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>2017 2 litre 50+mpg under £15Kstg

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  • #62
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭kirving


    Greenlights16 wrote: »
    As a general rule of thumb, with a plug in hybrid version of any of these cars, is the MPG terrible after the electric range is gone?

    Have read on reviews that once you get your 20/30km electric range out of them, MPG suffers moreso than it would with the standard diesel. And if you drive around with the battery flat it doesn't make for great reading either...

    I recently swapped from a Merc E300 (Diesel Hybrid) to a 330e (Petrol PHEV) and my fuel consumption has increased by about 10% in l/100km terms.

    I'm doing a little more suburban mileage in the BMW which accounts for some of that. I don't plug it in half as much as I could/should either.

    An empty PHEV, accelerating around town will be worse than the equivalent petrol, and worse again than a diesel. Not catastrophic by any means, and plugging in at normal rates give the potential of 50% savings, or 75% savings at night rate.


  • #63
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    vectra wrote: »
    It was a 152,
    I dont have it anymore.
    Was a highline with added Businness edition and Sportpack.
    Bought it new and changed it to the Mondeo in 2017.

    Great stuff, never looked at the Mondeo's much at all now to be honest.


  • #64
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Greenlights16 wrote: »
    And is it an SE or what? Not an AMG I’m guessing! Thanks . I’m looking at 2017 up in the 220

    It’s the AMG. I think the car styling really benefits from the body kit.


  • #65
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Greenlights16 wrote: »
    Great stuff, never looked at the Mondeo's much at all now to be honest.

    Mondeo was an st line x 2.0 150bhp diesel.
    Has to be one of the most comfortable cars I ever owned.
    You would get 50+ on 100kmh roads,
    Hit the motorway and you would see mid 40's


  • #66
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s the AMG. I think the car styling really benefits from the body kit.

    Agreed. They do look very standard when not AMG.


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  • #67
    Zurbaran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Does a Lexus GS 300 come into your price range? Can’t remember if it’s been mentioned. Should do over 45 mpg and more reliable than anything else.


  • #68
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    Zurbaran wrote: »
    Does a Lexus GS 300 come into your price range? Can’t remember if it’s been mentioned. Should do over 45 mpg and more reliable than anything else.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101158020606

    Cheapest one I could find, only one more under £16K post 2017.

    Never driven one , not familiar with the CVT either. I assume it runs very much like a Toyota ?


  • #69
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,547 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Greenlights16 wrote: »
    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101158020606

    Cheapest one I could find, only one more under £16K post 2017.

    Never driven one , not familiar with the CVT either. I assume it runs very much like a Toyota ?

    Very similar to a Rav4 hybrid or IS300h in terms of gearbox.


  • #70
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Great cars but that cvt box is awful and let's it down terribly.


  • #71
    Zurbaran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Greenlights16 wrote: »
    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101158020606

    Cheapest one I could find, only one more under £16K post 2017.

    Never driven one , not familiar with the CVT either. I assume it runs very much like a Toyota ?

    It would yes. I have the older version with the bigger v6 engine hybrid system. I’ve driven the IS300h which is the same engine and it was as smooth as you like, they do get a little bit strange sound wise if you plant the right foot and this is what reviewers complain about with the cvt.

    It must be said though that cvt’s have improved greatly over the years. Toyotas ones up until the new Corolla have been terrible. They just aren’t suited to sporty driving so when a reviewer gets one that seems to be their issue. Owners reviews are completely different as most who buy a Lexus aren’t bothered about sporty driving so they love the cvt.

    In the real world if you drive normally they are more relaxed than a diesel or petrol.


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  • #72
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    Is300h a lovely car


  • #73
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    Got the golf sold anyway.

    Watching 3/4 types of cars on the BCA auctions these days, even better value than what’s on auto trader UK.

    Can pick up an A6 at good money, but will pay an extra £1500-2000 for an S line which I think would be best for selling on, although I’m not sure about comfort.

    The Merc E class & C220Ds, have went off them. Unless they’re an AMG they’re very standard, and I don’t want a car with 18/19inch alloys taking on more road noise in an AMG.

    BMW 5 series appears to be the most expensive whether its auto trader or BCA, would have to cross the £15K mark to pick up a decent one which I’m not sure I’m prepared to having never previously owned a BMW. 3 series Efficient dynamics version can be picked up worth the money.


  • #74
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Think you're edging towards a6 so. You've come up with reasons to talk yourself out of getting the merc and BMW.

    You won't be disappointed in the audi, so if you like it go for it. At least you can focus the search if you do. Can be tough when you've 2 or more different cars in mind. I've been there, probably still am at the moment, very similar shortlist to yourself


  • #75
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    Buddy Bubs wrote: »
    Think you're edging towards a6 so. You've come up with reasons to talk yourself out of getting the merc and BMW.

    You won't be disappointed in the audi, so if you like it go for it. At least you can focus the search if you do. Can be tough when you've 2 or more different cars in mind. I've been there, probably still am at the moment, very similar shortlist to yourself

    Anything else you’re looking at? I’m always tempted by an SUV simply just because they’re higher up and I feel the vision is very good, bumps in the road less noticeable etc but then the mpg returns aren’t there really...

    Prepared to go a couple of £K higher for something


  • #76
    AMKC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Buddy Bubs wrote: »
    Think you're edging towards a6 so. You've come up with reasons to talk yourself out of getting the merc and BMW.

    You won't be disappointed in the audi, so if you like it go for it. At least you can focus the search if you do. Can be tough when you've 2 or more different cars in mind. I've been there, probably still am at the moment, very similar shortlist to yourself

    You won't be disappointed in the audi.

    Lol that is the funniest thing I have ever seen typed in here lol. Thanks for the laugh.

    You won't be disappointed in the Audi lol.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #77
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    AMKC wrote: »
    You won't be disappointed in the audi.

    Lol that is the funniest thing I have ever seen typed in here lol. Thanks for the laugh.

    You won't be disappointed in the Audi lol.

    :confused: :eek: shots fired

    What is it you don’t like about them? All opinions welcome


  • #78
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    Bit of a curveball for you if you can suffer a little on the fuel economy side to reap benefits on the reliability side id suggest a lexus is300h. I have one with almost 3 years and its a superb car. Mine is an older 132 plate and no issues with battery longevity. The 2.5 petrol engine is uber reliable. I've done 50k miles in mine since getting it and my only spending has been standard servicing and tyres. The brakes last forever due to the regenerative braking. If you get a good spec they are very comfortable. Your mixed driving will return 45mpg at worst in my experience. For the sake of 5mpg you'll save a lot over German diesel cars in repairs.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-is300h/27039058


  • #79
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    almostover wrote: »
    Bit of a curveball for you if you can suffer a little on the fuel economy side to reap benefits on the reliability side id suggest a lexus is300h. I have one with almost 3 years and its a superb car. Mine is an older 132 plate and no issues with battery longevity. The 2.5 petrol engine is uber reliable. I've done 50k miles in mine since getting it and my only spending has been standard servicing and tyres. The brakes last forever due to the regenerative braking. If you get a good spec they are very comfortable. Your mixed driving will return 45mpg at worst in my experience. For the sake of 5mpg you'll save a lot over German diesel cars in repairs.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-is300h/27039058


    Never driven one so I’d have to test drive to consider it. Is the CVT or whatever that auto gear box is not a bit unpopular ?

    https://motoreu.com/lexus-is fuel economy looks as good as any on there!! Very attractive looking car.

    You find with the whole built in hybrid that toyota/Lexus have, it's economical whether it's short journeys or long journeys?


  • #80
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    AMKC wrote: »
    You won't be disappointed in the audi.

    Lol that is the funniest thing I have ever seen typed in here lol. Thanks for the laugh.

    You won't be disappointed in the Audi lol.

    Grow up and make a constructive post.


  • #81
    eggy81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭eggy81


    AMKC wrote: »
    You won't be disappointed in the audi.

    Lol that is the funniest thing I have ever seen typed in here lol. Thanks for the laugh.

    You won't be disappointed in the Audi lol.

    Bad experience with one?


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  • #82
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    Greenlights16 wrote: »
    Never driven one so I’d have to test drive to consider it. Is the CVT or whatever that auto gear box is not a bit unpopular ?

    https://motoreu.com/lexus-is fuel economy looks as good as any on there!! Very attractive looking car.

    You find with the whole built in hybrid that toyota/Lexus have, it's economical whether it's short journeys or long journeys?

    The CVT box is very different to a standard torque converter auto or a DSG gearbox in terms of driving experience. There are no gear steps in a CVT, it's a single speed gearbox whose torque is modulated by electric motors. When you accelerate hard the revs rise instantly to 4k or so until you reach the target speed and then the revs move back to normal. It's strange at first but you get used to it. I find the is300h lovely to drive. It's rear wheel drive, handles well, suspension is excellent, not too firm or soft. Power is 223bhp combined between engine and electric motor. The car is very fast from a standing start as the electric motor gives instant torque. Excellent acceleration from 50mph to 70mph also. These drive opposite to a turbo diesel. It doesn't feel fast but it is. The diesels feel faster than they are in most cases. I converted from turbo diesel to an is300h and I'll never buy another diesel.

    Economy wise, the is300h is best on long journeys at 60mph i.e. standard single carriageway roads. Also good for pottering on short journeys around town. It won't be as economical as a diesel at 75mph on the motorway. Maybe 10-15% less efficient on that type of trip. The big plus for this car for me has been reliability, Lexus are outstanding in that regard. Brake wear is negligible too.

    If you can get a luxury spec or above they are a lovely interior to be in.

    Final point is that the middle seat in the back is useless for adults. The transmission tunnel is large due to the car being RWD. You'll seat 4 adults comfortably but no more than that.


  • #83
    Greenlights16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Greenlights16


    Buddy Bubs wrote: »
    Think you're edging towards a6 so. You've come up with reasons to talk yourself out of getting the merc and BMW.

    You won't be disappointed in the audi, so if you like it go for it. At least you can focus the search if you do. Can be tough when you've 2 or more different cars in mind. I've been there, probably still am at the moment, very similar shortlist to yourself

    https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/best-saloon-cars

    A shortlist very like this i'd imagine BUddyBubs!!


  • #84
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    almostover wrote: »
    The car is very fast from a standing start as the electric motor gives instant torque.

    Zero to sixty in around 8.5 sec is pretty disappointing for a car with 225bhp though in fairness. A heavier car like the 520d with 190bhp is quicker which must be down to the autobox.


  • #85
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    Wailin wrote: »
    Zero to sixty in around 8.5 sec is pretty disappointing for a car with 225bhp though in fairness. A heavier car like the 520d with 190bhp is quicker which must be down to the autobox.
    .

    Interestingly I looked up the specs.

    IS300h
    219bhp
    300nm
    8.1s for 0-60
    1620kg
    65mpg average

    520d
    187bhp
    400nm
    7.5s for 0-60 for the auto
    1630kg
    65 mpg average

    I doubt anyone will be able to discern a 0.6s difference in 0-60 time in normal driving conditions. This difference is likely down to the greater torque from the diesel engine in the 520d rather than any gearbox differences. Both mpg averages are calculated pre-2017. And in my experience are meaningless. I get between 44 and 50mpg from my IS 300H in mixed driving conditions.

    Was just proposing the Lexus as an alternative to the usual German diesel suspects. Much of the OPs decision will come down to personal preference.


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