Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

blanch152 · 03-03-2021 12:31AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

Originally Posted by blanch152 View Post
It is a simple matter to me. The Taoiseach has the responsibility of deciding what is best.

Do you think it would be OK for any Taoiseach to give a copy of a document marked CONFIDENTIAL to his/her buddy.

I just gave you an example of where confidential documents are shared with those not party to an agreement!!!!!!!

Whether or not the person the document being shared with is a buddy or not is immaterial. What matters is whether there is a public policy reason for the person to receive the document.

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:32AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is simple enough as it is.

So simple you can spell it out for me so. Thanks

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:32AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

I think he was wrong and I have no problem saying it, Varadkar knows he was wrong (and admitted it eventually), why can't you say you think (and it's only your opinion) whether he was right or wrong. There won't be repercussions for you. What do you think.

Did you respond to the wrong post?

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:34AM

Originally Posted by blanch152 View Post
It is a simple matter to me. The Taoiseach has the responsibility of deciding what is best.

blanch152 wrote: »

I just gave you an example of where confidential documents are shared with those not party to an agreement!!!!!!!

Whether or not the person the document being shared with is a buddy or not is immaterial. What matters is whether there is a public policy reason for the person to receive the document.

Yea but do you think it's OK for any Taoiseach to give a copy of a document marked CONFIDENTIAL to his/her buddy, you seem to think it is but are reluctant to confirm it

ohnonotgmail · 03-03-2021 12:35AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So simple you can spell it out for me so. Thanks

would you like it in words of one syllable? do you really need somebody to explain basic english to you? I can send you links to introductory english classes if you like?

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:36AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Did you respond to the wrong post?

No, you hadn't come back to me so it was the handiest way of re-asking the question.

I think he was wrong and I have no problem saying it, Varadkar knows he was wrong (and admitted it eventually), why can't you say you think (and it's only your opinion) whether he was right or wrong. There won't be repercussions for you. What do you think.

smurgen · 03-03-2021 12:36AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You seem very confused, what scenario for the "other side" are you on about here where I saw it as black and white? I think you must have me confused with someone else. I only have one account on here

If a Sinn Fein Taoiseach leaked a confidential document in the manner Leo Varadkar did to whomever they seen fit would you think it to be an okay thing to do?

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:39AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

No, you hadn't come back to me so it was the handiest way of re-asking the question.

I think he was wrong and I have no problem saying it, Varadkar knows he was wrong (and admitted it eventually), why can't you say you think (and it's only your opinion) whether he was right or wrong. There won't be repercussions for you. What do you think.

I answered it for you a page or two back already. You didn't like my answer, and thats fine, but I don't see the point in asking me again and again?

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:41AM

smurgen wrote: »

If a Sinn Fein Taoiseach leaked a confidential document in the manner Leo Varadkar did to whomever they seen fit would you think it to be an okay thing to do?

It depends on the situation. If you put McDonald in Varadkar's shoes for this exact same scenario then yes absolutely. It depends on the scenario and the facts at hand. I look at the facts, not the person.

Can you answer my question though as to what you are referring to with the black or white remark?

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:42AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I answered it for you a page or two back already. You didn't like my answer, and thats fine, but I don't see the point in asking me again and again?

Apologies if you did answer it already, I may have missed it, can you point me to it please.

I think he was wrong and I have no problem saying it, Varadkar knows he was wrong (and admitted it eventually), why can't you say you think (and it's only your opinion) whether he was right or wrong. There won't be repercussions for you. What do you think.

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:43AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you like it in words of one syllable? do you really need somebody to explain basic english to you? I can send you links to introductory english classes if you like?

Yes. Please explain the basic English to me and send me some links to introductory classes.

Thanks a million!

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:44AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

Apologies if you did answer it already, I may have missed it, can you point me to it please.

Sure. It is one or two pages back in this thread.

You are welcome.

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:45AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

If you put McDonald in Varadkar's shoes for this exact same scenario then yes absolutely. It depends on the scenario and the facts at hand

So it's OK to leak some documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, but not OK to leak other documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, is that what you are saying

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:46AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Sure. It is one or two pages back in this thread.

You are welcome.

To save me the search, can you please reply again, and it's only a simple yes or no

I think he was wrong and I have no problem saying it, Varadkar knows he was wrong (and admitted it eventually), why can't you say you think (and it's only your opinion) whether he was right or wrong. There won't be repercussions for you. What do you think.

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:47AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

To save me the search, can you please reply again, and it's only a simple yes or no

I think he was wrong and I have no problem saying it, Varadkar knows he was wrong (and admitted it eventually), why can't you say you think (and it's only your opinion) whether he was right or wrong. There won't be repercussions for you. What do you think.

I'm sure you will manage just fine with the search. As I answered at the time, it is not a binary yes or no answer.

James Brown · 03-03-2021 12:48AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

None of the above shows me "questioning the reported facts" as you had claimed James. So you found nothing to back up your statement is the conclusion essentially?

I don't think you read my post it literally shows you questioning the facts from day one to present day.
Look you can play away, no skin off my nose. I've pointed it out and we all know the facts.
You seem to be getting testy with folk. Maybe we'll leave it.

smurgen · 03-03-2021 12:49AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

It depends on the situation. If you put McDonald in Varadkar's shoes for this exact same scenario then yes absolutely. It depends on the scenario and the facts at hand. I look at the facts, not the person.

Can you answer my question though as to what you are referring to with the black or white remark?

Republicans = bad. Everyone else = good. Especially during the troubles. It's black and white. For you right? No nuanced necessary?

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:50AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm sure you will manage just fine with the search. As I answered at the time, it is not a binary yes or no answer.

Has the edict issued to be careful about answering any questions

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:52AM

James Brown wrote: »

I don't think you read my post it literally shows you questioning the facts from day one to present day.
Look you can play away, no skin off my nose. I've pointed it out and we all know the facts.

Which one of those has me questioning the confirmed facts? One of them quotes you chose even has me questioning a poster for suggesting MOT was Varadkars bit on the side. How is that questioning the facts exactly?

Unless you think that is factual?

How you think you have backed up your original point with those quotes is beyond me. Truly.

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 12:55AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

If you put McDonald in Varadkar's shoes for this exact same scenario then yes absolutely. It depends on the scenario and the facts at hand

So it's OK to leak some documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, but not OK to leak other documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, is that what you are saying

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:55AM

smurgen wrote: »

Republicans = bad. Everyone else = good. Especially during the troubles. It's black and white. For you right? No nuanced necessary?

Don't believe I have ever once posted about the troubles on boards mate. Clearly you are confused and have mixed me up with someone else.

You've done this before too by claiming I was "up in arms" about something, and it turned out I hadn't posted about it at all.

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 12:58AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

Has the edict issued to be careful about answering any questions

As I said, I answered the question for you. I'm sorry I can't give you a binary answer to a nuanced situation, but its the best I can do.

Whatisthisnow · 03-03-2021 01:58AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

As I said, I answered the question for you. I'm sorry I can't give you a binary answer to a nuanced situation, but its the best I can do.

So is it ok to leak some documents but not others

Gremlinertia · 03-03-2021 02:03AM

Cute Hoor, copying and pasting the same post(s) is hardly discussion, in fact it's been plain trolling the last page or two. Back to discussion please

UDAWINNER · 03-03-2021 02:24AM

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1366659651232817153

At least Leo is learning something new:D

James Brown · 03-03-2021 02:37AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Which one of those has me questioning the confirmed facts? ....

Okay so;

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it was the actual agreement that was shared, not a negotiation document? Perhaps I am remembering wrong, but I am almost certain it was the draft of the actual GP agreement itself.

'Pretty sure' code for wishful thinking or guessing? Question the printed fact it was a confidential negotiation document.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

....
The only reason there is a story here is because the NAGP were never given official status to represent GPs, despite the GPs in their membership being double that of the IMO. The real story here is why NAGP werent given a seat at the table for the earlier negotiations, not why were they given a copy once it was done.

Here you are suggesting the story is not the story.

Your first post on the thread, questioning the reported facts.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm a bit confused here. Does that tweet by the village magazine show the extent of their evidence for the story? If so, then I can understand why none of the mainstream news published it.

Whether it's true or not, there is nothing in those screenshots that points to any wrongdoing. I hope there is some actual damning evidence in the article itself? Cos otherwise they took a major legal risk here.

So yeah, questioning the facts since day one. The casual observer shtick is played out.

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 08:55AM

James Brown wrote: »

Okay so;

'Pretty sure' code for wishful thinking or guessing? Question the printed fact it was a confidential negotiation document.

Here you are suggesting the story is not the story.

Your first post on the thread, questioning the reported facts.

So yeah, questioning the facts since day one. The casual observer shtick is played out.

Once again, none of the above is "questioning the facts" and repeating that it is over and over isn't going to make it true.

Must have been pretty disappointing to dig through all my old posts in this thread to try and prove a point, and the best you could come up with were those ones

Cute Hoor · 03-03-2021 10:02AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I didn't report any of your trolling posts Cute Hoor, just to clarify that. The Mod must have spotted them himself. Happy to accept your apology for the above post before you scuttle off.

You are a tad over sensitive, to the point of trolling (must look up what it means), where did I say that you had gone running to mamma. I'm not going to be able to respond to any more posts as I will probably get banned for doing so.

Bubbaclaus · 03-03-2021 10:07AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

You are a tad over sensitive, to the point of trolling (must look up what it means), where did I say that you had gone running to mamma. I'm not going to be able to respond to any more posts as I will probably get banned for doing so.

Given you are hung up about leaving me to "the nuanced binary posting" in your post, it was clearly directed at me.

It is also against the rules to accuse another poster of trolling, as you have just done. Report me if you feel like I am trolling.

Nobotty · 03-03-2021 10:09AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

So it's OK to leak some documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, but not OK to leak other documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, is that what you are saying

Vradakar briefs his parliamentary party on government positions not yet announced every week and 5 mins later its in a journalists tweet or live on tbe news at 9
Theres nothing outragrous anymore
Full Documents that shouldnt be are shared right left and centre all over the shop in work places and always have been,its the lazy way to get things done
I've done it,if Im to be honest
In the 21st century,youd have to be thinking twice about that though because if an enemy in a workplace gets their hands on it,trouble can be created
Once the document leaves your hands,its left your control
That appears to be whats gone on here
Its provided fodder in the dáil twice for a big furore with a positive that its shone a light on what shouldnt be done
2 things wont come out of this I expect,proceedings or Vradakar not being Taoiseach again
Two things that will annoy a lot of people
But thats life and thats democracy IMO
I'm not bitter

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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