Harry and Meghan

ThunbergsAreGo · 09-03-2021 11:26AM

Cienciano wrote: »

They both seemed to have a good relationship with the queen. It's clear the problem is with Charles. I think it's fine not mentioning who said it, especially if it was his dad or brother.

Just like the daily mail, change the story to fit whatever you made up in your head in order to come to the conclusion that Meghan is bad.

Cant they all be bad people?

yourdeadwright · 09-03-2021 11:29AM

Remember the simpler times when Harry would play fancy dress as a Nazi

09-03-2021 11:32AM

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Wait ‘til he finds out that they killed his mother.

Wait 'til he finds out that Will Carling fathered the other bastard and makes Andrew the legitimate heir.

Corvo · 09-03-2021 11:47AM

I don't think its too outlandish to think that there may be racist elements within the Royal Family considering they are the head of an empire that slaughtered, enslaved and robbed people of different colour for hundreds of years.

bitofabind · 09-03-2021 11:51AM

You know what, I watched the interview and had this idea confirmed that I've been thinking for a while which is that Meghan is not likeable. I don't know if it's the "glib American" thing, or the way she consistently sounds like she's acting and it all just seems a bit over-the-top and disingenuous and as if she's embellishing and manipulating the truth for her own gain.

But my overall conclusion is that someone being dislikable is not an excuse for the campaign of abuse and mistreatment she's had by the RF and the press, it's just not justifiable under any means. And I think the RF fell into an extremely toxic pattern / arrangement with the UK press, where new incoming women were just expected to stiff-upper-lip it through because that's the price of being a part of this family.

Harry strikes me as someone who just went with the status quo because that was his lot in life, and more recently began to work through the childhood trauma of watching his mother go through it and die so horrifically and then had to live with the narrative of keep calm and carry on, rock up to the press events and smile and be grateful because that's the cost of it all. He speaks like it's all quite raw to him, which often happens when someone starts therapy, you have a bit of an awakening to the abuse you suffered decades ago and then meeting Meghan and watching "history repeat itself" was the final straw. It was his "out."

I know a few people who served with Harry and can vouch for him being very kind and genuine, very "normal". I think he's learned a tough lesson in all this, he thought family was family but has learned that Queen and Country always comes first and that's a tough pill to swallow.

On the balance of everything, good for him for doing what felt right in a world where that's never taken into account. Who knows if it will last with Meghan, there's a million reasons why it wouldn't, but I don't really think it's about that for him in the long run.

meeeeh · 09-03-2021 11:51AM

walshb wrote: »

Ok, let's give option 3

It was a nasty comment that was clearly offensive and racist...

Now, what was it, exactly, Markle? And who sad it, and when and where

See, throwing around these very dangerous accusations some casually without any evidence and substance is the issue here....

And Markle was allowed do it...

And people seem to want to fall for it..

It's not a court of law. It's an interview. They presented their side of the story the others can do the same.

yourdeadwright · 09-03-2021 11:52AM

seamus wrote: »

Harry is 36 though. He's not some kid who's leapt at the first chance of love. He is a grown man.

I don't disagree that the couple's shift from his world to hers is likely to cause him to rethink his sense of self, but we also have to avoid getting sucked into this narrative that she's a domineering megabitch and he's just a little lost puppy.

He's a grown man who's approaching the end of his prime. He is highly educated and spent many of his years being groomed for high-visibility public engagements and being taught to navigate the minefield of politics and media.

For anyone to think that he's just a naive boy easily led astray by a pretty woman, is ignoring reality.

The one thing I was thinking watching that interview is that if it was a front there were no plot holes. Every step of the story is consistent with what went on before. From her demonisation in the press, to thoughts of suicide, to Harry looking for a way to help, to their eventual quitting of the institution. Everything logically followed and made sense. There's no point where you're thinking, "Whoah that was an odd step to take", or "that makes no sense".

I have no doubt there is a sheen put on it. Everyone when presenting their story, will present their best side.

But there's no reason to doubt that the veracity of the main substance of it.

Age and education have nothing to do with a man been lead astray by a women, Would you dare make that statement other way around ?

You mention he is 36 , well educated but yet he seemed to be upset about being cut off financially by his family , The fella has no grasp of the real world does he , go make a living for yourself like any grown man with less education has to ,

ThewhiteJesus · 09-03-2021 11:53AM

i found her very hard to watch (Meg) and the part about mental illness i found very contrived, maybe it's because she's american because they are all like that to me, self obsessed, i found him very honest and i think i would have done similar in his situation. Good luck to them i say but there's no way back after this

09-03-2021 11:58AM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

i found her very hard to watch (Meg) and the part about mental illness i found very contrived, maybe it's because she's american because they are all like that to me, self obsessed, i found him very honest and i think i would have done similar in his situation. Good luck to them i say but there's no way back after this

She was targeted and villified by the media on a constant basis, I can see how that might leave a person depressed. On top of that everything internally happening.

Cienciano · 09-03-2021 12:00PM

walshb wrote: »

Ok, let's give option 3

It was a nasty comment that was clearly offensive and racist...

Now, what was it, exactly, Markle? And who sad it, and when and where

See, throwing around these very dangerous accusations some casually without any evidence and substance is the issue here....

And Markle was allowed do it...

And people seem to want to fall for it..

Funny that Harry said it too but it's Meghan that gets the blame. And the person who actually said it is fine. Strange world we live in, a horrible comment like that at a pregnant lady and the vitriol is aimed at her because she "has no evidence", as if she needs to go around with a hidden mic all the time

retro:electro · 09-03-2021 12:02PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I don't see why they shouldn't have their say? Given all that was said about them?

Because she said they wanted privacy and less intrusion? Because she shamed her father for doing the exact same thing she herself did last night, giving a trashy interview to the press. The hypocrisy of her sitting there last night saying she feels “betrayed” by her father for what he did to her, while she sits there and slates her husband’s family. It was the most clear display of someone having zero self awareness that I’ve ever witnessed.

Hurrache · 09-03-2021 12:04PM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

i found her very hard to watch (Meg) and the part about mental illness i found very contrived, maybe it's because she's american because they are all like that to me, self obsessed, i found him very honest and i think i would have done similar in his situation. Good luck to them i say but there's no way back after this

Contrived indeed. Sure the same press who drove people to suicide said they'd be more sensitive to what they do, and to nobody's surprise they've a massive hard on for her.

Who are we to say that someone's issue with their mental health is contrived?

Beechwoodspark · 09-03-2021 12:04PM

Lots of stuff Meghan said just didn’t ring true to me. Just seemed like a prepared script designed to get impact - encouraged on by the gobsh1te interviewing her

I don’t believe for a second that she didn’t realise what the monarchy etc was.

Fella on the radio yest saying when she first arrived in london she paid pr firms a lot of money to organise introductions into the royal circle - wouldn’t be surprised going on her general behaviour.

As for Harry he seems all over the place. Feel sorry for him in a way and I wouldn’t be a royalist whatsoever

yourdeadwright · 09-03-2021 12:04PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Funny that Harry said it too but it's Meghan that gets the blame. And the person who actually said it is fine. Strange world we live in, a horrible comment like that at a pregnant lady and the vitriol is aimed at her because she "has no evidence", as if she needs to go around with a hidden mic all the time

Harry said it was when they started dating .
Megan said it was when she was pregnant

Also Megan doesn't speak to her own father over an interview he did , But she is ok tarnish and entire family with an allegation of making a racist comment , without saying who actually said it

She should have said who said it , its a clear tactic on her and Harry's behalf to tarnish the whole family and keep the story of "Who done it " going ,

I'm not even pro Royal Family

Housefree · 09-03-2021 12:05PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Because she said they wanted privacy and less intrusion? Because she shamed her father for doing the exact same thing she herself did last night, giving a trashy interview to the press. The hypocrisy of her sitting there last night saying she feels “betrayed” by her father for what he did to her, while she sits there and slates her husband’s family. It was the most clear display of someone having zero self awareness that I’ve ever witnessed.

She's 100% aware, brand Markle is booming, she doesn't care about the poor sap beside her.

average_runner · 09-03-2021 12:14PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

So their PR worked a treat on you then.

Not really, I coudn't care less about the whole thing.

Considering the two don't seem to get along now, shows something big has happened. Things were fine till Meghan arrived, so something there kicked it all off.

Harry was always the more care free one, William is very like the father in ways, no balls to say no to tradition

Mysteriouschic · 09-03-2021 12:18PM

It's normal to wonder what colour the baby might be but the key word was concern. If he was too dark or tanned . Harry kept it vague sure whatever said could've worse since he wouldn't repeat it. Whoever said it he can't name as it's too damaging . I'm guessing Charles & Camila . I wouldn't think but Will who knows he'd be the most shocking .
Harry & Meghan wanted to set the record straight on all the press they couldn't defend whilst being in the royal family while and willing to lie to protect other family members aka Andrew and everyone.
Very sad her talking about her suicidal thoughts I don't think anybody should be questioning whether they believe her just because she may look okay on the outside . At least they are way from it all Harry wanted out anyway so he left with his family. I don't think Harry cares about getting to go back if ever hes found freedom he gotten away from living as a puppet following orders.

Deeec · 09-03-2021 12:19PM

Anyone that marries a member of the royal family doesnt just enter into a marriage, they also commence a full time role being a royal. That means you surrender your freedom and except that all eyes are on you constantly. You accept that you will never have a normal life. Meghan sounds like she wanted to be a princess but had no idea what she was taking on. All other Royal wives were really bred and educated for the role and have the right backgrounds. ( but still they find it a hard life ). Meghans background meant she was in no way suited to be a royal wife - from what I have seen of her family they are just a slight step above trailer trash.

JoChervil · 09-03-2021 12:23PM

In what world we live, if asking what feature kid will take after whom is causing worldwide sensation? Don't we all do it during pregnancy? Joking what kid can look like in different scenario. I remember doing it with my pregnant sisters. And we all had a good laugh. Would asking about expecting ginger hair cause the same offence? For me colour of skin or hair is just a feature.

The second thing is: what people say and what others hear are not always the same. It depends on sensitive points in the hearing person. Some people get very easily offended and read any remark into their complexes.

But I think this interview can have far reaching effect. In our PC world it can cause that Charles won't be a king. Is it possible to omit a person in line to the throne? Who would risk a racist king?

Leroy42 · 09-03-2021 12:23PM

average_runner wrote: »

Not really, I coudn't care less about the whole thing.

Considering the two don't seem to get along now, shows something big has happened. Things were fine till Meghan arrived, so something there kicked it all off.

Harry was always the more care free one, William is very like the father in ways, no balls to say no to tradition

Things were not fine. Hary was complaining for years before he even met her.

No doubt she has played a massive role in his decisions, but to simply put all the blame on her and airbrush out Harry's clear dislike of the entire thing is just wrong.

nomdeboardie · 09-03-2021 12:29PM

Corvo wrote: »

I don't think its too outlandish to think that there may be racist elements within the Royal Family considering they are the head of an empire that slaughtered, enslaved and robbed people of different colour for hundreds of years.

Perhaps the delightful ‘Princess Michael’ of blackamoor brooch fame?

Then again, the fact that he excluded Liz and Phil*, but didn’t mention his even closer relatives, Will and Charlie…
(*Granted, though, they would be first on the list for protection from suspicion given their presumed better relationship with him now and their age etc)

yourdeadwright · 09-03-2021 12:32PM

I'm sure Megan or her family or Friends said at some point i wonder if the baby will be ginger ?

Cienciano · 09-03-2021 12:35PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Harry said it was when they started dating .
Megan said it was when she was pregnant

Also Megan doesn't speak to her own father over an interview he did , But she is ok tarnish and entire family with an allegation of making a racist comment , without saying who actually said it

She should have said who said it , its a clear tactic on her and Harry's behalf to tarnish the whole family and keep the story of "Who done it " going ,

I'm not even pro Royal Family

Maybe it was said several times?

Think people are looking a bit too much into who said it, it could have very easilly been Harrys dad and he doesn't want to say that but wanted to let people know what is said within the palace. If he came out and said his dad said it, you'd be slating him for "throwing his father under the bus" and for publicly airing private comments. He can't win. If he sat back and said nothing and let the press destroy him he's a "drip", if he tries to get his side of the story out, he's a scumbag for doing interviews. If he steps back to a junior role in the palace and moves to a different country to get away from it, he's doing it for attention, if his money is cut off and he has to stand on his own two feet and earn his own money he's also scum for doing a podcast or signing with netflix.
It doesn't matter what he does, there's a certain amount of people that will just be outraged at whatever he does.

Lillyfae · 09-03-2021 12:37PM

Deeec wrote: »

Anyone that marries a member of the royal family doesnt just enter into a marriage, they also commence a full time role being a royal. That means you surrender your freedom and except that all eyes are on you constantly. You accept that you will never have a normal life. Meghan sounds like she wanted to be a princess but had no idea what she was taking on. All other Royal wives were really bred and educated for the role and have the right backgrounds. ( but still they find it a hard life ). Meghans background meant she was in no way suited to be a royal wife - from what I have seen of her family they are just a slight step above trailer trash.

Her Fathers family come across that way definitely but by all accounts she has no contact with them. I think her mother comes across really well- not "royalty" but certainly middle class, normal.

Neyite · 09-03-2021 12:39PM

They both seemed to come across well but I suspect that some of the fact-checking won't stand up to scrutiny - and that could do them damage in relation to the truthful stuff they said.

Archbishop marrying them secretly three days before? If there was any kind of ceremony it was not legally binding. That's easily proven by producing a marriage cert dated three days before the big day they had. So they might have had some sort of blessing or rehearsal but not a real, legal wedding. So that statement makes them sound either very thick or liars.

The skin colour - it was stated that it was more than once it was mentioned so their differing accounts could stand up. But by saying "kate is a lovely woman" and It's not Queen or Philip, who does that leave? Are they going to text Oprah every time the media pins it on someone to clarify until there's a last man (or woman) standing. The name of who it is will have to come out.

Security - if you leave your job, you don't get to keep the company car you needed for the job, you hand it back. Ditto with security. Now after what happened to Diana, it was a misstep by the Royals not to keep the security on unitil they made their own arrangements but on the other hand, the Royal protection officers are UK police officers seconded to Royal detail. They answer to Scotland Yard ultimately and taxpayer funded. So there would have been outrage that hundreds of thousands a year would be spent from the public purse for a family who emigrated and quit all and any public duties.

Title: Grandchildren get titles but not all get the same one. From Meghans pov she seems to think that Archie should have been titled prince based on his cousins getting it, but the rules on that were created in 1917 and amended in 2012 by the Queen to reflect that the direct heirs (William, George, Charlotte & Louis) get the title Prince/ Princess however any grandchild heirs become prince upon succession of their grandparent. Archie is a great grandchild of the monarch. When his grandfather takes the throne, he gets the title. A quick google explains it all and crucially, that it was all set out clearly long before Meghan had even met Harry. So to hint that it was somehow related to skin colour is not wise.

The palace investigating the bullying claims supposedly dates back to 2018 so if that's true, then this interview might have been a way to get ahead of the allegations and do some preemptive PR, rather than what I initially wondered which was that the palace staff strategically leaked it in response to hearing they were doing a tell-all with Oprah.

In any case, bridges were pretty much burned with the interview, so I hope that they make a success of things on their own.

Concretejungle · 09-03-2021 12:40PM

I really think that Meghan and Harry were so right to do this interview. Meghan had a terrible time with the press and nobody in the Royal family helped her, just like when Diana had her troubles, nobody helped her either. I am so proud of Harry for doing what he did, i.e. took his family out of that horrible situation.

As stated in the interview they are not looking for attention now and never wanted to do the Netflix deal but because Harry's security was whipped away from him he had to do something to be able to afford to have it again.

There will always be people who want to criticize everything but I see Harry and Meghan as being perfectly honest and really good people.

Why would they name and shame the person who commented on the colour of Archie's skin. They had the decency not to name that person and all they get for that is ridicule. I applaud them for that.

Had they been treated right they would still be part of the Royal family. It was about time someone spoke up for the way the Royals think they can treat people and especially family members. They also treated Diana very badly and look what happened to her.

I really like them and hope that they live happily ever after.

gozunda · 09-03-2021 12:46PM

Why in the name of God would anyone go on talk TV and air the families dirty laundry?

She reminds me of Ms Simpson crossed with Diana - and not in a good way

Going with what yer ones relationship with her father and siblings she has form. On him - he seems to lack any sense of self worth.

Even if she hated the inlaws with a passion - there has to be some fair wide streak of nastiness to broadcast to all and sundry that you reckon the MIL and family are all a bunch of x's. Either that or the ding of a cash register was a bigger factor than basic common sense.

Whats for sure - Harry will not be trusted by anyone in his family again and his kids most likely will not get to know their grandparents / uncles and aunts and relatives. Fairly sad tbh.

Quantum Erasure · 09-03-2021 12:47PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm sure Megan or her family or Friends said at some point i wonder if the baby will be ginger ?

That's grand, but if anyone on Harry's side wondered if the child would have black hair, that would be racist

kippy · 09-03-2021 12:49PM

Hurrache wrote: »

C'mon, it was all over the tabloids in the 80s, 90s and 00s. It was everywhere.

The royals have been around a lot longer than the 80's, 90's and 00's................
Unfortunately.

TomTomTim · 09-03-2021 12:50PM

Concretejungle wrote: »

I really think that Meghan and Harry were so right to do this interview. Meghan had a terrible time with the press and nobody in the Royal family helped her, just like when Diana had her troubles, nobody helped her either. I am so proud of Harry for doing what he did, i.e. took his family out of that horrible situation.

As stated in the interview they are not looking for attention now and never wanted to do the Netflix deal but because Harry's security was whipped away from him he had to do something to be able to afford to have it again.

There will always be people who want to criticize everything but I see Harry and Meghan as being perfectly honest and really good people.

Why would they name and shame the person who commented on the colour of Archie's skin. They had the decency not to name that person and all they get for that is ridicule. I applaud them for that.

Had they been treated right they would still be part of the Royal family. It was about time someone spoke up for the way the Royals think they can treat people and especially family members. They also treated Diana very badly and look what happened to her.

I really like them and hope that they live happily ever after.

Decency? By not naming someone they've left a cloud of "who did it" over the whole family, which leads to what you see here, people speculating about who the racist is. It's actually far worse than not naming someone in my view, as anyone could be guilty according to speculation.

Harry and Meghan

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