyperbole alert.

It's not hyperbole. Your coming after people's pockets with a smile . It's only a few more years and you'll be inside their front doors.

VinLieger · 16-03-2021 09:13AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Hyperbole alert.

Ohh really?

Heres the vintners claiming it was dangerous to drink at home all the way back 2007, 2 years into the 15 years of year over year decline of per person alcohol consumption.

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/learning/vintners-issue-warning-to-home-binge-drinkers-26311458.html

"In pubs we can control the amount that someone drinks. We have spirit measures that we must abide by and we can also refuse people more alcohol if they get too drunk", said VFI spokesperson Paul Bell.
"But with the low cost of alcohol, drinking in the home before going to the pub has become a trend. It's very dangerous because people are pouring their own spirit measures and drinking more than they can handle.
"It also means that alcohol can be abused more freely. In a pub you have to make sure that everyone is over--age. But if an older friend buys drink for someone underage in an off-licence or supermarket there is no-one there to catch them.

Ive never seen or heard of someone being refused a drink unless they were literally incapable of standing or verbally ordering another drink in Ireland.

Also they seem to be inferring some kind of medical doctor level of training on bartenders who are incredibly able to gauge at a glance how much booze a person can handle as well as being specially trained to pour measures of booze...... which also they seem to imply isn't possible to do correctly outside of pubs?

Thelonious Monk · 16-03-2021 10:16AM

cadaliac wrote: »

That is really punishing everyone for the actions of a few.
Cannot see that going ahead without serious backlash

There'll be no backlash, we'll just accept it. And they wont stop with these measures. Sigh.

KrustyUCC · 16-03-2021 12:44PM

Minister calls for people to toast St Patrick with water instead of alcohol

Minister of State Patrick O’Donovan has called for curbs on the sale of alcohol and for people to “drown the shamrock” with water on St Patrick’s Day.

St Patrick’s Day was a day for the garden, to work outside the house, to “steer away from alcohol. It’s not a day to see the virus creep into houses and take off,” he warned.

“I think 12 months on from the pubs being closed we saw what happened with the uncontrolled sale of alcohol - pictures from Limerick two weeks ago, that's not the only place we saw, funerals all over the place just let go totally unregulated - we saw people that died as a result of attendance at funerals.

"In counties up and down the country there have been some scandalous scenes. I hope that I'm not on your show next week saying look at what happened on St Patrick's Day.

“It's a minority that's doing this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40245254.html

Thanks Minister but I can have a few drinks in the comfort of my own home on any day I choose

Nice to see he acknowledges it's a minority taking the mick but sure lets punish the majority of people anyway using their example

odyssey06 · 16-03-2021 02:16PM

Playing devil's advocate here...

Alcohol consumption went down during lockdown with hospitality shutdown.
Has anyone called for this to continue?

It seems immediately effective, far more so than MUP.
So if alcohol is the scourge it is made out to be we have to keep hospitality shutdown and bin MUP!

ohnonotgmail · 16-03-2021 02:29PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here...

Alcohol consumption went down during lockdown with hospitality shutdown.
Has anyone called for this to continue?

It seems immediately effective, far more so than MUP.
So if alcohol is the scourge it is made out to be we have to keep hospitality shutdown and bin MUP!

i know you are saying this in jest but don't be giving them ideas.

elperello · 16-03-2021 02:49PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There'll be no backlash, we'll just accept it. And they wont stop with these measures. Sigh.

Indeed it is difficult to see how there could be a backlash in political terms given that all the parties in Dail Eireann are in favour of MUP.

They have acted against the interests of of a large part of the law abiding population in enacting these measures.

People are being backed into a corner by politicians who think they know what's good for their constituents.

It's never a good move to disenfranchise citizens on an issue and leave them with a feeling of being taken advantage of.

I won't forget it and will never accept it.

Amirani · 16-03-2021 03:35PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here...

Alcohol consumption went down during lockdown with hospitality shutdown.
Has anyone called for this to continue?

It seems immediately effective, far more so than MUP.
So if alcohol is the scourge it is made out to be we have to keep hospitality shutdown and bin MUP!

Certainly makes a mockery of "only pubs can properly stop people from abusing alcohol" / "drinking at home is much more dangerous" stick that publicans and a certain cohort of politicians constantly come out with.

The past year has shown that people will generally drink less at home if left to their own devices.

odyssey06 · 16-03-2021 03:43PM

Amirani wrote: »

Certainly makes a mockery of "only pubs can properly stop people from abusing alcohol" / "drinking at home is much more dangerous" stick that publicans and a certain cohort of politicians constantly come out with.
The past year has shown that people will generally drink less at home if left to their own devices.

Yes, exactly, that was the intent of my slightly mocking post to highlight how thoroughly discredited that notion is

ablelocks · 16-03-2021 04:06PM

i haven't read too much about this, basically ignoring it till it goes away was my attitude

but an article in the sunday times gave some specific examples of how it will affect prices (the bit in bold is my bold)

In Scotland the cheapest 700ml bottle of vodka typically sold at €12.80 until 2018 when MUP pushed it up to €16.30. Under the proposed Irish regime a 500ml can of Devils Bit Cider (6 per cent alcohol by volume) would have a MUP of €2.40; it is currently on sale in SuperValu for €1.89. A 700ml bottle of Absolut Vodka (40 per cent) would have a minimum price of €22.40; it is currently selling in Tesco for €21. Most branded beers and wines would remain unaffected however.

presumably the journalist was talking about RRP prices and not sale prices? As in, there'll be no more sub €23ish sales on spirits?

dubrov · 16-03-2021 05:01PM

ablelocks wrote: »

i haven't read too much about this, basically ignoring it till it goes away was my attitude

but an article in the sunday times gave some specific examples of how it will affect prices (the bit in bold is my bold)

presumably the journalist was talking about RRP prices and not sale prices? As in, there'll be no more sub €23ish sales on spirits?

I think it is trying to say that fancier beers and wines would be already above the MUP so would not change price.

Even if this was true (and in many cases it is not), if the cheapest beer is 2.40 Euro a can, the fancier stuff will increase in price as people will be willing to pay more for those beers.

ShyMets · 16-03-2021 05:19PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here...

Alcohol consumption went down during lockdown with hospitality shutdown.
Has anyone called for this to continue?

It seems immediately effective, far more so than MUP.
So if alcohol is the scourge it is made out to be we have to keep hospitality shutdown and bin MUP!

I suspect a certain frog would be all for that. Please don't give them any ideas

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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