Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward

ThePott · 22-02-2021 04:30PM

Vanity Fair just did an in-depth article on the Snyder Cut.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/02/the-true-story-of-justice-league-snyder-cut?utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=twitter&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_brand=vf

People are only talking about one thing though
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mikhail · 22-02-2021 05:11PM

Seriously? Leto is ... nothing. I can't even summon dislike for the character, he was so pathetically bad in Suicide Squad.

senordingdong · 22-02-2021 05:25PM

mikhail wrote: »

Seriously? Leto is ... nothing. I can't even summon dislike for the character, he was so pathetically bad in Suicide Squad.

But wasn't he butchered by the studios too?
Maybe the Ayercut will fix him.

And was he supposed to feature in a Batfleck movie too?

dublinman1990 · 22-02-2021 05:40PM

IGN.com is having an online fan festival showing the behind the scenes process of this movie beginning on at 10am PT on the 27th of February.

FunLover18 · 22-02-2021 05:55PM

senordingdong wrote: »

But wasn't he butchered by the studios too?
Maybe the Ayercut will fix him.

And was he supposed to feature in a Batfleck movie too?

The movie was butchered, his Joker was just ****.

Lithium93_ · 22-02-2021 06:04PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

The movie was butchered, his Joker was just ****.

The trailers (expertly edited I'll add) made it out to be a good movie. Boy was I ****ing disappointed after wasting money to see it in the cinema.

pixelburp · 22-02-2021 06:20PM

mikhail wrote: »

Seriously? Leto is ... nothing. I can't even summon dislike for the character, he was so pathetically bad in Suicide Squad.

Jared Leto is a terrible, overwrought actor whose stature defies sense sometimes. Every time I see him, I'm reminded of Lawrence Olivier's snark at Dustin Hoffman's method, asking if he "had simply tried acting?". Leto isn't even Method IMO, at least Day-Lewis backed up the intensity with performances to match. Leto ... I dunno. Tries too hard. Comes out the other side into these performances that make you go "hey, that's acting there". Having almost zero charisma also doesn't help.

Lithium93_ · 22-02-2021 06:37PM

I find, or found Jared Leto more tolerable as front-man/guitar player for Thirty Seconds To Mars, but it's clear there's no plans on the horizon for them reforming or coming back from hiatus.

Though he was actually alright in Lord Of War alongside Nicolas Cage, and in Dallas Buyers Club with Matthew McConaughey.

The White Wolf · 22-02-2021 08:11PM

I think after that stunt today Snyder has become self aware. Some fine trolling at this point.

FunLover18 · 22-02-2021 08:23PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

The trailers (expertly edited I'll add) made it out to be a good movie. Boy was I ****ing disappointed after wasting money to see it in the cinema.

The story is that the reaction to the trailer was so positive that WB hired the company that cut the trailer to cut the whole movie.

The Phantom Pain · 23-02-2021 02:39AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Can you send the link please? Don't put words in my mouth and turn this into some insinuation about what I do or don't believe. As far as I've seen Fisher hadn't shared any detail to the same degree of Carpenter, for instance. Why would Buffy stars confirm his experience? Beyond eyebrow waggling that "they know!!". If you're saying he has, then please share instead of making cheap shots

No. You do your own homework. It's googleable if you genuinely wanted to know.
The problem with the Fisher detractors is that no matter what Fisher says or does it's never enough. You are committed to not believing him and it's obvious.

CramCycle · 23-02-2021 08:21AM

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

No. You do your own homework. It's googleable if you genuinely wanted to know.
The problem with the Fisher detractors is that no matter what Fisher says or does it's never enough. You are committed to not believing him and it's obvious.

I am not sure where you got that.
I've googled it. Ray has said that Joss was “gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable”. I believe him mainly because of other reports, we can see Joss has form for this but Ray really has not given any details that I can find. There are news outlets reaching about what it might be, but I can't find actual statements bar that one. Does he need too, not at all unless the legal process is over, at which point he should either come forward and disclose or state a non disclosure is in place or even just state he doesn't want to talk about it, which is also fine.

The Phantom Pain · 23-02-2021 08:29AM

That Vanity Fair article was really revealing.
It also proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Snyder cut is going to be absolutely awful and we're going to see what made WB so worried that they hired another director at the last minute and made an even bigger mess.

kerplun k · 23-02-2021 08:44AM

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

No. You do your own homework. It's googleable if you genuinely wanted to know.
The problem with the Fisher detractors is that no matter what Fisher says or does it's never enough. You are committed to not believing him and it's obvious.

Ah here. No one said anything about not believing him. Most are just genuinely curious about what went down and want to know some specifics. Fisher has been very vague with his comments.

pixelburp · 23-02-2021 08:59AM

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

No. You do your own homework. It's googleable if you genuinely wanted to know.
The problem with the Fisher detractors is that no matter what Fisher says or does it's never enough. You are committed to not believing him and it's obvious.

So as I thought you just want to have a go. Think it was a reasonable, friendly request but instead you decide to double down. Your self righteousness is obvious. Nothing I've read has been on the level of Carpenter or Trachtenberg. I'd like to believe him but find his lack of detail frustrating - lack of detail others here have noted so why not badger them too? - to the point I wonder just how bad what was done, was done. The vaguery is just weird, but I don't think whether I believe him or not really matters to the world, except to you obviously, cos you wanna make it a Thing and make use of some high horsery? Take a breath and quit the antagonism

pixelburp · 23-02-2021 09:47AM

FunLover18 wrote: »

The story is that the reaction to the trailer was so positive that WB hired the company that cut the trailer to cut the whole movie.

Wasn't that confirmed? Seems like it was spoken about as something that definitely happened, that after the trailer WB got the marketing company to edit the film. To hilarious results.

If nothing else, Suicide Squad is probably now a useful Case Study for film editing classes everywhere. As a cautionary tale that is ...

The White Wolf · 23-02-2021 10:44AM

Very good article beyond the headline grabbing of Jesus Joker.

Snyder talked about his daughter's death and the effect it had on him and his wife. She shared her father's love for the Gods and Aliens among us approach he took to the DC characters. The film will end with an alternate version of Hallelujah as tribute to her (her favourite song apparently).

He had a near 4 hour cut on his laptop that he would show to friends but with no score, effects etc.....Warner initially asked him to release this with no further work or money put it but Snyder rejected this. He waived any fee or salary and worked for free in order to ensure he had a strongest negotiating position possible as well as creative freedom.

Christopher Nolan and Deborah Snyder watched the theatrical together for Zack so he wouldn't have to. Nolan seems to be a good friend of the Snyders.

Finally Snyder acknowledged the more toxic members of the fandom and condemned it, saying in no way would he condone abuse. Given this bloke lost his daughter to suicide I think we can take his word for it on that.

Lithium93_ · 23-02-2021 11:02AM

The anonymous studio executive certainly didn't mince words with this. Then again anyone who saw the theatrical cut was probably thinking the same thing anyways.

When we got to see what Joss actually did, it was stupefying. The robber on the rooftop—so goofy and awful. The Russian family—so useless and pointless. Everyone knew it. It was so awkward because nobody wanted to admit what a piece of **** it was.”

johnny_ultimate · 23-02-2021 11:10AM

I have no doubt Joss Whedon made some bad creative decisions, but having seen several ‘pure’ Zack Snyder films before the man is more than capable of making his own stupefying, goofy and awful creative decisions.

The Phantom Pain · 23-02-2021 11:46AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Think it was a reasonable, friendly request.

pixelburp wrote: »

If you're saying he has, then please share instead of making cheap shots

:rolleyes:

As for the rest, I'm not even going to bother waste my time with. You're disingenuous and I see through you. Like I said, you have it in for Ray Fisher and have not wanted to believe him from day 1. The dude could make an entire book about Whedon's treatment of him and you'd still be looking for holes with a magnifying glass. Get stuffed.

CramCycle · 23-02-2021 11:56AM

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

:rolleyes:

As for the rest, I'm not even going to bother waste my time with. You're disingenuous and I see through you. Like I said, you have it in for Ray Fisher and have not wanted to believe him from day 1. The dude could make an entire book about Whedon's treatment of him and you'd still be looking for holes with a magnifying glass. Get stuffed.

You could literally post a link, you made the claim it has been well documented but haven't given anything bar that one article I quoted above. I am pretty sure it is posted about across multiple forums that while no one doubts Whedon was a pr1ck, there is very little info in this case about what specifically made him a pr1ck this time around.
Repeatedly some posters are asking for a link about what you claim is well documented. I simply can't find it other than a quote saying Joss was an unprofessional and abusive pr1ck but that could cover almost anything.
I 100% believe that, leopards don't change their spots as the saying goes, particularly when he kept getting gigs in spite of his behaviour. If you have more info that would be interesting instead of this weird attack on another poster just asking for details you say exist.

23-02-2021 12:02PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I have no doubt Joss Whedon made some bad creative decisions, but having seen several ‘pure’ Zack Snyder films before the man is more than capable of making his own stupefying, goofy and awful creative decisions.

Yes,I really can't see this being rescued as his existing dc work is pretty awful in own right.

mikhail · 23-02-2021 12:20PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I have no doubt Joss Whedon made some bad creative decisions, but having seen several ‘pure’ Zack Snyder films before the man is more than capable of making his own stupefying, goofy and awful creative decisions.

I'm also willing to cut some slack for the creative decisions someone parachuted in to finish someone else's blockbuster with no time to prep.

The Phantom Pain · 23-02-2021 12:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes,I really can't see this being rescued as his existing dc work is pretty awful in own right.

People keep saying WB ruined "Josstice League" but what they seem to miss is that in order for WB to arrive at a conclusion where they thought they would need to reshoot the entire film it would mean the original film... was bad.
The original reports IIRC were that Snyder's JL was "unwatchable". If I was WB I would be sh*tting myself right now knowing that a second bad JL is on the way and will only further damage the DC brand.

Penn · 23-02-2021 12:24PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

The anonymous studio executive certainly didn't mince words with this. Then again anyone who saw the theatrical cut was probably thinking the same thing anyways.

In fairness, seems like Whedon also agreed

Very much seems like the theatrical cut was such a mix of Snyder, Whedon and the studio that it was never going to be anything other than a sh*tshow.

23-02-2021 12:35PM

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

People keep saying WB ruined "Josstice League" but what they seem to miss is that in order for WB to arrive at a conclusion where they thought they would need to reshoot the entire film it would mean the original film... was bad.
The original reports IIRC were that Snyder's JL was "unwatchable". If I was WB I would be sh*tting myself right now knowing that a second bad JL is on the way and will only further damage the DC brand.

Tbh, I can't see it doing huge damage. It'll just be a director's cut that particularly devout fans are gonna watch.

pixelburp · 23-02-2021 12:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbh, I can't see it doing huge damage. It'll just be a director's cut that particularly devout fans are gonna watch.

In a market starved of blockbusters, I suspect this is going to do gangbusters; WW84 could hardly be called a critical success, yet according to WB/HBO's own figures it pulled amazing numbers. I suspect this will do the same: not least because of the nature of the production, and the rather unprecedented case of a director getting to return and "finish" the film how he sees fit.

The only equivalent I can think of immediately is the Donner Cut of Superman II but even then, IIRC that didn't get such a wide, highly publicised release? Aside from also being far after the original film's theatrical release.

Tony EH · 23-02-2021 12:56PM

^
It'll certainly get a viewership by virtue of the fact that it's the only movie type movie that's coming out in a sea of shot on digital dross that's been the feature of Covid movie fair.

But I reckon there might be a lot of people that will end up very disappointed with this when it turns out not to be the earth shattering event some people have built up in their heads.

23-02-2021 01:05PM

pixelburp wrote: »

In a market starved of blockbusters, I suspect this is going to do gangbusters; WW84 could hardly be called a critical success, yet according to WB/HBO's own figures it pulling amazing numbers. I suspect this will do the same: not least because of the nature of the production, and the rather unprecedented case of a director getting to return and "finish" the film how he sees fit.

The only equivalent I can think of immediately is the Donner Cut of Superman II but even then, IIRC that didn't get such a wide, highly publicised release? Aside from also being far after the original film's theatrical release.

4 hours is gonna put a lot of people off I suspect. And if the initial response is bad then it could flounder after that.

FunLover18 · 23-02-2021 01:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

4 hours is gonna put a lot of people off I suspect. And if the initial response is bad then it could flounder after that.

This! Plus the fact that the Whedon cut was not even close to being a success, I think the people who will watch this will be the devout Snyder fans and the film buffs who are interested in the story behind it. Neither are very large demographics.

EDIT: I also feel Wandavision is filling the superhero hole in most people's lives at the moment.

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Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward