Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward

05-03-2021 06:24PM

ThePott wrote: »

Well here's the 5 film arc https://imgur.com/a/hmBpUZX
Tbh I don't think this would have worked, certainly doesn't make me feel like this would finally give us the Superman we know.

Read it for yourself, it's an interesting read at least. it doesn't really spoil anything imo anyway.

Thanks for that, interesting read. I think I'll go now and watch Requiem For A Dream just to lighten the mood a bit.

ThePott · 05-03-2021 06:26PM

The White Wolf wrote: »

I've seen that but the Superman we know has a broad definition. I mean that clip that was released yesterday and seeing Clark lift Bruce up with a nod of encouragement....that seems like the Clark I know and love as he's literally picking up those around him. I hope there's a decent bit of that in the SC because all signs point to it being Cavill's last appearance.

I dunno, I gotta disagree. The whole arc of Superman is focused almost entirely on Batman. He spends a lot of one of these films disattached from Lois before she gets killed and then becomes a murderous tyrant to Earth.

He does that for most of the next film. The only change to his character is because Batman makes a sacrifice, nothing Superman actively does. Then he becomes "Clark again" to raise Lois and Bruce Wayne's baby. How is this some inspirational hero?

I'm sorry I don't see how this 'redeems' Superman. Obviously a lot of it is execution but even still, I don't know how this is A) Like the Superman we all know or

An inspiring hopefuly character.

RobbingBandit · 05-03-2021 06:33PM

Flash said Lois is the key she is Supermans anchor to his humanity his identity as Clark Kent was Martha and Johnathan Kent and later Lois with two of the three gone and given Lois is ripped away in brutal fashion he will turn dark.

Batman has an ethical code everyone is redeemable no one need be killed this is what will cause a split in the superhero ranks.

The White Wolf · 05-03-2021 06:58PM

ThePott wrote: »

I dunno, I gotta disagree. The whole arc of Superman is focused almost entirely on Batman. He spends a lot of one of these films disattached from Lois before she gets killed and then becomes a murderous tyrant to Earth.

He does that for most of the next film. The only change to his character is because Batman makes a sacrifice, nothing Superman actively does. Then he becomes "Clark again" to raise Lois and Bruce Wayne's baby. How is this some inspirational hero?

I'm sorry I don't see how this 'redeems' Superman. Obviously a lot of it is execution but even still, I don't know how this is A) Like the Superman we all know or An inspiring hopefuly character.

I can only judge based on what I saw in the clip.

Look we all know Snyder went wild with his interpretation of the character but I'd have to question the legitimacy of that story outline you shared or at the very least question whether that was the locked in story direction. When Snyder spoke recently about Lois and Bruce being in a relationship he did say he had people advising on what might not work and this was one of the points.

I mean even the ending of MOS did not clearly suggest where the story was going to go with BvS so I find it hard to believe Snyder had a locked in 5 movie arc that wasn't going to evolve.

ThePott · 05-03-2021 07:32PM

The White Wolf wrote: »

Look we all know Snyder went wild with his interpretation of the character but I'd have to question the legitimacy of that story outline you shared or at the very least question whether that was the locked in story direction. When Snyder spoke recently about Lois and Bruce being in a relationship he did say he had people advising on what might not work and this was one of the points.

Seems weird to question the legitimacy. It's literally from a Zack Snyder exhibit with art by Jim Lee and got removed on Twiitter for copyright, it's legit. As I already said it's all in execution but this was what he wanted to do, obviously that would evolve depending on plenty of things but I don't know how you could look at this and say that this works IMO. Again was never suggesting this was set in stone, I follow film enough to know that is never the case, especially with a 5 film outline. I do think it shows that Zach was just not the right person to be handed the keys to the DCEU.

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Flash said Lois is the key she is Supermans anchor to his humanity his identity as Clark Kent was Martha and Johnathan Kent and later Lois with two of the three gone and given Lois is ripped away in brutal fashion he will turn dark.
Batman has an ethical code everyone is redeemable no one need be killed this is what will cause a split in the superhero ranks.

I'm sorry but that is just not right. Maybe in an Elseworlds story like Injustice but we're saying that the only reason Superman doesn't become a lunatic is Lois and Martha Kent. Superman is meant to forge a connection to Earth, it's his adopted homeworld. Jonathan and Martha are meant to instill in him a sense of humanity, of morality. I know they push the idea that "Lois is the Key" but that is just weak storytelling IMO. You're suggesting Superman's humanity only develops from a woman he met well into his life and only knew for 18 months. It only takes your hero losing that to turn into a villain?

I honestly don't understand your last point about Batman, that's not me having a go, I just don't see your meaning.

The White Wolf · 05-03-2021 08:53PM

So I found a more readable version of that storyboard...I'm rattled after reading it. Reminds me of how I felt when Snyder was hired for MOS with Nolan "Godfathering" as having someone Shepard Snyder seemed like an absolute necessity.

I'll give Snyder the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe this was just a fluid storyboard subject to change. I've no idea why he would go that route with Bruce and Lois other than finding some dumb reason to have Affleck and Adams sharing the screen for some "meaty" moments.

Penn · 05-03-2021 09:49PM

The White Wolf wrote: »

So I found a more readable version of that storyboard...I'm rattled after reading it. Reminds me of how I felt when Snyder was hired for MOS with Nolan "Godfathering" as having someone Shepard Snyder seemed like an absolute necessity.

I'll give Snyder the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe this was just a fluid storyboard subject to change. I've no idea why he would go that route with Bruce and Lois other than finding some dumb reason to have Affleck and Adams sharing the screen for some "meaty" moments.

Maybe in Snyder's version, Lois' father was also called Thomas.

RobbingBandit · 05-03-2021 11:38PM

ThePott wrote: »

Seems weird to question the legitimacy. It's literally from a Zack Snyder exhibit with art by Jim Lee and got removed on Twiitter for copyright, it's legit. As I already said it's all in execution but this was what he wanted to do, obviously that would evolve depending on plenty of things but I don't know how you could look at this and say that this works IMO. Again was never suggesting this was set in stone, I follow film enough to know that is never the case, especially with a 5 film outline. I do think it shows that Zach was just not the right person to be handed the keys to the DCEU.

I'm sorry but that is just not right. Maybe in an Elseworlds story like Injustice but we're saying that the only reason Superman doesn't become a lunatic is Lois and Martha Kent. Superman is meant to forge a connection to Earth, it's his adopted homeworld. Jonathan and Martha are meant to instill in him a sense of humanity, of morality. I know they push the idea that "Lois is the Key" but that is just weak storytelling IMO. You're suggesting Superman's humanity only develops from a woman he met well into his life and only knew for 18 months. It only takes your hero losing that to turn into a villain?

I honestly don't understand your last point about Batman, that's not me having a go, I just don't see your meaning.

Batman doesn't kill is my point not even The Joker or Joe Chill.

I think the dystopian future borrows a lot from Injustice we will have to see just how much.

The people in Clark's life are what keeps him from going full on take them away and he has nothing but rage.

ThePott · 06-03-2021 12:02AM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Batman doesn't kill is my point not even The Joker or Joe Chill.

I think the dystopian future borrows a lot from Injustice we will have to see just how much.

The people in Clark's life are what keeps him from going full on take them away and he has nothing but rage.

Oh yeah I agree, that's another issue with the Snyderverse in my opinion. Even if I do think it has been a tad overblown. Injustice again works as a justification for heroes to fight each other, to build a universe on? Not so much.

I just don't agree with that idea of Superman either in his general characterisation or if that is how Snyder views the character. Clark Kent is a mild mannered man with strong morals, he doesn't only do good because of the people he cares about, by that logic why would he be a hero for anyone but them? He's not a raged filled psychopath on the edge of becoming a tyrant if he loses his old ones. Again works for Injustice but for a mainline Superhero that's pivotal to your universe, it just doesn't.

ItsHoggie · 06-03-2021 06:47PM

Anyone know what platform this will release on.

senordingdong · 06-03-2021 07:27PM

ItsHoggie wrote: »

Anyone know what platform this will release on.

Sky I presume. They are hbos partner in UK market

ThePott · 06-03-2021 07:38PM

ItsHoggie wrote: »

Anyone know what platform this will release on.

I was just thinking this, very odd it hasn't been announced yet. Wonder how quickly it will go up after it is on HBO Max, I know they said same day but I wonder.

Agent Coulson · 07-03-2021 08:33PM

I'd say it will go up on iTunes, Google Play, Sky Store and any other of the pay ones.

ThePott · 07-03-2021 10:31PM

I would assume that too just surprised they haven't been more forthcoming, for advertising if nothing else.

Lithium93_ · 08-03-2021 05:28AM

The 1 minute character teasers that Snyder's been releasing via Twitter the last couple of days, definitely have my interest. The one for The Flash might just be my favourite.

ManOfMystery · 08-03-2021 09:40AM

Lot of Darkseid in this one. Put it on high-res!

The White Wolf · 08-03-2021 06:25PM

His voice sounds A1, just how I imagined it to be.

Full_Circle_81 · 08-03-2021 07:20PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd say it will go up on iTunes, Google Play, Sky Store and any other of the pay ones.

I'm kind of hoping that's the case, but wonder how long we'll have to wait before we'll get it on these shores......

IncognitoMan · 09-03-2021 12:17AM

So HBO accidently uploaded The Snyder Cut instead of Tom & Jerry earlier. The film was up for over an hour :eek:

https://twitter.com/TheRyanParker/status/1369058573632729097

The Phantom Pain · 09-03-2021 09:04AM

IncognitoMan wrote: »

So HBO accidently uploaded The Snyder Cut instead of Tom & Jerry earlier. The film was up for over an hour :eek:

https://twitter.com/TheRyanParker/status/1369058573632729097

"Accidentally"

The White Wolf · 09-03-2021 09:17AM

Someone needs to be fired over that. Might seem harsh but I'm sure a lot goes into such an "accident" and it's sticking the finger up at what HBO Max are trying to do for 2021.

Does beg the question now will the release be moved up.

pixelburp · 09-03-2021 09:31AM

Presumably, it wasn't up long enough for hobbying swashbucklers to nab it; but yeah, for sure someone's getting fired for that action, be it a genuine blunder or sabotage. Honestly, I'd be quicker to think the former as working in the IT sector it can be too easy to pick the wrong package and click "deploy"

Lithium93_ · 09-03-2021 10:23AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Presumably, it wasn't up long enough for hobbying swashbucklers to nab it; but yeah, for sure someone's getting fired for that action, be it a genuine blunder or sabotage. Honestly, I'd be quicker to think the former as working in the IT sector it can be too easy to pick the wrong package and click "deploy"

Was on the platform for an hour, before someone realized, according to the wrap....

https://www.thewrap.com/zack-snyders-justice-league-accidentally-leaks-on-hbo-max/

CastorTroy · 09-03-2021 10:38AM

So multiple people admitted to being so keen to watch Tom & Jerry on a Monday morning that they got it as soon as it went up?

CramCycle · 09-03-2021 11:58AM

I'm waiting for the traumatised kids, who were being babysat by T&J, to come out of the woodwork.

IncognitoMan · 09-03-2021 12:00PM

It's just mad that it would slip through. You'd think they would have a couple of eyes on anything that is being uploaded to make sure.

ManOfMystery · 09-03-2021 01:35PM

Twitterati already speculating WB leaked it lol

pixelburp · 09-03-2021 01:39PM

Hanlon's Razor must always apply in these scenarios, I doubt wb need more publicity than justice league has already enjoyed

Drumpot · 09-03-2021 01:39PM

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Twitterati already speculating WB leaked it lol

I suppose the question I would be wondering is whether or not this is a bad thing. If there was a backlash because the footage was unsuitable for kids watching Tom and Jerry , maybe it could be perceived as a bad gaff.

But if there is little to nothing negative , then this is only been a positive because it’s generated relatively free publicity.

I’m so glad I never got into Twitter and other media platforms. There’s enough dumb crazy nonsense on boards to fill that void for me. :pac:

ManOfMystery · 09-03-2021 03:02PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I suppose the question I would be wondering is whether or not this is a bad thing. If there was a backlash because the footage was unsuitable for kids watching Tom and Jerry , maybe it could be perceived as a bad gaff.

But if there is little to nothing negative , then this is only been a positive because it’s generated relatively free publicity.

I’m so glad I never got into Twitter and other media platforms. There’s enough dumb crazy nonsense on boards to fill that void for me. :pac:

I don't believe they leaked it personally, but so far the reaction has been very mixed - not so much about the quality of the film itself, the focus all seems to be on poor CGi. But it remains to be seen if this was the finished product leaked or an early screener.

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